Ukraine peace plan, could it work?

The Ukraine civil war has been going on for nearly 3 years now and it’s costing countless lives a lot of money in aid and weapons supplies that the west can barely afford.
If Ukraine was split down the middle following the course of the Dnipro river, Ukraine could keep the western half and Russia could have the eastern half. The city of Kviv will be divided by the border with West Kviv going to Ukraine and the East Kviv going to Russia. After all that’s how peace was brough to Timor by having a separate East Timor. In this case peace will be achieved by having a separate East Ukraine.
Could this be the solution for peace?

The Ukraine civil war has been going on for nearly 3 years now and it’s costing countless lives a lot of money in aid and weapons supplies that the west can barely afford.
If Ukraine was split down the middle following the course of the Dnipro river, Ukraine could keep the western half and Russia could have the eastern half. The city of Kviv will be divided by the border with West Kviv going to Ukraine and the East Kviv going to Russia. After all that’s how peace was brough to Timor by having a separate East Timor. In this case peace will be achieved by having a separate East Ukraine.
Could this be the solution for peace?

^^One of the most unashamed and bare-faced pro-Russia positions I have ever seen.
I personally don't trust anything coming out of Ukraine on any angle and I'm not convinced that the leadership is the best.
But this is open Russian aggression that they are relying on their useful idiots in other countries to back them on.

The Ukraine civil war has been going on for nearly 3 years now and it’s costing countless lives a lot of money in aid and weapons supplies that the west can barely afford.
If Ukraine was split down the middle following the course of the Dnipro river, Ukraine could keep the western half and Russia could have the eastern half. The city of Kviv will be divided by the border with West Kviv going to Ukraine and the East Kviv going to Russia. After all that’s how peace was brough to Timor by having a separate East Timor. In this case peace will be achieved by having a separate East Ukraine.
Could this be the solution for peace?

In the long-running thread on the Ukraine conflict elsewhere on this website, I have repeatedly called for a negotiated peace. As the article I cited in Reply 2 makes clear, a negotiated settlement does not mean a Russian victory.
Russia set out to do in Ukraine what the West had done in Iraq, Yugoslavia and Libya: remove a regime that it did not like.
It failed.
There was never, and could never have been, any prospect of occupying and subjugating all or most of Ukraine. Russia, powerful as it is, simply does not have the resources to do that - still less to threaten, with conventional forces, the 32 counties of NATO with a combined population of over 950 million.
On the other hand, Ukraine does not have the ability to expel Russian forces from all or most of the territory it now occupies.
The idea that Russia is an existential threat to the West is simply soft propaganda put out by NATO to cover its embarrassment at having catastrophically misjudged the situation and in a desperate attempt to keep the populations of its member states on board.
The NATO Secretary General has gone on record as saying that the conflict may well go on for 10 years. Ponder what that would mean for Ukraine. For a start, the Zelensky administration could not possibly avoid holding elections for that long. More importantly, another cohort of young men and women would be sent to their deaths while their country was reduced to rubble.
Opposition to continued military support for Ukraine is now gathering pace across Europe and the US. The people want an end to this tragedy and their governments know it. Already, Germany has ended much of its support as part of public spending cuts at home. Crucially, support is waning in the US.
The following extract from an opinion piece in today's Guardian sums up the position perfectly:
"NATO at the moment is trapped. The economic war on Russia has been a disaster. It has sorely hurt western trade, sending energy and agricultural supply prices soaring...There has to be a peace treaty in Ukraine, presumably along the lines of the failed Istanbul talks in 2022. That Putin agreed to those talks showed he knew his invasion was a mistake. Now an armistice line must be drawn and policed. Western politicians eager to pose as tough guys do peace no service by promising to back Zelenskiy to total victory. They know perfectly well that such a victory is impossible. The only question is how much death and destruction must continue in the meantime."
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/16/keir-starmer-nato-ukraine-british-long-range-missiles-russia

The Ukraine civil war has been going on for nearly 3 years now and it’s costing countless lives a lot of money in aid and weapons supplies that the west can barely afford.
If Ukraine was split down the middle following the course of the Dnipro river, Ukraine could keep the western half and Russia could have the eastern half. The city of Kviv will be divided by the border with West Kviv going to Ukraine and the East Kviv going to Russia. After all that’s how peace was brough to Timor by having a separate East Timor. In this case peace will be achieved by having a separate East Ukraine.
Could this be the solution for peace?

I think it would be a good deal in addition to a permanent treaty that Ukraine never join Nato. President Putin may support that peace deal and I suggest all parties to engage in it.

You can't put that in a treaty to a sovereign nation you raving walloper 😅
What is it about you and automatically gravitating to the most obviously evil option of any discussion?

My fundamental desire is for peace on both sides. Rather than continue a conflict with loss of Ukrainian lives, it is imperative that there are compromises sought and one key compromise is not joining Nato which was President Putin’s red line.
It is disgusting imho that some in the public seem to want the conflict to continue when their family members are not involved.

My fundamental desire is for peace on both sides. Rather than continue a conflict with loss of Ukrainian lives, it is imperative that there are compromises sought and one key compromise is not joining Nato which was President Putin’s red line.
It is disgusting imho that some in the public seem to want the conflict to continue when their family members are not involved.

Are your family members involved?

None of that matters, you simply cant give a country that sort of permanent instruction as part of a negotiation. That's not a compromise, it's being a vassal state in perpetuity.

My fundamental desire is for peace on both sides. Rather than continue a conflict with loss of Ukrainian lives, it is imperative that there are compromises sought and one key compromise is not joining Nato which was President Putin’s red line.
It is disgusting imho that some in the public seem to want the conflict to continue when their family members are not involved.

No, but it is reasonable to seek peace. It is a human way to think and not want war for other people’s family members whilst you sit miles away.

And yet those same people who you are urging to surrender to the brutal invader are resolute in their determination to keep fighting for their liberty and sovereignty.
TBH I'll listen to the Ukrainian people on the ground before a shameless Putin apologist on the internet.

"It is disgusting imho that some in the public seem to want the conflict to continue when their family members are not involved."
Given that pretty much every Ukrainian opposes surrender to the Russian aggressor, and they "have family members involved", it is disgusting that people would have them roll over and let Putin's jackboots stomp all over them.

Do you think the US would tolerate Cuba forming a military alliance with China and Russia? If no, then they are a vassal state in perpetuity.
The problem with this discourse is the balance between fairness and hypocrisy. We would consider it to be fair that no hostile nation is military-aligned to an adversary whilst being on our doorsteps whether the UK or the US. However, we are happy to not expect the same for other countries.