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this thread is for those who earn enough (£80+ a week i think) to be paying NICs or income tax. how do you feel when you see that a significant chunk of your wages has been magicked away by mr gordon brown? i bring this up because having recently started a full time job its a shock to me being paid less than what im 'supposed' to be according to my hourly rate.
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this thread is for those who earn enough (£80+ a week i think) to be paying NICs or income tax. how do you feel when you see that a significant chunk of your wages has been magicked away by mr gordon brown? i bring this up because having recently started a full time job its a shock to me being paid less than what im 'supposed' to be according to my hourly rate.
Welcome to the real world of responsibility.

(I'm not actually there yet, so I can't tell you about it).

On a more serious note - I prefer moderate taxation as long as the money is well spent. There are many countries where socialist economic policy works well.
However, after 17 year of conservative under-funding, the switch between low-taxation and significantly-increased taxation has been bad.
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It's the same over here and it really sucks.
The more I earn the more they take.
At least we get some back on returns. (I emphasise some.)
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Welcome to the real world of responsibility.

(I'm not actually there yet, so I can't tell you about it).

On a more serious note - I prefer moderate taxation as long as the money is well spent. There are many countries where socialist economic policy works well.
However, after 17 year of conservative under-funding, the switch between low-taxation and significantly-increased taxation has been bad.
i dont object to paying moderate amounts of taxes but im annoyed in feeling that much of my money is being wasted on things like the ballooning NHS bureacracy. keep taxes low i say: lowest for the poor and moderate for the rich.
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i dont object to paying moderate amounts of taxes but im annoyed in feeling that much of my money is being wasted on things like the ballooning NHS bureacracy. keep taxes low i say: lowest for the poor and moderate for the rich.
Taxes high - low for the poor, high for the rich.

Private services are good in the short-term (when trying to impress) but when profiteering sets in, the services suffer serverely. eg. the Thatcher years.
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It's the same over here and it really sucks.
The more I earn the more they take.
At least we get some back on returns. (I emphasise some.)
Americans have low taxation.
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Americans have low taxation.
and they do very well with it that way.
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I wouldn't being taxed if I knew that my money was being spent wisley.. I don't think it is though. They shouldn't tax us poor students.. they should tax the rich who find loopholes to get out of paying a lot of it.. :mad:
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and they do very well with it that way.
... was that before or after the recession threat?
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this thread is for those who earn enough (£80+ a week i think) to be paying NICs or income tax. how do you feel when you see that a significant chunk of your wages has been magicked away by mr gordon brown? i bring this up because having recently started a full time job its a shock to me being paid less than what im 'supposed' to be according to my hourly rate.
Personally I have absolutely no problem with it. It did come as a bit of a shock at first...but now I simply ignore the specifics of the deductions and check the net pay figure...I just automatically calculate in my head that £12,000 doesn't = £1000pm it's more like £650 etc etc.

I feel I get value for money for my contributions...my husband is a regular user of the NHS and gets non income-related disability living allowance (which means we get to share a brand new car every few yrs for a couple of £k with the insurance, servicing and breakdown cover already paid). I pay into a company pension (and have done since I got this job at the age of 22) and don't expect to need any help supporting myself in retirement but at the same time don't find that a disincentive to save.

I'm happy to pay towards educating the nations children well (even though I'm not planning to add to their number) as I feel this will improve our society and our economy.

I'm happy to pay towards tax credits for those on low incomes as I feel keeping people off relying on benefits and getting children out of poverty will also improve our society and our economy.

I'm happy to pay towards the pensions of those who didn't have the chance to save or who were promised they wouldn't need to...I feel endebted to the older generations for all they have done for this country and feel they deserve support wherever they need it.

I'm happy to pay for refuse collection/policing/streetlamps/home care/road cleaning/maintenance. Although I would like a limit on refuse collection that is non-recycleable and I would like to see home care mainly funded through the NHS and I would like to see the council getting rid of parking subsidies for employees who do not need a car to do their job.
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this thread is for those who earn enough (£80+ a week i think) to be paying NICs or income tax. how do you feel when you see that a significant chunk of your wages has been magicked away by mr gordon brown? i bring this up because having recently started a full time job its a shock to me being paid less than what im 'supposed' to be according to my hourly rate.
BTW edders - are you sure you aren't tax exempt - the £80 a week (or whatever it is) is for annual earning - ie if you're earning more than that every week of the yr. If you're annually earning less that a certain amount (can't remember of the top of my head but I think it's around £3k ish) then you can sign a declaration and pay zero tax.

Checked and it's £4,615 a yr you're allowed (£88.75 a week if you work every week of the yr)
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Personally I have absolutely no problem with it...
thanks for that post queenie. do you find that these services you mention have improved since 1997; ie the extra money youre paying every year (an average £1000 a year extra now for middling families i think i read somewhere) is being put to good use?
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BTW edders - are you sure you aren't tax exempt - the £80 a week (or whatever it is) is for annual earning - ie if you're earning more than that every week of the yr. If you're annually earning less that a certain amount (can't remember of the top of my head but I think it's around £3k ish) then you can sign a declaration and pay zero tax.

Checked and it's £4,615 a yr you're allowed (£88.75 a week if you work every week of the yr)
hmm well my supervisor (not the brightest of people i get the impression) reckons i need to pay a 1/5 of what i earn. but i am only working for a month so im going to contact the IR to clarify that.
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and they do very well with it that way.
Emmmmmm, define "very well".
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Its not very nice, I hate tax and NIC. I just got paid today 542.13 pounds or something, working weekends, on sales, b*****. I dont mind paying taxes and NIC, but when I hear stories about how some families are raking it from the dogh, it just quite frankly annoys me.

'Oh, I have depression, therefore I cant work for 2 years'
'I have 12 kids therefore I am entitled to 50 grand in benefits'

People like that really annoy me, as well as those that claim and work. :mad:
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thanks for that post queenie. do you find that these services you mention have improved since 1997; ie the extra money youre paying every year (an average £1000 a year extra now for middling families i think i read somewhere) is being put to good use?
The service that my other half has recieved through the NHS has improved tremendously. He paid for his first 2 wheelchair out of his own money (at ~£1500 a pop) in the last 2 years the NHS has made a concerted effort to get him back into the system (he was diagnosed at 16 and then basically ignored :mad: ) and to get him all that he's entitled to which has resulted in a new wheelchair towards which the NHS paid £1000 and he paid £1500 meaning he has a wheelchair that improves his posture (saves NHS money on future problems) and makes him far far more mobile. He's also got an occupational therapist who knows how to use email :eek:

Of course he still has physio in a room in a hospital with a door not wide enough to fit a wheelchair through (it's got a small single door that needs to be opened as well :rolleyes: ).

Also the Disability Discrimination Act (1995...a tory jobby but the different sections of the act have been implimented since 97...so it's tory words and labour actions (and I have problems with the words as they follow the medical model of disability but that's a whole other essay)) has started to make life more straight forward....although we will still never be able to hop on a train without providing 24 hours notice...even when all the trains have come under the legislation in 2020 (yes that's right 2020...the same as for buses and taxis). However it does mean we get to moan loudly when struggling with steps/thick carpet/patronising idiots and bouncers muttering about fire risks

On top of this I nagged him (and filled in the forms for him) to claim the second part of the disability benefit he is entitled to which means he now gets an extra £30 a week income (and a wopping £10 bonus at christmas :eek: ).

To be honest in 97 I was entering uni so I havent experience the dropping income due to taxation...I did experience a small drop when the 1% increase in NI hit in April...tbh I was expecting it to be noticable...I think I ended up with about £2 less in my paycheck that month so was pleasantly surprised.
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anyone else here who are for flat taxation?
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anyone else here who are for flat taxation?
No (I'm only answering for me of course, not everyone else)
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Its not very nice, I hate tax and NIC. I just got paid today 542.13 pounds or something, working weekends, on sales, b*****. I dont mind paying taxes and NIC, but when I hear stories about how some families are raking it from the dogh, it just quite frankly annoys me.

'Oh, I have depression, therefore I cant work for 2 years'
'I have 12 kids therefore I am entitled to 50 grand in benefits'

People like that really annoy me, as well as those that claim and work. :mad:
Oooh don't get me started on the claim and work scum...especially with tax credits there really is *no* excuse anymore (ie the "if I worked I'd be worse off" excuse is just one stinking pile pf crap now).

And as for people claiming "invalidity" when they're not I'd quite like to kick their arses for them..."I've got a dodgy knee so I can't work anymore" Crap! my other half is a full time wheelchair user and has never claimed a days dole in his life.

I would like to see job seekers allowance more rigourously enforced and I would like to see malingerers well and truly punished.
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anyone else here who are for flat taxation?
Not me.

If I was earning £100k I'd be more than happy for half of it go towards the society that got me there in the first place...and to make sure that people working their arses off for £5ph pay as little tax as possible.
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