The entrance rate is like 10%, compared to cambridges 16%, but I have heard it is harder to get into Cambridge. Additionally the average MAT score of an offer holder doesn’t seem to be that high. Why is this? Is the average oxford applicant dumber (for lack of better phrasing) than the average Cambridge applicant?

If i were to get the average offer holder mark in the MAT, would this give me a very high chance of acceptance, or do i still need to perform very well in interview.

I like oxford more than Cambridge but the acceptance rate is scaring me off, so i’m not sure which to pick.

If i were to get the average offer holder mark in the MAT, would this give me a very high chance of acceptance, or do i still need to perform very well in interview.

I like oxford more than Cambridge but the acceptance rate is scaring me off, so i’m not sure which to pick.

in general Cambridge accepts more students every year, so you might want to compare the number of applicants vs the number of spaces available at each unis maths course. If they get a similar number of applicants but oxford gas less spaces that might explain the lower acceptance rate. Cambridge also generally wants slightly higher grades than Oxford, so people feel more confident applying to Oxford. Again, compare the entry requirements for maths.

Generally, Cambridge does more interviews than Oxford, so you’re more likely to be accepted post interview at Oxford than Cambridge. But its more difficult to get an interview to begin with.

Generally, Cambridge does more interviews than Oxford, so you’re more likely to be accepted post interview at Oxford than Cambridge. But its more difficult to get an interview to begin with.

Original post by lucyy06

The entrance rate is like 10%, compared to cambridges 16%, but I have heard it is harder to get into Cambridge. Additionally the average MAT score of an offer holder doesn’t seem to be that high. Why is this? Is the average oxford applicant dumber (for lack of better phrasing) than the average Cambridge applicant?

If i were to get the average offer holder mark in the MAT, would this give me a very high chance of acceptance, or do i still need to perform very well in interview.

I like oxford more than Cambridge but the acceptance rate is scaring me off, so i’m not sure which to pick.

If i were to get the average offer holder mark in the MAT, would this give me a very high chance of acceptance, or do i still need to perform very well in interview.

I like oxford more than Cambridge but the acceptance rate is scaring me off, so i’m not sure which to pick.

Cant say my interpretation of the numbers is that reliable though

cambridge (maths)

1500 applied, 500 offers, 250 entered

https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/publications/undergrad_admissions_statistics_2022_cycle.pdf

So the 500 (1/3 of 1500) offers were based on a decent personal statement and the interview (tests). Then ~1/2 achieve their step offer so 250 entered.

oxford (maths)

1800 applied, 500 shortlist, 200 offers

oxford (maths + stats|phil|cs)

2700 appllied, 800 shortlist, 300 offers

https://www.maths.ox.ac.uk/system/files/inline-files/Feedback%202022_0.pdf

So the joint courses boost the numbers applying/offers. For only maths, the mat perfornance and personal statement filters out a bit more than 2/3 of the applicants, and the interview then passes on 40%.

So the numbers are not that different, though ox has more applicants, both for just maths and joint courses. As noted cam has more "just maths" ug students, but ox has more with the joint courses. The main thing is how the exam and interview tests are ordered and the fact that with cambridge you have step at the same time as your a levels.

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Original post by mqb2766

Cant say my interpretation of the numbers are that reliable

cambridge (maths)

1500 applied, 500 offers, 250 entered

https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/publications/undergrad_admissions_statistics_2022_cycle.pdf

So the 500 (1/3 of 1500) offers were based on a decent personal statement and the interview (tests). Then ~1/2 achieve their step offer so 250 entered.

oxford (maths)

1800 applied, 500 shortlist, 200 offers

oxford (maths + stats|phil|cs)

2700 appllied, 800 shortlist, 300 offers

https://www.maths.ox.ac.uk/system/files/inline-files/Feedback%202022_0.pdf

So the joint courses boost the numbers applying/offers. For only maths, the mat perfornance and personal statement filters out a bit more than 2/3 of the applicants, and the interview then passes on 40%.

So the numbers are not that different, though ox has more applicants, both for just maths and joint courses. As noted cam has more "just maths" ug students, but ox has more with the joint courses. The main thing is how the exam and interview tests are ordered and the fact that with cambridge you have step at the same time as your a levels.

cambridge (maths)

1500 applied, 500 offers, 250 entered

https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/sites/www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/files/publications/undergrad_admissions_statistics_2022_cycle.pdf

So the 500 (1/3 of 1500) offers were based on a decent personal statement and the interview (tests). Then ~1/2 achieve their step offer so 250 entered.

oxford (maths)

1800 applied, 500 shortlist, 200 offers

oxford (maths + stats|phil|cs)

2700 appllied, 800 shortlist, 300 offers

https://www.maths.ox.ac.uk/system/files/inline-files/Feedback%202022_0.pdf

So the joint courses boost the numbers applying/offers. For only maths, the mat perfornance and personal statement filters out a bit more than 2/3 of the applicants, and the interview then passes on 40%.

So the numbers are not that different, though ox has more applicants, both for just maths and joint courses. As noted cam has more "just maths" ug students, but ox has more with the joint courses. The main thing is how the exam and interview tests are ordered and the fact that with cambridge you have step at the same time as your a levels.

This makes a lot of sense, thank you!

Original post by lucyy06

This makes a lot of sense, thank you!

It wouldnt be a big deal which one you choose to apply to (you must be y12?). Neither is easy, though ~500 in total get accepted each year, and the main difference is when you do the entrance exam (and obv the exams format).

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Original post by mqb2766

It wouldnt be a big deal which one you choose to apply to (you must be y12?). Neither is easy, though ~500 in total get accepted each year, and the main difference is when you do the entrance exam (and obv the exams format).

I’m year 13 haha (yes i’m deciding quite late). My plan is currently to see how I fare on last years MAT right before my school’s deadline. If i meet the offer average i’ll apply to oxford, else i’ll risk cambridge

Original post by lucyy06

I’m year 13 haha (yes i’m deciding quite late). My plan is currently to see how I fare on last years MAT right before my school’s deadline. If i meet the offer average i’ll apply to oxford, else i’ll risk cambridge

Good luck whichever you do. But getting cracking would be good.

Original post by lucyy06

The entrance rate is like 10%, compared to cambridges 16%, but I have heard it is harder to get into Cambridge. Additionally the average MAT score of an offer holder doesn’t seem to be that high. Why is this? Is the average oxford applicant dumber (for lack of better phrasing) than the average Cambridge applicant?

If i were to get the average offer holder mark in the MAT, would this give me a very high chance of acceptance, or do i still need to perform very well in interview.

I like oxford more than Cambridge but the acceptance rate is scaring me off, so i’m not sure which to pick.

If i were to get the average offer holder mark in the MAT, would this give me a very high chance of acceptance, or do i still need to perform very well in interview.

I like oxford more than Cambridge but the acceptance rate is scaring me off, so i’m not sure which to pick.

One reason (if not the main reason) is because of STEP.

STEP is taken alongside A-Levels so around half of offer-holders will miss their offer on results day. Cambridge tend to give offers to about 1 in 3 Maths applicants even though they only have spaces for less than half of that. It's quite a cruel system, even if it does lead to a very strong cohort.

STEP is also generally considered to be much more difficult than the MAT and requires much more preparation so many people are put off applying to Cambridge as a result.

For those who are encouraged to apply 'just in case', Oxford is generally seen as the safer option as, if they get the offer, they only need to get the A-Level grades; whereas for Cambridge getting an offer is only half the battle.

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