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Original post by Muttley79
My students breeze through A level too ... at GCSE you are better looking at enrichment.
With all due respect everyones opinions are different and if you have this sort of mentality that you are right then leave the thread because you are not even suggesting you are stating. Stop starting arguments. No one cares about your status whether your a teacher or not. Be respectful. Thank you
Original post by Muttley79
To be fair you really don't know you wouldn't have breezed through it anyway - you have nothing to compare it with.
My school wouldn’t permit me to do FM A-Level without an A in the FSMQ
Original post by AnonymousTaken
With all due respect everyones opinions are different and if you have this sort of mentality that you are right then leave the thread because you are not even suggesting you are stating. Stop starting arguments. No one cares about your status whether your a teacher or not. Be respectful. Thank you
It's not MY opinion it's the opinion of many Mathematics departments.
The proof is in our results and those of schools who do the same -
Why not listen to others if you are so sure you are right!!
Original post by sdfj
My school wouldn’t permit me to do FM A-Level without an A in the FSMQ
That's crazy - what sort of school requires that sort of result? GCSE grades 8/9 are our requirement
Original post by Muttley79
It's not MY opinion it's the opinion of many Mathematics departments.
The proof is in our results and those of schools who do the same -
Why not listen to others if you are so sure you are right!!
The proof is in our results and those of schools who do the same -
Why not listen to others if you are so sure you are right!!
It’s still an opinion, and Im sure that the OP and sdfj join me in respecting that. However, we also have our opinions and all schools have a different way of organising things so its nice to have diversity of opinions and reflection on different approaches without any of them being the one correct opinion or the only way which schools should do things.
Original post by Muttley79
That's crazy - what sort of school requires that sort of result? GCSE grades 8/9 are our requirement
A school that wants their students to get the best grades - and get into the best unis as we’re discriminated against significantly.
Original post by DerDracologe
It’s still an opinion, and Im sure that the OP and sdfj join me in respecting that. However, we also have our opinions and all schools have a different way of organising things so its nice to have diversity of opinions and reflection on different approaches without any of them being the one correct opinion or the only way which schools should do things.
Doing additional subjects in Year 11 puts unnecessary pressure on students who should be aiming for top grades across the board not just in Maths. Often schools lie about the usefulness of Level 2 FMaths and say it's needed to study A level.
Also schools can't make you do these additional subjects - they often don't admit that parents have to approve GCSE entries!
Original post by Muttley79
It's not MY opinion it's the opinion of many Mathematics departments.
The proof is in our results and those of schools who do the same -
Why not listen to others if you are so sure you are right!!
The proof is in our results and those of schools who do the same -
Why not listen to others if you are so sure you are right!!
For reference, of around 1/3 of the school did the FSMQ, all got 9s in GCSE maths. Pretty good success rate there.
Original post by sdfj
A school that wants their students to get the best grades - and get into the best unis as we’re discriminated against significantly.
No school is discrminated against; who has told you this rubbish? Your results are viewed in the context of your school's results but that is fair as some students go to low-performing schools.
People get A*s for FMaths A level without anything beyond GCSE Maths
Original post by Muttley79
No school is discrminated against; who has told you this rubbish? Your results are viewed in the context of your school's results but that is fair as some students go to low-performing schools.
People get A*s for FMaths A level without anything beyond GCSE Maths
People get A*s for FMaths A level without anything beyond GCSE Maths
My grades are discriminated against - I’m not saying this to a certain extent isn’t fair however.
Original post by sdfj
My grades are discriminated against - I’m not saying this to a certain extent isn’t fair however.
No, they are compared to others in your school - totally fair imho.
There are school where few get A*s because of disadvantage - those that do are obviously very able.
You are aware that state school students tend to do better at university than those from fee-paying schools with similar results?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/nov/05/top-state-school-pupils-get-better-degrees-than-those-from-private-schools
It may be 8 years old but still true.
Original post by Muttley79
No, they are compared to others in your school - totally fair imho.
There are school where few get A*s because of disadvantage - those that do are obviously very able.
You are aware that state school students tend to do better at university than those from fee-paying schools with similar results?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/nov/05/top-state-school-pupils-get-better-degrees-than-those-from-private-schools
It may be 8 years old but still true.
There are school where few get A*s because of disadvantage - those that do are obviously very able.
You are aware that state school students tend to do better at university than those from fee-paying schools with similar results?
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2015/nov/05/top-state-school-pupils-get-better-degrees-than-those-from-private-schools
It may be 8 years old but still true.
Yes, but when I’m being told right now that even with 4A*s, you’re barely scraping academic requirements for Oxbridge because of the school you go to. To that extent, I don’t think it’s fair. Otherwise, yeah totally agree.
I am aware of that trend, although I believe the difference is negligible. Universities would want a compromise of the best students and those who were disadvantaged but actually really high performing.
Original post by sdfj
For reference, of around 1/3 of the school did the FSMQ, all got 9s in GCSE maths. Pretty good success rate there.
How many got 9s across the board? That is the real test.
I did L2 further maths a couple of years ago and while I agree that there's not much benefit to doing it, I enjoyed learning the extra content.
From what I remember, there's an overlap between the higher GCSE content and the L2 FM content, especially in the circle theorems topic. If you're in Year 10 I'd say focus on getting to a solid 8/9 in GCSE maths first as that will give you a good foundation to tackle L2 further maths. After that point, it's just doing practice questions by topic & past papers.
About 70% of my current A level maths class did L2 FM and they found the transition to A level maths easier than those that did not, especially in calculus. I'm also doing FM A level so I'm glad I learned a bit about matrices through L2 FM
From what I remember, there's an overlap between the higher GCSE content and the L2 FM content, especially in the circle theorems topic. If you're in Year 10 I'd say focus on getting to a solid 8/9 in GCSE maths first as that will give you a good foundation to tackle L2 further maths. After that point, it's just doing practice questions by topic & past papers.
About 70% of my current A level maths class did L2 FM and they found the transition to A level maths easier than those that did not, especially in calculus. I'm also doing FM A level so I'm glad I learned a bit about matrices through L2 FM
Original post by sdfj
Yes, but when I’m being told right now that even with 4A*s, you’re barely scraping academic requirements for Oxbridge because of the school you go to. To that extent, I don’t think it’s fair. Otherwise, yeah totally agree.
I am aware of that trend, although I believe the difference is negligible. Universities would want a compromise of the best students and those who were disadvantaged but actually really high performing.
I am aware of that trend, although I believe the difference is negligible. Universities would want a compromise of the best students and those who were disadvantaged but actually really high performing.
You are being lied to - I have friends with children at fee-paying school that have got into Oxbridge - none had 4A*s.
I suggest you do your own research and don't rely on 'rumours'.
Original post by Muttley79
How many got 9s across the board? That is the real test.
8 in 11 subjects.
Original post by Muttley79
You are being lied to - I have friends with children at fee-paying school that have got into Oxbridge - none had 4A*s.
I suggest you do your own research and don't rely on 'rumours'.
I suggest you do your own research and don't rely on 'rumours'.
I exaggerated it but that came from my school. So many get 3A* and aren’t even allowed to apply for Oxbridge because the school are basically certain they’ll be rejected.
Original post by Muttley79
Doing additional subjects in Year 11 puts unnecessary pressure on students who should be aiming for top grades across the board not just in Maths. Often schools lie about the usefulness of Level 2 FMaths and say it's needed to study A level.
Also schools can't make you do these additional subjects - they often don't admit that parents have to approve GCSE entries!
Also schools can't make you do these additional subjects - they often don't admit that parents have to approve GCSE entries!
We were always told we didnt have to do add maths, some people learnt the content and chose not to do the exam but most chose to do it.
Original post by sdfj
I exaggerated it but that came from my school. So many get 3A* and aren’t even allowed to apply for Oxbridge because the school are basically certain they’ll be rejected.
Your school CANNOT stop you applying to Oxbridge! If parents are allowing this they should be challenging Governors/Trustees.
Oxbridge can't discriminate against 3 as some school only offer 3.
Original post by yra.70
I did L2 further maths a couple of years ago and while I agree that there's not much benefit to doing it, I enjoyed learning the extra content.
From what I remember, there's an overlap between the higher GCSE content and the L2 FM content, especially in the circle theorems topic. If you're in Year 10 I'd say focus on getting to a solid 8/9 in GCSE maths first as that will give you a good foundation to tackle L2 further maths. After that point, it's just doing practice questions by topic & past papers.
About 70% of my current A level maths class did L2 FM and they found the transition to A level maths easier than those that did not, especially in calculus. I'm also doing FM A level so I'm glad I learned a bit about matrices through L2 FM
From what I remember, there's an overlap between the higher GCSE content and the L2 FM content, especially in the circle theorems topic. If you're in Year 10 I'd say focus on getting to a solid 8/9 in GCSE maths first as that will give you a good foundation to tackle L2 further maths. After that point, it's just doing practice questions by topic & past papers.
About 70% of my current A level maths class did L2 FM and they found the transition to A level maths easier than those that did not, especially in calculus. I'm also doing FM A level so I'm glad I learned a bit about matrices through L2 FM
Thanks so much that really helps
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