Law degree or conversion as a mature student
Hey everyone,
So for background I am a mature student (early twenties) doing Access to HE who is considering a law career either as a solicitor or barrister.
Because of my age, and since I am a mature student returning to education, I have been debating whether to go and do a straight LLB or study something else and do a conversion. Both have their pros and cons, and people I’ve spoken with have mixed views.
Problem is I am working class and would not be able to afford this conversion course, and I don’t really want to take a masters to fund it as may need this for other wuaoifica (SQE for example)- this means it is only an option for me if a firm pays for it.
But from my own personal point of view, I think I’d prefer the non-law then conversion (I’m thinking of doing psychology or another social science / humanities subject) I would likely enjoy the degree more and would probably allow more free time for a part time job and being a part of societies etc.
I have worked as a receptionist, admin and customer service for a legal firm over the past two years so in a way, I already have a bit of legal experience under my belt.
So for background I am a mature student (early twenties) doing Access to HE who is considering a law career either as a solicitor or barrister.
Because of my age, and since I am a mature student returning to education, I have been debating whether to go and do a straight LLB or study something else and do a conversion. Both have their pros and cons, and people I’ve spoken with have mixed views.
Problem is I am working class and would not be able to afford this conversion course, and I don’t really want to take a masters to fund it as may need this for other wuaoifica (SQE for example)- this means it is only an option for me if a firm pays for it.
But from my own personal point of view, I think I’d prefer the non-law then conversion (I’m thinking of doing psychology or another social science / humanities subject) I would likely enjoy the degree more and would probably allow more free time for a part time job and being a part of societies etc.
I have worked as a receptionist, admin and customer service for a legal firm over the past two years so in a way, I already have a bit of legal experience under my belt.
Reply 1
Social class should be no impediment. There are various ways to fund the PGDL if you don't obtain funding from a law firm or set of chambers.
There used to be a book called the Directory of Grant Making Trusts. It might have an equivalent online. Check the City Livery companies: many have charities to assist people studying for a profession. I was helped by the Mercers and the Skinners.
The Inns of Court provide a limited number of competitive scholarships for those training for the Bar.
It is possible to do a part time job while studying for the PGDL. I worked in a coffee shop and did a bit of university teaching while doing my Diploma. Barista to barrister can be a thing.
If you borrow the money and make it into practice as a lawyer you should have no difficulty in repaying the loan. That's a good return on financed expenditure.
I think that it's better to study the subject you most wish to study and, if that subject is not law, take a PGDL if you wish to become a lawyer.
Good luck!
There used to be a book called the Directory of Grant Making Trusts. It might have an equivalent online. Check the City Livery companies: many have charities to assist people studying for a profession. I was helped by the Mercers and the Skinners.
The Inns of Court provide a limited number of competitive scholarships for those training for the Bar.
It is possible to do a part time job while studying for the PGDL. I worked in a coffee shop and did a bit of university teaching while doing my Diploma. Barista to barrister can be a thing.
If you borrow the money and make it into practice as a lawyer you should have no difficulty in repaying the loan. That's a good return on financed expenditure.
I think that it's better to study the subject you most wish to study and, if that subject is not law, take a PGDL if you wish to become a lawyer.
Good luck!
Original post by Stiffy Byng
Social class should be no impediment. There are various ways to fund the PGDL if you don't obtain funding from a law firm or set of chambers.
There used to be a book called the Directory of Grant Making Trusts. It might have an equivalent online. Check the City Livery companies: many have charities to assist people studying for a profession. I was helped by the Mercers and the Skinners.
The Inns of Court provide a limited number of competitive scholarships for those training for the Bar.
It is possible to do a part time job while studying for the PGDL. I worked in a coffee shop and did a bit of university teaching while doing my Diploma. Barista to barrister can be a thing.
If you borrow the money and make it into practice as a lawyer you should have no difficulty in repaying the loan. That's a good return on financed expenditure.
I think that it's better to study the subject you most wish to study and, if that subject is not law, take a PGDL if you wish to become a lawyer.
Good luck!
There used to be a book called the Directory of Grant Making Trusts. It might have an equivalent online. Check the City Livery companies: many have charities to assist people studying for a profession. I was helped by the Mercers and the Skinners.
The Inns of Court provide a limited number of competitive scholarships for those training for the Bar.
It is possible to do a part time job while studying for the PGDL. I worked in a coffee shop and did a bit of university teaching while doing my Diploma. Barista to barrister can be a thing.
If you borrow the money and make it into practice as a lawyer you should have no difficulty in repaying the loan. That's a good return on financed expenditure.
I think that it's better to study the subject you most wish to study and, if that subject is not law, take a PGDL if you wish to become a lawyer.
Good luck!
This is incredibly useful info, thank you so much!
I had no idea such a thing as livery companies even existed, much less that they could provide financial aid. I have done a quick google search and found the two charities you mentioned. I will have to do some more digging on this, is there a particular process you followed or do you just apply to all of them and see which one agrees to offer funding?
Thank you I have found a 2024 copy of the book and website for Directory of Grant Making Trusts. I will have a look and see which ones I am eligible for.
I am aware about the Inns of Court scholarships, they are extremely competitive but I guess no harm in applying if I decide to become a barrister.
Do you happen to know anything about the Aspiring Solicitors Network? I heard from someone they also offer a limited number of scholarships for some qualifications based on certain characteristics of the applicant ( gender race class LGBT disabled etc)
Reply 3
You're welcome. There are several livery companies, and all or most of them may have charitable funds available. I just wrote letters to various charities on spec (but that was long ago, before websites and emails and such like).
I don't know about the Aspiring Solicitors Network. Awarding or not awarding scholarships based on protected characteristics might in some circumstances be unlawful. By the way, gender is not a protected characteristic. Sex is a protected characteristic.
I don't know about the Aspiring Solicitors Network. Awarding or not awarding scholarships based on protected characteristics might in some circumstances be unlawful. By the way, gender is not a protected characteristic. Sex is a protected characteristic.
Reply 4
Original post by poetic
Hey everyone,
So for background I am a mature student (early twenties) doing Access to HE who is considering a law career either as a solicitor or barrister.
Because of my age, and since I am a mature student returning to education, I have been debating whether to go and do a straight LLB or study something else and do a conversion. Both have their pros and cons, and people I’ve spoken with have mixed views.
Problem is I am working class and would not be able to afford this conversion course, and I don’t really want to take a masters to fund it as may need this for other wuaoifica (SQE for example)- this means it is only an option for me if a firm pays for it.
But from my own personal point of view, I think I’d prefer the non-law then conversion (I’m thinking of doing psychology or another social science / humanities subject) I would likely enjoy the degree more and would probably allow more free time for a part time job and being a part of societies etc.
I have worked as a receptionist, admin and customer service for a legal firm over the past two years so in a way, I already have a bit of legal experience under my belt.
So for background I am a mature student (early twenties) doing Access to HE who is considering a law career either as a solicitor or barrister.
Because of my age, and since I am a mature student returning to education, I have been debating whether to go and do a straight LLB or study something else and do a conversion. Both have their pros and cons, and people I’ve spoken with have mixed views.
Problem is I am working class and would not be able to afford this conversion course, and I don’t really want to take a masters to fund it as may need this for other wuaoifica (SQE for example)- this means it is only an option for me if a firm pays for it.
But from my own personal point of view, I think I’d prefer the non-law then conversion (I’m thinking of doing psychology or another social science / humanities subject) I would likely enjoy the degree more and would probably allow more free time for a part time job and being a part of societies etc.
I have worked as a receptionist, admin and customer service for a legal firm over the past two years so in a way, I already have a bit of legal experience under my belt.
Hey @poetic!🌟
It’s fantastic to hear that you’re thinking about a career in law! I know it can be tough deciding whether to go straight into an LLB Law degree or do something like psychology first and then take a conversion course later. The most important thing is to study what you’re truly passionate about. If you’re leaning towards psychology or another subject, that’s totally okay! You can always do a conversion course in law afterward, and the University of Essex has a perfect option for that! 🌟
We offer the LLB Law (Senior Status), which works as a conversion course for those who’ve already completed an undergraduate degree in another subject. It’s a two-year course that covers all the core areas of law, like criminal law, contract law, and constitutional law, but at an accelerated pace. This means you’ll graduate with a full law degree, giving you the same qualifications and opportunities as someone who studied law from the start! 🏛️⚖️
This route is perfect if you want to explore your other interests first (like psychology) and then transition into law later. Plus, having another degree under your belt can give you a unique perspective in law, which can be really valuable, especially in fields like criminal, family, or mental health law where an understanding of psychology can be a huge asset.
In terms of employment opportunities, the LLB Law (Senior Status) prepares you for a range of exciting careers—whether you want to become a solicitor, barrister, or work in a different legal role like policy advising or corporate law. With a law degree from Essex, you’ll be well-equipped to go on to further study, such as the Legal Practice Course (LPC) or Bar Training Course (BTC), or start gaining legal work experience. 🚀💼
You’ll be part of Essex Law School, which is known for its innovative teaching and commitment to human rights and social justice. The Law School is home to amazing opportunities, like our Law Clinic, where you can gain hands-on experience by helping real clients. It’s a great way to develop practical legal skills while making a real difference in people’s lives. Plus, we offer mooting and debating competitions, so you can practice your advocacy skills! 🏆✨
And of course, the University of Essex is a fantastic place to study. We’re a vibrant, diverse community where students from all around the world come together to learn, grow, and make lifelong connections. Whether you’re interested in joining a student society, exploring our beautiful campus, or just enjoying the Essex experience, you’ll feel right at home here. 🌍🎓
Ultimately, whether you choose to study law from the start or do a different degree and then pursue law, the key is to follow what you love. You’ll be able to achieve your career goals either way—and Essex is here to support you on your journey! 😊
If you have any more questions or want to chat more about the course or career options, feel free to reach out! I’m happy to help!
Best wishes,
Essex Student Rep - Renaldas✌️
Original post by Stiffy Byng
You're welcome. There are several livery companies, and all or most of them may have charitable funds available. I just wrote letters to various charities on spec (but that was long ago, before websites and emails and such like).
I don't know about the Aspiring Solicitors Network. Awarding or not awarding scholarships based on protected characteristics might in some circumstances be unlawful. By the way, gender is not a protected characteristic. Sex is a protected characteristic.
I don't know about the Aspiring Solicitors Network. Awarding or not awarding scholarships based on protected characteristics might in some circumstances be unlawful. By the way, gender is not a protected characteristic. Sex is a protected characteristic.
Oh I see. So if it’s not otherwise clear which livery companies have the charitable funds, would it be best to just email the livery companies to confirm.
Surprised gender is not a protected characteristic but sex is. I wonder why that is?
Also (not doubting you just curious)why would it be unlawful to award based on protected characteristics if these are known or considered to be disadvantaged groups (like LGBT or BAME for example )?
Reply 6
The Livery Companies might have information about charitable activities on their websites. They are the modern successors of medieval trade guilds.
Sex is a protected characteristic because it is an objective thing based on biology. Gender, by contrast, is a social construct with no objective existence. Gender reassignment, as defined in the Equality Act 2010, is a protected characteristic.
Most forms of positive discrimination are unlawful, but there are some exceptions as set out in the 2010 Act and these could sometimes be relied on by charities.
Sex is a protected characteristic because it is an objective thing based on biology. Gender, by contrast, is a social construct with no objective existence. Gender reassignment, as defined in the Equality Act 2010, is a protected characteristic.
Most forms of positive discrimination are unlawful, but there are some exceptions as set out in the 2010 Act and these could sometimes be relied on by charities.
Reply 7
PS - If interested in the topic, have a look at Professor Rosa Freedman's chapter "Sex and Gender in Law" in this book -
https://www.routledge.com/Sex-and-Gender-A-Contemporary-Reader/Sullivan-Todd/p/book/9781032261201
https://www.routledge.com/Sex-and-Gender-A-Contemporary-Reader/Sullivan-Todd/p/book/9781032261201
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