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Cambridge as a transfer student

Hi, I'd really like some clarification unto how admissions officers at Cambridge will consider my application considering the context of my application. To preface I am a carer, former FSM recipient and a retake student. I got 7 A* and 2 As in my GCSEs and CCC for my A Levels the first time around. My mitigating circumstances really affected my first A Level results: I was predicted A*A*A and received CCC. I retook my exams this year and got A*AA. I am 1 mark away from an A* in a subject and will request a review soon if this becomes financially viable. I did looooaaads of work experience relating to my desired course (Law) during my Gap Year and am even starting my own charity group for my borough/podcast soon!!

I will be beginning Pol&IR at UCL in September and so (may) be applying as a transfer student to Cambridge. Given that I am a retake student and a transfer student, I wonder how much/how this will affect my chances? Is there anything I can specifically do to maximise said chances?

I absolutely love the Law modules at Cambridge, the atmosphere of the university and the course really aligns with my career goals. Everyone around me is really against this decision since I have already gotten into a great university to study an amazing course, I have been told it is rather greedy to reapply and that I am not considering the extent to which an additional year will have on me career wise if I do even get an offer. To put things into perspective, I had to fight tooth and nail to be allowed to retake as this is an option my parents simply did not believe in. They refused to pay for tuition/groups as I was going against their judgement but also only let me retake on the condition that I quit my job. Basically I had to self learn and self mark all of my work (I take essay based subjects which made this so difficult) and shared a small bedroom with 2 people so it took great amounts of preparation to have focused study sessions. Thankfully my a level subjects (Politics, Psychology and Economics) had free resources online! I do totally understand their concerns and so would appreciate any advice. These are things I cannot put on my application as it's irrelevant, but I think does provide some valuable context. I applied to PIR prior to commencing my gap year, I feel that this year has really helped me establish my legal compass. I also now feel that a Law degree is more suitable in terms of my career aspirations. The situations I have faced as a retake student and particularly a carer have made me so much more resilient and ignatius in terms of my academic disposition and my willingness to pursue my own dreams.

I don't know what to do, I did contact Cambridge via email last week but of course they are super busy right now and may not reply anytime soon. I thought that impersonal advice from people on this forum may help me figure out my next steps. Any advice appreciated!!

More specifically, how do you think my application will be affected as a transfer applicant who resat their A levels. There is very little information on either topics online, I'm hoping someone here can help clarify this to me! ie any success/rejection stories// any information from the university itself.

Thanks so so much! ^-^
Generally, Oxford and Cambridge don’t like to poach students from other universities. You would need a to make a very strong case for why you must have Cambridge Law instead of UCL, and why UCL Law just doesn’t do it for you. You’d need to thoroughly impress your interviewers (of course, Law is a subject where you genuinely risk being rejected pre-interview because of how competitive it is). I also think starting the Law course yet again could get pretty disheartening; if you were taken by Cambridge, you’d be starting the course two years later than many undergrads. Hanging out with 18 year olds might get old!

Another factor may actually be your results now. As I’m sure you know, the minimum offer for humanities is usually A*AA. However, many applicants will have better predictions than that many offer three or four A* predictions and many offerholders will vastly exceed the conditions of their offers. Cambridge know this, so while having achieved grades is a benefit you’re a safe bet, since you won’t miss any offers you’re also competing with students who are predicted to outperform you. It probably depends on college, but tutors may prefer an uncertain A*A*A*A* candidate to a certain A*AA one.

If I were making this decision, I think I’d stick with UCL. The Cambridge admissions process is tiring, and you’ll be busy with your current degree during it. However, if your heart’s absolutely set on trying, then try. If you don’t get an offer, take it as a sign from the universe. That’s probably how I’d look at it. ☺️
Just adding by UCL law, I mean you’d be making the case for why you want to apply for Cambridge Law instead of asking UCL to change course!
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Original post by Anonymous
Hi, I'd really like some clarification unto how admissions officers at Cambridge will consider my application considering the context of my application. To preface I am a carer, former FSM recipient and a retake student. I got 7 A* and 2 As in my GCSEs and CCC for my A Levels the first time around. My mitigating circumstances really affected my first A Level results: I was predicted A*A*A and received CCC. I retook my exams this year and got A*AA. I am 1 mark away from an A* in a subject and will request a review soon if this becomes financially viable. I did looooaaads of work experience relating to my desired course (Law) during my Gap Year and am even starting my own charity group for my borough/podcast soon!!
I will be beginning Pol&IR at UCL in September and so (may) be applying as a transfer student to Cambridge. Given that I am a retake student and a transfer student, I wonder how much/how this will affect my chances? Is there anything I can specifically do to maximise said chances?
I absolutely love the Law modules at Cambridge, the atmosphere of the university and the course really aligns with my career goals. Everyone around me is really against this decision since I have already gotten into a great university to study an amazing course, I have been told it is rather greedy to reapply and that I am not considering the extent to which an additional year will have on me career wise if I do even get an offer. To put things into perspective, I had to fight tooth and nail to be allowed to retake as this is an option my parents simply did not believe in. They refused to pay for tuition/groups as I was going against their judgement but also only let me retake on the condition that I quit my job. Basically I had to self learn and self mark all of my work (I take essay based subjects which made this so difficult) and shared a small bedroom with 2 people so it took great amounts of preparation to have focused study sessions. Thankfully my a level subjects (Politics, Psychology and Economics) had free resources online! I do totally understand their concerns and so would appreciate any advice. These are things I cannot put on my application as it's irrelevant, but I think does provide some valuable context. I applied to PIR prior to commencing my gap year, I feel that this year has really helped me establish my legal compass. I also now feel that a Law degree is more suitable in terms of my career aspirations. The situations I have faced as a retake student and particularly a carer have made me so much more resilient and ignatius in terms of my academic disposition and my willingness to pursue my own dreams.
I don't know what to do, I did contact Cambridge via email last week but of course they are super busy right now and may not reply anytime soon. I thought that impersonal advice from people on this forum may help me figure out my next steps. Any advice appreciated!!
More specifically, how do you think my application will be affected as a transfer applicant who resat their A levels. There is very little information on either topics online, I'm hoping someone here can help clarify this to me! ie any success/rejection stories// any information from the university itself.
Thanks so so much! ^-^

UCL is a brilliant uni. I'd strongly recommend moving on from Cambridge and making the most of your UCL offer.

Your almost certainly won't get into Cambridge as

They only consider transfers from other Unis in very exceptional circumstances. You would need for example a letter of recommendation from the Cambridge college you are applying to, which will be extremely difficult to get.

You are a retake student, which can count against you.

You have got A*AA which is the min. Most successful applicants have at least A*A*A


And even if you did get in, you would need to miss another year and start again.

PS, both my daughters go Cambridge, but they would not have hesitated to go somewhere else if they had not got in, especial if they had got into an elite uni like UCL. I went UCL myself and loved it, although that was a lifetime ago.
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Original post by Anonymous
Just adding by UCL law, I mean you’d be making the case for why you want to apply for Cambridge Law instead of asking UCL to change course!

Thank you so so much, I have so much more to consider now!

I'd also like to add that I did ask UCL if I could internally transfer from the PIR course to Law. They stated this is not a viable option for the coming academic year since they are already at full capacity for the Law course. I was told I could apply internally June/July after receiving my first year grades or via UCAS regularly (the admissions officer stated this would be a better option).

I really love the PIR course: because I have great study spaces and what seems really great professors/modules I definitely think I will do really well on this course. Of course, I'm willing and grateful to put in the work in order to achieve this. My only concern is that my PIR course does not align with my postgraduate aspirations: I aspire to start off my career with a Judicial Fellowship at the ICJ (or something off the sorts where I'm able to work at the ICJ). I could complete my PIR course and then apply to US Law Schools as the only alternative option, though this would be very expensive and just as/even more competitive. I say this because it seems convention that most prosecutors at the ICJ studied Law undergrad where this is an option, I feel that I'm putting myself at a great disadvantage.

As for my A Level grades, I do understand the issue now thank you so much for clarifying. If I do apply via UCAS, I do think I have a greater , albeit probably low, chance at securing a UCL/LSE Law offer. This decision is just really emotionally draining as I don't have any support and it is for valid reasons like the ones you have listed above.

Generally, do you think I do stand a chance - how slight do you think this is. In terms of the UCL vs Cambridge Law courses, I do prefer the Cambridge modules and style of teaching, hence why that is the university I am aiming towards.

Thanks again :smile:
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Original post by lalexm
UCL is a brilliant uni. I'd strongly recommend moving on from Cambridge and making the most of your UCL offer.
Your almost certainly won't get into Cambridge as

They only consider transfers from other Unis in very exceptional circumstances. You would need for example a letter of recommendation from the Cambridge college you are applying to, which will be extremely difficult to get.

You are a retake student, which can count against you.

You have got A*AA which is the min. Most successful applicants have at least A*A*A


And even if you did get in, you would need to miss another year and start again.
PS, both my daughters go Cambridge, but they would not have hesitated to go somewhere else if they had not got in, especial if they had got into an elite uni like UCL. I went UCL myself and loved it, although that was a lifetime ago.

Thank you so much, and congratulations to your daughters. That's an amazing accomplishment!! ^-^

So do you think it's best for me to focus on my PIR degree for now and then apply to law schools later on?
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Original post by Anonymous
Thank you so much, and congratulations to your daughters. That's an amazing accomplishment!! ^-^
So do you think it's best for me to focus on my PIR degree for now and then apply to law schools later on?

Yes. I assume you have an interest in PIR, as otherwise you would not have applied for it. Doing a law conversion post degree is a very valid and common route. By then you might also have changed your mind a want to peruse something else anyway. It's normal for students to change their minds multiple times about careers, and most end up in careers that are not directly related to their degrees anyway. UCL is an elite uni, so no doors will be closed to you.
Original post by Anonymous
Hi, I'd really like some clarification unto how admissions officers at Cambridge will consider my application considering the context of my application. To preface I am a carer, former FSM recipient and a retake student. I got 7 A* and 2 As in my GCSEs and CCC for my A Levels the first time around. My mitigating circumstances really affected my first A Level results: I was predicted A*A*A and received CCC. I retook my exams this year and got A*AA. I am 1 mark away from an A* in a subject and will request a review soon if this becomes financially viable. I did looooaaads of work experience relating to my desired course (Law) during my Gap Year and am even starting my own charity group for my borough/podcast soon!!
I will be beginning Pol&IR at UCL in September and so (may) be applying as a transfer student to Cambridge. Given that I am a retake student and a transfer student, I wonder how much/how this will affect my chances? Is there anything I can specifically do to maximise said chances?
I absolutely love the Law modules at Cambridge, the atmosphere of the university and the course really aligns with my career goals. Everyone around me is really against this decision since I have already gotten into a great university to study an amazing course, I have been told it is rather greedy to reapply and that I am not considering the extent to which an additional year will have on me career wise if I do even get an offer. To put things into perspective, I had to fight tooth and nail to be allowed to retake as this is an option my parents simply did not believe in. They refused to pay for tuition/groups as I was going against their judgement but also only let me retake on the condition that I quit my job. Basically I had to self learn and self mark all of my work (I take essay based subjects which made this so difficult) and shared a small bedroom with 2 people so it took great amounts of preparation to have focused study sessions. Thankfully my a level subjects (Politics, Psychology and Economics) had free resources online! I do totally understand their concerns and so would appreciate any advice. These are things I cannot put on my application as it's irrelevant, but I think does provide some valuable context. I applied to PIR prior to commencing my gap year, I feel that this year has really helped me establish my legal compass. I also now feel that a Law degree is more suitable in terms of my career aspirations. The situations I have faced as a retake student and particularly a carer have made me so much more resilient and ignatius in terms of my academic disposition and my willingness to pursue my own dreams.
I don't know what to do, I did contact Cambridge via email last week but of course they are super busy right now and may not reply anytime soon. I thought that impersonal advice from people on this forum may help me figure out my next steps. Any advice appreciated!!
More specifically, how do you think my application will be affected as a transfer applicant who resat their A levels. There is very little information on either topics online, I'm hoping someone here can help clarify this to me! ie any success/rejection stories// any information from the university itself.
Thanks so so much! ^-^

As above, Cambridge won't be interested in a transfer from UCL.

Pol/IR at UCL is a brilliant degree course - ace that and then to the law conversion - that's your best career foundation.

But if you still feel the same way towards the end of your first year, see if you can change to Law at UCL, another epic course.
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Original post by threeportdrift
As above, Cambridge won't be interested in a transfer from UCL.
Pol/IR at UCL is a brilliant degree course - ace that and then to the law conversion - that's your best career foundation.
But if you still feel the same way towards the end of your first year, see if you can change to Law at UCL, another epic course.

Thank you so much for your responses, I really appreciate all the advice!

I still am unsure as to why it is that Cambridge won't be interested in a transfer from UCL. Is this something specific to my university or is there something the university has said which supports this idea? It says on their website that transfers are accepted in exceptional circumstances or if a person wants to swap courses (which is true in my case). Everything is super vague online , I feel, but if you do have guidance from an admissions officer I'd be grateful to hear it!

Do you think it's a good idea for me to contact the admissions team for clarification? There is a Q&A by Cambridge tomorrow at 5 so I could alternatively ask then.
Original post by Anonymous
Thank you so much for your responses, I really appreciate all the advice!

I still am unsure as to why it is that Cambridge won't be interested in a transfer from UCL. Is this something specific to my university or is there something the university has said which supports this idea? It says on their website that transfers are accepted in exceptional circumstances or if a person wants to swap courses (which is true in my case). Everything is super vague online , I feel, but if you do have guidance from an admissions officer I'd be grateful to hear it!

Do you think it's a good idea for me to contact the admissions team for clarification? There is a Q&A by Cambridge tomorrow at 5 so I could alternatively ask then.

They don't consider transfers from students currently studying at another UK university as a matter of course as I understand. You would need to withdraw from the course and apply in a "gap" year after the first year of the other course.

The only exception is if there are significant extenuating circumstances, you want to change subject, and your current uni can write you a strong reference to support the transfer. Which you won't get in first year when said reference will be due within 2 weeks of starting as they won't know you at all - that really would only apply to second year students at another uni, who would still need to restart in first year at Cambridge, and would likely have issued with Student Finance as well as a result.

This is spelled out on their admissions pages: https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/apply/before/entry-requirements#transferring

If you want to apply to Cambridge more than you want to study at UCL you should realistically take a gap year and (re)apply to Cambridge.

Also being 20 years old among 18 year olds is a pretty meaningless distinction as you're all essentially in the same period of your life. Your background as a carer will probably give you a more significantly different perspective on life and so on than your age in this case.

As above UCL is a fine university though and there's no reason you couldn't study at Cambridge as a postgraduate or pursue much the same careers as you could after studying at Cambridge anyway.
Original post by artful_lounger
They don't consider transfers from students currently studying at another UK university as a matter of course as I understand. You would need to withdraw from the course and apply in a "gap" year after the first year of the other course.
The only exception is if there are significant extenuating circumstances, you want to change subject, and your current uni can write you a strong reference to support the transfer. Which you won't get in first year when said reference will be due within 2 weeks of starting as they won't know you at all - that really would only apply to second year students at another uni, who would still need to restart in first year at Cambridge, and would likely have issued with Student Finance as well as a result.
This is spelled out on their admissions pages: https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/apply/before/entry-requirements#transferring
If you want to apply to Cambridge more than you want to study at UCL you should realistically take a gap year and (re)apply to Cambridge.
Also being 20 years old among 18 year olds is a pretty meaningless distinction as you're all essentially in the same period of your life. Your background as a carer will probably give you a more significantly different perspective on life and so on than your age in this case.
As above UCL is a fine university though and there's no reason you couldn't study at Cambridge as a postgraduate or pursue much the same careers as you could after studying at Cambridge anyway.

Ohhh I had no idea, I didn't consider the fact that a strong recommendation would entail the university actually knowing me. I thought that simply meant that UCL must given me permission and that it would be my sixth form providing the strong reference. Thank you!!

I do agree with you now, I think I will stick to PIR and apply for law conversions/law schools in the future in 2nd year. That's great too because now I have a rigid goal to work towards, which always helps! I am definitely not interested in taking a second Gap Year as I did so much and got so much out of my first.

Truly thank you so much, I was worried that I would offend my course director by asking to transfer and I see now that that would've been done in vein considering transfer students typically apply after the first few months of study.

Thanks again 🙂
Original post by Anonymous
Ohhh I had no idea, I didn't consider the fact that a strong recommendation would entail the university actually knowing me. I thought that simply meant that UCL must given me permission and that it would be my sixth form providing the strong reference. Thank you!!

I do agree with you now, I think I will stick to PIR and apply for law conversions/law schools in the future in 2nd year. That's great too because now I have a rigid goal to work towards, which always helps! I am definitely not interested in taking a second Gap Year as I did so much and got so much out of my first.

Truly thank you so much, I was worried that I would offend my course director by asking to transfer and I see now that that would've been done in vein considering transfer students typically apply after the first few months of study.

Thanks again 🙂

I think your course director would have just been more puzzled as to why you started the course than offended, but I think this plan sounds quite pragmatic and achievable - best of luck! :h:

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