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Is it a risk to apply to top medicine unis with a bad UCAT

I have high GCSE results, and high predicted A-levels, however I recently sat my UCAT and got 2670. This is the first time that they're taking UCAT and im not sure if applying for medicine at top unis is taking a risk and if i should apply for bio med instead and switch courses once in uni. (originally I ideally wanted to go Oxford but now im worried since i didnt do well in my ucat )

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Original post by Albfjo!123
I have high GCSE results, and high predicted A-levels, however I recently sat my UCAT and got 2670. This is the first time that they're taking UCAT and im not sure if applying for medicine at top unis is taking a risk and if i should apply for bio med instead and switch courses once in uni. (originally I ideally wanted to go Oxford but now im worried since i didnt do well in my ucat )


Hey, I’m not extremely knowledgeable about this stuff in it’s entirety, but based on your UCAT, you should try and apply to unis that give more weight to gcse results, and I’m not too sure but I believe most unis had a cut off point of around 2900, upto 3200 for Aston (I read this about Aston on here), just apply strategically instead of wasting an application
Original post by Albfjo!123
I have high GCSE results, and high predicted A-levels, however I recently sat my UCAT and got 2670. This is the first time that they're taking UCAT and im not sure if applying for medicine at top unis is taking a risk and if i should apply for bio med instead and switch courses once in uni. (originally I ideally wanted to go Oxford but now im worried since i didnt do well in my ucat )

What is a "top medicine uni"? What is a "bottom medicine uni"?

The answer is they don't exist. The GMC considers all medical schools equal, and the NHS (which is the only provider of graduate medical training posts) takes this stance as well and goes so far as to blind recruiters from your medical school to ensure there can be no bias in your application from where you did your medical degree. It's not something that will directly impact your career as a doctor and therefore the "best" or "top" medical school is the one that makes you an offer and you graduate from.

You cannot just swap from biomedical sciences to medicine at the drop of a hat. Firstly, there are only a handful of courses that allow you to do that at all. Secondly those courses that do are ferociously competitive to actually make the transfer - there are 200+ people on the course all applying for the same 1-10 slots of the medical degree, as you aren't considered in open competition for all the other places with other applicants, you're only applying directly to either a) ring fenced posts specifically for those transferring from that course or b) gaps created from students who left the course after first year. You also will still be expected to meet all the standard requirements for the medical degree anyway (A-level and GCSE grades, potentially even meeting UCAT cutoffs), and still need to be successful in interview. Plus you're only being considered at one uni, not four. It's simply a spectacularly bad idea.

It's even worse since you're doing it on the basis of essentially nothing, since your rationale is pretty meaningless.

If based on your profile (i.e. considering both UCAT and GCSE grades) there aren't any medical schools you can make a competitive application to this year, and your goal is to become a doctor, you are far better served by taking a gap year. If with your profile now there are medical schools you could apply to competitively then obviously just apply to those because it doesn't actually matter which medical school you go to in the UK whatsoever anyway.

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Your UCAT isn’t bad though, you can get in KCL/St George’s

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Original post by username5644232
I have high GCSE results, and high predicted A-levels, however I recently sat my UCAT and got 2670. This is the first time that they're taking UCAT and im not sure if applying for medicine at top unis is taking a risk and if i should apply for bio med instead and switch courses once in uni. (originally I ideally wanted to go Oxford but now im worried since i didnt do well in my ucat )

Hi, did you end up applying to Oxford ? I am in a similar position to you lol

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Original post by not_hawaii
Hi, did you end up applying to Oxford ? I am in a similar position to you lol


Did you?

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Original post by not_hawaii
Yes!!!


Do you mind if I ask where you got in? I applied this year too.

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Original post by artful_lounger
What is a "top medicine uni"? What is a "bottom medicine uni"?
The answer is they don't exist. The GMC considers all medical schools equal, and the NHS (which is the only provider of graduate medical training posts) takes this stance as well and goes so far as to blind recruiters from your medical school to ensure there can be no bias in your application from where you did your medical degree. It's not something that will directly impact your career as a doctor and therefore the "best" or "top" medical school is the one that makes you an offer and you graduate from.
You cannot just swap from biomedical sciences to medicine at the drop of a hat. Firstly, there are only a handful of courses that allow you to do that at all. Secondly those courses that do are ferociously competitive to actually make the transfer - there are 200+ people on the course all applying for the same 1-10 slots of the medical degree, as you aren't considered in open competition for all the other places with other applicants, you're only applying directly to either a) ring fenced posts specifically for those transferring from that course or b) gaps created from students who left the course after first year. You also will still be expected to meet all the standard requirements for the medical degree anyway (A-level and GCSE grades, potentially even meeting UCAT cutoffs), and still need to be successful in interview. Plus you're only being considered at one uni, not four. It's simply a spectacularly bad idea.
It's even worse since you're doing it on the basis of essentially nothing, since your rationale is pretty meaningless.
If based on your profile (i.e. considering both UCAT and GCSE grades) there aren't any medical schools you can make a competitive application to this year, and your goal is to become a doctor, you are far better served by taking a gap year. If with your profile now there are medical schools you could apply to competitively then obviously just apply to those because it doesn't actually matter which medical school you go to in the UK whatsoever anyway.

Hi, just thought it would be alright to ask this as you are obviously knowledgeable on the topic.

What supercurriculars should I be using my time doing now, when I'll be applying next year?
Is there anything that would really set me out that you could recommend to me apart from the obvious volunteering and work experience?

It would be a great help if you could!
Original post by stilllearning123
Hi, just thought it would be alright to ask this as you are obviously knowledgeable on the topic.

What supercurriculars should I be using my time doing now, when I'll be applying next year?
Is there anything that would really set me out that you could recommend to me apart from the obvious volunteering and work experience?

It would be a great help if you could!


It's not about looking for some magic bullet "supercurricular" no one else is doing so you "stand out". Many medical schools don't even read the personal statement and most don't score it formally even if they do read it.

You should be doing your academic work and aiming to prepare yourself as well as possible to get the best grades now. Further ahead you should be looking g at lining up work experience and otherwise looking at how they actually assess applicants at interview, and find activities you can do to get relevant experiences to demonstrate the required skills and behaviours.

You should be approaching it from a much more mechanical way if finding what the boxes are you need to tick (which medical schools tend to be pretty transparent about) and ticking them (or doing the work to prepare to tick them through your answers at interview).

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Original post by username5644232
I have high GCSE results, and high predicted A-levels, however I recently sat my UCAT and got 2670. This is the first time that they're taking UCAT and im not sure if applying for medicine at top unis is taking a risk and if i should apply for bio med instead and switch courses once in uni. (originally I ideally wanted to go Oxford but now im worried since i didnt do well in my ucat )

Hello! Where did you end up applying? My daughter is on the same boat, top GCSE & A-Level but UCAT 2680 B1, she originally wanted to apply Imperial and UCL, but with that UCAT score....
(edited 7 months ago)

Reply 10

We are on same boat.

For low and average, most strategic way to choose medical schools is looking on how the admission team scoring the applicants.

There are universities scores holistically by giving equal importance on IGSCS and UCAT..choose this universities would increase chances to get interview invitation.

Once we are interview..then selection for offer is mainly on interview performance.

Thats how we did the U selection.

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Original post by Veera24
We are on same boat.
For low and average, most strategic way to choose medical schools is looking on how the admission team scoring the applicants.
There are universities scores holistically by giving equal importance on IGSCS and UCAT..choose this universities would increase chances to get interview invitation.
Once we are interview..then selection for offer is mainly on interview performance.
Thats how we did the U selection.

Hello! Where did you applied? I think a lot of students are the same with top grades but didn't do so well with the UCAT test.

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Original post by Sallylin
Hello! Where did you applied? I think a lot of students are the same with top grades but didn't do so well with the UCAT test.


QUB, Cardiff, Dundee - safe choices
King’s - aspirational choice

Reply 13

Most universities has admission statistics in their website..previous years, low and average UCAT scores, would give us idea on possible cut-off this year, as the cut-off is always based on quality of application received every year by each medical school.

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