Heyyyy,

I am currently in Year 13 and I'm doing Maths, Physics and English Literature. I was not able to do Further Maths because it was not offered at my school. My teachers said I could teach it to myself (which I did try) but I wasn't able to as it really is a subject that you can't learn by yourself easily. I'm predicted an A* in maths and want to study maths at uni, specifically a Russell Group uni. Does anyone know if I will be able to without fm? Has anyone studied maths at a russell group uni without fm themselves?

I am currently in Year 13 and I'm doing Maths, Physics and English Literature. I was not able to do Further Maths because it was not offered at my school. My teachers said I could teach it to myself (which I did try) but I wasn't able to as it really is a subject that you can't learn by yourself easily. I'm predicted an A* in maths and want to study maths at uni, specifically a Russell Group uni. Does anyone know if I will be able to without fm? Has anyone studied maths at a russell group uni without fm themselves?

Original post by goddam-orator

Heyyyy,

I am currently in Year 13 and I'm doing Maths, Physics and English Literature. I was not able to do Further Maths because it was not offered at my school. My teachers said I could teach it to myself (which I did try) but I wasn't able to as it really is a subject that you can't learn by yourself easily. I'm predicted an A* in maths and want to study maths at uni, specifically a Russell Group uni. Does anyone know if I will be able to without fm? Has anyone studied maths at a russell group uni without fm themselves?

I am currently in Year 13 and I'm doing Maths, Physics and English Literature. I was not able to do Further Maths because it was not offered at my school. My teachers said I could teach it to myself (which I did try) but I wasn't able to as it really is a subject that you can't learn by yourself easily. I'm predicted an A* in maths and want to study maths at uni, specifically a Russell Group uni. Does anyone know if I will be able to without fm? Has anyone studied maths at a russell group uni without fm themselves?

Hello, I'm not entirely sure about the Maths degree without Further Mathematics. I'm sure some unis do but they might not be Russell Group unis

This might help you though: https://amsp.org.uk/teachers/a-level-further-mathematics/student-tuition/

I know the Advanced Maths Support Programme (AMSP) have resources on their website for students whose schools don't offer Further Maths. Even if you don't take the A Level in the end, I think most expect you to have tried to expand your mathematical knowledge and reasoning (which is easier to show by taking Further Maths).

Original post by goddam-orator

Heyyyy,

I am currently in Year 13 and I'm doing Maths, Physics and English Literature. I was not able to do Further Maths because it was not offered at my school. My teachers said I could teach it to myself (which I did try) but I wasn't able to as it really is a subject that you can't learn by yourself easily. I'm predicted an A* in maths and want to study maths at uni, specifically a Russell Group uni. Does anyone know if I will be able to without fm? Has anyone studied maths at a russell group uni without fm themselves?

I am currently in Year 13 and I'm doing Maths, Physics and English Literature. I was not able to do Further Maths because it was not offered at my school. My teachers said I could teach it to myself (which I did try) but I wasn't able to as it really is a subject that you can't learn by yourself easily. I'm predicted an A* in maths and want to study maths at uni, specifically a Russell Group uni. Does anyone know if I will be able to without fm? Has anyone studied maths at a russell group uni without fm themselves?

You could easily do CP1, CP2, FM1 and one of FD1, FP1 or FS1. 🙂

Hey, It is definitely possible. I didn’t do further maths but I did make sure I at least taught myself the AS content and sat the AS exam, you can still do it without even the AS but the unis will ask for higher grades in other subjects.

Like if the standard offer is A*A*A which I think it was for Bristol then they might ask for A*A*A* with a good grade in one of the Oxford or Cambridge entrance exams.

I didn’t go to a Russel group but I did go to Bath which is ranked higher in maths than most Russel groups and I got offers from all the russel groups I applied to (other than Oxford ☹️), these were: Bristol, Southampton and Exeter.

It’s definitely possible, your personal statement should express your enthusiasm for maths at a very super curricular level, they want passion because otherwise you won’t make it through a maths degree just being “good at maths”.

I will say, however, that I’m quite concerned that you’ve said it’s hard to teach yourself further maths. Because at uni you will find that the ability to teach yourself maths far more complex and abstract than Alevel further maths is an essential skill, so if you are struggling now you must really ask if Uni maths is the right choice.

I don’t know what the deadline is so but you absolutely must apply to sit the MAT or STEP paper ASAP, your school will usually host this. STEP has further content so the MAT will be easier. But it Is absolutely your best bet at getting on a competitive maths course without further maths, most unis will ask for a good score to make up for the lack of further maths so without both your chances are small.

Good luck!

Like if the standard offer is A*A*A which I think it was for Bristol then they might ask for A*A*A* with a good grade in one of the Oxford or Cambridge entrance exams.

I didn’t go to a Russel group but I did go to Bath which is ranked higher in maths than most Russel groups and I got offers from all the russel groups I applied to (other than Oxford ☹️), these were: Bristol, Southampton and Exeter.

It’s definitely possible, your personal statement should express your enthusiasm for maths at a very super curricular level, they want passion because otherwise you won’t make it through a maths degree just being “good at maths”.

I will say, however, that I’m quite concerned that you’ve said it’s hard to teach yourself further maths. Because at uni you will find that the ability to teach yourself maths far more complex and abstract than Alevel further maths is an essential skill, so if you are struggling now you must really ask if Uni maths is the right choice.

I don’t know what the deadline is so but you absolutely must apply to sit the MAT or STEP paper ASAP, your school will usually host this. STEP has further content so the MAT will be easier. But it Is absolutely your best bet at getting on a competitive maths course without further maths, most unis will ask for a good score to make up for the lack of further maths so without both your chances are small.

Good luck!

Original post by JT70

Hey, It is definitely possible. I didn’t do further maths but I did make sure I at least taught myself the AS content and sat the AS exam, you can still do it without even the AS but the unis will ask for higher grades in other subjects.

Like if the standard offer is A*A*A which I think it was for Bristol then they might ask for A*A*A* with a good grade in one of the Oxford or Cambridge entrance exams.

I didn’t go to a Russel group but I did go to Bath which is ranked higher in maths than most Russel groups and I got offers from all the russel groups I applied to (other than Oxford ☹️), these were: Bristol, Southampton and Exeter.

It’s definitely possible, your personal statement should express your enthusiasm for maths at a very super curricular level, they want passion because otherwise you won’t make it through a maths degree just being “good at maths”.

I will say, however, that I’m quite concerned that you’ve said it’s hard to teach yourself further maths. Because at uni you will find that the ability to teach yourself maths far more complex and abstract than Alevel further maths is an essential skill, so if you are struggling now you must really ask if Uni maths is the right choice.

I don’t know what the deadline is so but you absolutely must apply to sit the MAT or STEP paper ASAP, your school will usually host this. STEP has further content so the MAT will be easier. But it Is absolutely your best bet at getting on a competitive maths course without further maths, most unis will ask for a good score to make up for the lack of further maths so without both your chances are small.

Good luck!

Like if the standard offer is A*A*A which I think it was for Bristol then they might ask for A*A*A* with a good grade in one of the Oxford or Cambridge entrance exams.

I didn’t go to a Russel group but I did go to Bath which is ranked higher in maths than most Russel groups and I got offers from all the russel groups I applied to (other than Oxford ☹️), these were: Bristol, Southampton and Exeter.

It’s definitely possible, your personal statement should express your enthusiasm for maths at a very super curricular level, they want passion because otherwise you won’t make it through a maths degree just being “good at maths”.

I will say, however, that I’m quite concerned that you’ve said it’s hard to teach yourself further maths. Because at uni you will find that the ability to teach yourself maths far more complex and abstract than Alevel further maths is an essential skill, so if you are struggling now you must really ask if Uni maths is the right choice.

I don’t know what the deadline is so but you absolutely must apply to sit the MAT or STEP paper ASAP, your school will usually host this. STEP has further content so the MAT will be easier. But it Is absolutely your best bet at getting on a competitive maths course without further maths, most unis will ask for a good score to make up for the lack of further maths so without both your chances are small.

Good luck!

Just a quick note on this, if you need to sit MAT or TMUA by any chance, they've changed it this year so that you can't sit the papers at your school anymore. It has to be at a designated exam centre and you book via Pearson VUE. I'm not entirely sure about any other maths admissions tests

Original post by JT70

Hey, It is definitely possible. I didn’t do further maths but I did make sure I at least taught myself the AS content and sat the AS exam, you can still do it without even the AS but the unis will ask for higher grades in other subjects.

Like if the standard offer is A*A*A which I think it was for Bristol then they might ask for A*A*A* with a good grade in one of the Oxford or Cambridge entrance exams.

I didn’t go to a Russel group but I did go to Bath which is ranked higher in maths than most Russel groups and I got offers from all the russel groups I applied to (other than Oxford ☹️), these were: Bristol, Southampton and Exeter.

It’s definitely possible, your personal statement should express your enthusiasm for maths at a very super curricular level, they want passion because otherwise you won’t make it through a maths degree just being “good at maths”.

I will say, however, that I’m quite concerned that you’ve said it’s hard to teach yourself further maths. Because at uni you will find that the ability to teach yourself maths far more complex and abstract than Alevel further maths is an essential skill, so if you are struggling now you must really ask if Uni maths is the right choice.

I don’t know what the deadline is so but you absolutely must apply to sit the MAT or STEP paper ASAP, your school will usually host this. STEP has further content so the MAT will be easier. But it Is absolutely your best bet at getting on a competitive maths course without further maths, most unis will ask for a good score to make up for the lack of further maths so without both your chances are small.

Good luck!

Like if the standard offer is A*A*A which I think it was for Bristol then they might ask for A*A*A* with a good grade in one of the Oxford or Cambridge entrance exams.

I didn’t go to a Russel group but I did go to Bath which is ranked higher in maths than most Russel groups and I got offers from all the russel groups I applied to (other than Oxford ☹️), these were: Bristol, Southampton and Exeter.

It’s definitely possible, your personal statement should express your enthusiasm for maths at a very super curricular level, they want passion because otherwise you won’t make it through a maths degree just being “good at maths”.

I will say, however, that I’m quite concerned that you’ve said it’s hard to teach yourself further maths. Because at uni you will find that the ability to teach yourself maths far more complex and abstract than Alevel further maths is an essential skill, so if you are struggling now you must really ask if Uni maths is the right choice.

I don’t know what the deadline is so but you absolutely must apply to sit the MAT or STEP paper ASAP, your school will usually host this. STEP has further content so the MAT will be easier. But it Is absolutely your best bet at getting on a competitive maths course without further maths, most unis will ask for a good score to make up for the lack of further maths so without both your chances are small.

Good luck!

Thanks for the advice!

The majority of unis don't actually require A level further maths to study maths, surprisingly! I know Sheffield don't, and I can't imagine York do, and those are both russell group (not sure if you're aiming for higher russell group though).

Honestly, don't give up on self-teaching - maths / further maths is one of the easier subjects to self-teach, as it is objective, and there are thousands of resources out there to help guide you. The textbooks can be found online for free (just search a level maths textbook pdf) and PMT has loads of practise papers / questions. It might take a few sessions to get into the rhythm / mindset of self-teaching but it is completely doable - I am self-teaching the further stats 2 module, and am getting on just fine.

Good luck with everything!

Honestly, don't give up on self-teaching - maths / further maths is one of the easier subjects to self-teach, as it is objective, and there are thousands of resources out there to help guide you. The textbooks can be found online for free (just search a level maths textbook pdf) and PMT has loads of practise papers / questions. It might take a few sessions to get into the rhythm / mindset of self-teaching but it is completely doable - I am self-teaching the further stats 2 module, and am getting on just fine.

Good luck with everything!

You can get into some pretty good unis for maths without FM, just not the very best ones.

Original post by shinyduck21

The majority of unis don't actually require A level further maths to study maths, surprisingly! I know Sheffield don't, and I can't imagine York do, and those are both russell group (not sure if you're aiming for higher russell group though).

Honestly, don't give up on self-teaching - maths / further maths is one of the easier subjects to self-teach, as it is objective, and there are thousands of resources out there to help guide you. The textbooks can be found online for free (just search a level maths textbook pdf) and PMT has loads of practise papers / questions. It might take a few sessions to get into the rhythm / mindset of self-teaching but it is completely doable - I am self-teaching the further stats 2 module, and am getting on just fine.

Good luck with everything!

Honestly, don't give up on self-teaching - maths / further maths is one of the easier subjects to self-teach, as it is objective, and there are thousands of resources out there to help guide you. The textbooks can be found online for free (just search a level maths textbook pdf) and PMT has loads of practise papers / questions. It might take a few sessions to get into the rhythm / mindset of self-teaching but it is completely doable - I am self-teaching the further stats 2 module, and am getting on just fine.

Good luck with everything!

Thank you so much! I’ve started teaching myself further maths again and I’m getting the hang of it now.

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