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How much more Austerity can we take?

We’ve already endured 14 years of brutal austerity. Severe cuts to public services, benefits, NHS education etc. Now Starmer & Reeves have forced on us another 5 years of severe austerity totally 19 years. In addition to scrapping winter fuel allowance for most elderly, there are severe cuts to welfare, plans to scrap disability benefits, NHS, education etc and many other public services. When will this ever end? It certainly will not win labour the next election because people have had more than enough, they will have alienated most of their traditional voters many of whom are already flocking to Reform UK. It’s inevitable that we will get a Tory Reform UK coalition in 5 years who will also impose a massive austerity program but on an ideological basis.
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Reply 1

Original post by Ambitious1999
We’ve already endured 14 years of brutal austerity. Severe cuts to public services, benefits, NHS education etc. Now Starmer & Reeves have forced on us another 5 years of severe austerity totally 19 years. In addition to scrapping winter fuel allowance for most elderly, there are severe cuts to welfare, plans to scrap disability benefits, NHS, education etc and many other public services. When will this ever end? It certainly will not win labour the next election because people have had more than enough, they will have alienated most of their traditional voters many of whom are already flocking to Reform UK. It’s inevitable that we will get a Tory Reform UK coalition in 5 years who will also impose a massive austerity program but on an ideological basis.

It's true.

In 14 years my public sector salary has only risen 3.1x. Surely should have risen 10x in that time if it hadn't been for austerity.

Reply 2

I'm still struggling to blame Labour for all this, they were always going to have to make genuinely unpopular choices, although some of those choices might simply suck. Likewise I don't see any of this driving any logical voter back to the Tories since the dust of their chaos hasn't even settled.

Reply 3

Original post by StriderHort
I'm still struggling to blame Labour for all this, they were always going to have to make genuinely unpopular choices, although some of those choices might simply suck. Likewise I don't see any of this driving any logical voter back to the Tories since the dust of their chaos hasn't even settled.

I think Reform are the only sensible party that will genuinely help get this country back to the great country it was.

Reply 4

Original post by Ambitious1999
I think Reform are the only sensible party that will genuinely help get this country back to the great country it was.

When was that?

Reply 5

Original post by Ambitious1999
I think Reform are the only sensible party that will genuinely help get this country back to the great country it was.

Isn't page four of the Reform contract for 5% austerity...?

'Save £5 in every £100
Every department must slash wasteful spending,
cut bureaucracy, improve efficiency and negotiate
better value procurement without touching
frontline services. This will save £50 billion per year,
ensure tax cuts and boost our economy.'

Reply 6

Labour have already lost the next election with lies after lies. Incredible, wolfs in sheep's clothing; we should all give the greens a chance or at the very least the Lib Dems.

Reply 7

Original post by random_matt
Labour have already lost the next election with lies after lies. Incredible, wolfs in sheep's clothing; we should all give the greens a chance or at the very least the Lib Dems.

The Greens and Lib Dems were both rubbish when in power.

Reply 8

Original post by Quady
The Greens and Lib Dems were both rubbish when in power.

So are the Tories and so far, Labour! Maybe being in power is hard because everyone has higher expectations than you can deliver and you can never please everyone.

Under a Tory government, the Lib Dems gave us free school meals for KS1, tax free savings and moved the tax free threshold from £4k to around £10k. They also gave us a vote on voting reform which ironically was being talked up again a lot before the last election. In that same period, the Tories gave us Brexit and look at the car crash that was.
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Reply 9

Original post by hotpud
So are the Tories and so far, Labour! Maybe being in power is hard because everyone has higher expectations than you can deliver and you can never please everyone.
Under a Tory government, the Lib Dems gave us free school meals for KS1, tax free savings and moved the tax free threshold from £4k to around £10k. They also gave us a vote on voting reform which ironically was being talked up again a lot before the last election. In that same period, the Tories gave us Brexit and look at the car crash that was.

Tax free savings...?

The personal allowance was £6,475 in FY10/11, £10,600 in FY15/16.

The Lib Dems gave us £9k tuition fees too.

Brexit was after that period, following the 2015 General Election and the collapse in Lib Dem seats.

Reply 10

Original post by Quady
Tax free savings...?
The personal allowance was £6,475 in FY10/11, £10,600 in FY15/16.
The Lib Dems gave us £9k tuition fees too.
Brexit was after that period, following the 2015 General Election and the collapse in Lib Dem seats.

The Lib Dems didn't give 9.5k tuition fees. That was the Tories. It was a compromise the Lib Dems had to make for their referendum on AV. I take your point regarding £6k to 10k personal limit. Still better than a kick in the teeth and both of my kids benefitted from their free school meals policy.

If you think of the sh1t show the Tories have rained down on us over the last 14 years, I don't think it is fair to blame the Lib Dems for the small positive changes they did make that actually had an impact. I know someone who did a thesis on Michael Gove's education reforms. He concluded it had absolutely no impact on outcomes whatsoever. The only measurable difference was in teacher recruitment and retainment which is at dire levels. Sums up the Tories all over really.

Reply 11

I totally get where you're coming from. It’s disheartening to see how austerity affects everyone, especially those who rely on public services. I know people who are really struggling with cuts to welfare and education. It’s like they’re stuck in a cycle that never ends. If Labour keeps this up, they might lose a lot of their traditional supporters, and I wouldn't be surprised if more people start turning to Reform UK. It feels like we're all just waiting to see how this plays out, but it’s frustrating to think that things could get even tougher in the next few years.

Reply 12

Original post by hotpud
The Lib Dems didn't give 9.5k tuition fees. That was the Tories. It was a compromise the Lib Dems had to make for their referendum on AV. I take your point regarding £6k to 10k personal limit. Still better than a kick in the teeth and both of my kids benefitted from their free school meals policy.
If you think of the sh1t show the Tories have rained down on us over the last 14 years, I don't think it is fair to blame the Lib Dems for the small positive changes they did make that actually had an impact. I know someone who did a thesis on Michael Gove's education reforms. He concluded it had absolutely no impact on outcomes whatsoever. The only measurable difference was in teacher recruitment and retainment which is at dire levels. Sums up the Tories all over really.

I might've got my facts wrong but:

Wasn't it a Lib Dem Secretary of State that proposed the tuition fees legislation to parliament?

Didn't the Lib Dems have the right to abstain from voting on tuition fees in the coalition agreement, but then whiped their MPs to vote for it?


What was your point on tax free savings? That wasn't mentioned in their 2010 manifesto, so what did the Lib Dems do?

Reply 13

Original post by Quady
I might've got my facts wrong but:

Wasn't it a Lib Dem Secretary of State that proposed the tuition fees legislation to parliament?

Didn't the Lib Dems have the right to abstain from voting on tuition fees in the coalition agreement, but then whiped their MPs to vote for it?


What was your point on tax free savings? That wasn't mentioned in their 2010 manifesto, so what did the Lib Dems do?

The Lib Dems went into the 2010 election on the promise of abolishing tuition fees completely. They had to compromise on that point to as they moved into coalition in return for being given a referendum on the Alternative Vote. They never proposed the introduction of fees. That was a Tory policy. However, they took the hit for it because of the fact they were seen by some as having sold out. It was classic Tory politicking skulduggery. The Lib Dems were the fall guys for an unpopular Tory policy. In a way it was genius from a Tory perspective.

Reply 14

Original post by hotpud
The Lib Dems went into the 2010 election on the promise of abolishing tuition fees completely. They had to compromise on that point to as they moved into coalition in return for being given a referendum on the Alternative Vote. They never proposed the introduction of fees. That was a Tory policy. However, they took the hit for it because of the fact they were seen by some as having sold out. It was classic Tory politicking skulduggery. The Lib Dems were the fall guys for an unpopular Tory policy. In a way it was genius from a Tory perspective.

Thats not what the coalition agreement said though is it?

Unless my source has the text wrong...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8677933.stm#:~:text=The%20web%20page%20shows%20the%20agreements%20reached%20between%20the%20Conservatives
...then it read:

'If the response of the Government to Lord Browne's report is one that Liberal Democrats cannot accept, then arrangements will be made to enable Liberal Democrat MPs to abstain in any vote.'

So how did they 'have to compromise on that point as they moved into coalition'? They chose to vote for fees, the coalition agreement gave leeway to abstain. They didn't abstain.

When you say they never proposed the rise in fees are you disputing the parliamentary transcript?

'The Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills (Vince Cable): I beg to move,
That, for the purpose of section 24 of the Higher Education Act 2004, the higher amount should be increased to £9,000, and to £4,500 in the cases described in regulation 5 of the draft regulations in Command Paper Cm 7986, and that the increase should take effect from 1 September 2012.'
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmhansrd/cm101209/debtext/101209-0002.htm

That followed Vince the Cable on the publication of the Browne Report:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/oral-statement-from-business-secretary-vince-cable
Given the UK’s voting history I can confidently say that they’ll put up with an absolute shower for at least 12 years before getting fed up.

Reply 16

Original post by Admit-One
Given the UK’s voting history I can confidently say that they’ll put up with an absolute shower for at least 12 years before getting fed up.

Blitz Spirit! We can go for 15!
Original post by StriderHort
Blitz Spirit! We can go for 15!


Those WWII “Dig for victory!” poster designs are just sitting there.

Reply 18

Original post by Admit-One
Those WWII “Dig for victory!” poster designs are just sitting there.

Dig For Dirt! has a ring to it and is a lectern friendly 3 short words, you could probably use the same clip art.

Reply 19

Original post by StriderHort
I'm still struggling to blame Labour for all this, they were always going to have to make genuinely unpopular choices, although some of those choices might simply suck. Likewise I don't see any of this driving any logical voter back to the Tories since the dust of their chaos hasn't even settled.

they're running with the "unpopular decisions" line but really this is out of cowardice

they'd rather make a decision that's unpopular with the electorate (austerity) than a decision that's unpopular with their donors (raise capital gains tax for the super rich... which includes their biggest donors)

austerity is never a practical solution, not really

means testing is an expensive process, invariably more expensive than just giving people money

increasing assessments for disability welfare claimants is even more expensive, and he's pushing for that too

after the 2008 crash, the UK took far longer than other EU countries to recover - said countries did not bring in austerity.. we did

economists are pointing out that this is the opposite of what you need to do to stimulate economic growth and he's ignoring them

they're in the pocket of policy exchange now, the same as the tories, the same as reform - they sold out to the same think tanks and are gonna behave the same way

also the whole "driving people back to the tories" is predicated on the idea people went from the tories to labour.. which they didn't

labour lost votes compared to 2019, not just nationally, but even within constituencies where they won

what happened was the tory vote got split with reform, and the VAST majority of the electorate (even more than usual) didn't vote at all

labour won by default and they're already falling apart from the inside

but farage galvanises people

if farage agrees to a coalition, or joins the conservatives and makes a leadership bid, labour will be done

me, I'm gettting out of the UK once I get my MA anyway cus the government's coming after me regardless of the party in power (I'm trans - it's only getting worse for us) but anyone staying here, you can't rest on your laurels with this one

starmer's popularity is tanking because he refuses point blank to propose anything that will bring meaningful change

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