Ukraine peace plan, could it work?

Indeed. Because NATO invaded a perceived weak and isolated Russia (or Belarus if you prefer), hoping that because it was not a member of a defence alliance that no one would come to its aid, and proceeded to pulverise its infrastructure through repeated, unprovoked missile strikes, attempting to make rapid gains and then sue quickly for peace with a bewildered and hopeless victim.
Oh, hold on...

While most of the content there is kinda expected, what really did surprise me was Wired defending Russel Brand.
(jk. that was absolutely on brand - scuse the pun)

I didnt even notice that last night, though the "ciritical analysis" seems to pop up a few times with the other poster. Even when they dont. I wonder whos narrative will be accepted, so brands where he denies things or the multiple women who are alleging sex offences. I believe that the police have asked for charges to be brought. Another podcast grifterr/sex offender/right wing rus backed/other "media sources" are biased (though describing brand, robinson, hopkins, jones,carlson ... as media sources stretches credibility too fecking far)... pretty much take your pick of which ones fits whoever.
Personally, I believe the big yin in most things
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23801507.russell-brand-billy-connolly-had-harsh-words-behaviour/
so guilty as charged m'lud by the sounds of it. But its not high on the list of importatnt things for a peace plan in ukraine.

If that’s your view about Nato, that’s fine. Best to agree to disagree.

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Good afternoon.
I see the insults have been raining down on you harder and faster than ever!
As this thread is supposedly dedicated to the discussion of a peace plan for Ukraine (starting with one particular proposal and branching out from there) I thought it worthwhile to add a comment, using your above response to another contributor as a (hopefully non-contentious) stepping stone.
There is - and has always been - a very wide variety of views about the role of NATO in the conflict. Some of these views have been discussed in the other, 'official', thread on this topic.
Since the recent escalation of the conflict from both sides, and in particular the launch of Russia's 'experimental' missile a day or so ago, Ukraine's relationship with NATO is very much back on the agenda.
Many readers will have forgotten that, as recently as June, President Biden all but ruled out Ukraine's membership of NATO as part of a peace plan. But Mr Biden is likely to come under immense pressure to change tack. The danger is that, once again, the half-promise of NATO membership will be dangled in front of the Ukrainian leadership, only to be potentially thwarted either by the incoming Trump administration or by one or more NATO members exercising a veto.
I came across an interesting article this morning in what is usually categorised as a left-leaning publication. Before quoting from it, it is worth stressing that the Ukraine conflict is emphatically not a right versus left issue: views on the conflict diverge across the political spectrum. Certain TSR members may be under the impression that criticism of the way the West has handled the affair is confined to a few individuals on the 'hard right' (possibly because they have been taken in by the version of events put about by some, but not all, Western leaders). They thus erroneously perceive such criticism as Russian propaganda.
Here is an extract from the article:
'The war is going badly for Ukraine, with war weariness among the population evidenced both in public opinion polls and intensifying resistance to conscription. On Tuesday, Gallup released a new poll, summarizing, “After more than two years of grinding conflict, Ukrainians are increasingly weary of the war with Russia. In Gallup’s latest surveys of Ukraine, conducted in August and October 2024, an average of 52% of Ukrainians would like to see their country negotiate an end to the war as soon as possible.”
Further, many American foreign policy analysts who had previously advocated robustly arming Ukrainian resistance to Russian aggression are now acknowledging that the time to negotiate has come.
Writing in Foreign Policy, Matthew Duss (executive vice president at the Center for International Policy) and Robert Farley (a professor of international relations at the University of Kentucky), note that “the military situation appears quite desperate and increasingly serious for Ukraine.” Given this reality, “Ukraine will need to make extremely difficult decisions about what, precisely, it values".
There is little serious debate that Ukraine will need to exchange territory for peace. The important question is what else Ukraine will need to concede...
Since the end of the Cold War, American foreign policy toward Ukraine has been feckless. The United States has dangled the false promise of NATO membership, which has antagonized Russia without offering Ukraine real security. Biden is not alone in his irresponsibility, which was shared also by his predecessors going back to Bill Clinton. But Biden followed this irresponsible foreign policy to a particularly deadly conclusion.'
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/biden-escalation-ukraine-betrayal/
Now I appreciate that the views expressed in this article will be met with outrage bordering on apoplexy by some of the contributors to this thread. But they should at least be forced to accept that it is not just you who 'thinks outside the box'.
The contributors to the above article are not Russian propagandists: they are serious foreign policy analysts. Yes, they are expressing opinions - but well informed, well respected opinions. Others may take a different view. They should attempt to express those views in an equally rational and evidence based presentation, not by throwing insults at those with whom they happen to disagree.

Honestly you'll prob be happier just adding all the determined MAGA types to your ignore list for a better forum experience. it's not like they have much interest in genuine debate.

This guy (link removed because ....) is better informed than me.

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Good afternoon.
Thanks for your response. It is concerning that opinions that go against the expected norm is called propaganda but some of those people would consider themselves to be critical thinkers.
I have read commentary that aligns to the war weariness points. Even Don Jr. made some social media posts about it after the US election.
To me, it is wild that the west are gung-ho about wanting Ukraine to “win” but many European countries have left the bill and support to the United States. I hope President Trump can resolve this insane conflict as soon as possible.

Do you consider yourself to be a supportive thinker @Wired_1800 ?