How long can most people go without binging?
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Original post by Anonymous
I know my drinking is considered to be at a harmful level, I also know that most other uni students, and many other people, drink the same, if not more, than I do. Few people live a perfect 100% healthy lifestyle and never slip up. My question was whether it's normal to feel the cravings to binge eat/drink as often as I do.
Well then statistically the answer is no, because it must be quite some way below that 16% figure.
I would think binge eating is even less, as there isn’t really that social aspect. People eat poor diets for sure, but I don’t know that they sporadically gorge themselves.
Original post by Admit-One
Well then statistically the answer is no, because it must be quite some way below that 16% figure.
I would think binge eating is even less, as there isn’t really that social aspect. People eat poor diets for sure, but I don’t know that they sporadically gorge themselves.
I would think binge eating is even less, as there isn’t really that social aspect. People eat poor diets for sure, but I don’t know that they sporadically gorge themselves.
Most people are overweight/obese so are likely binge eating to at least the same level I am, at least I have the periods of restriction to balance it out
Original post by Anonymous
Most people are overweight/obese so are likely binge eating to at least the same level I am, at least I have the periods of restriction to balance it out
Most people aren't obese (at least not in this country), and most people don't binge eat because they don't restrict.
Original post by anosmianAcrimony
Most people aren't obese (at least not in this country), and most people don't binge eat because they don't restrict.
In the UK 26% of people are obese and an additional 40% are overweight, so 66% of adults are overweight or obese. I’d rather restrict than end up like that.
Original post by Anonymous
In the UK 26% of people are obese and an additional 40% are overweight, so 66% of adults are overweight or obese. I’d rather restrict than end up like that.
you don't seem very happy with your current situation though...
Original post by Anonymous
you don't seem very happy with your current situation though...
I’m not but anything is better than being fat
Original post by Anonymous
Most people are overweight/obese so are likely binge eating to at least the same level I am, at least I have the periods of restriction to balance it out
No, people who are overweight are typically that way because of long term sedentary lifestyles and poor diets. We can't infer that they periodically binge.
I sense we're going to end up going in circles, but it's at least progress to have you acknowledge that the drinking is an issue and at harmful levels. I hope at some point you come to a similar realisation about the binging/restricting and stop trying to normalise it with the tired "everyone does similar" routine.
Original post by Admit-One
No, people who are overweight are typically that way because of long term sedentary lifestyles and poor diets. We can't infer that they periodically binge.
I sense we're going to end up going in circles, but it's at least progress to have you acknowledge that the drinking is an issue and at harmful levels. I hope at some point you come to a similar realisation about the binging/restricting and stop trying to normalise it with the tired "everyone does similar" routine.
I sense we're going to end up going in circles, but it's at least progress to have you acknowledge that the drinking is an issue and at harmful levels. I hope at some point you come to a similar realisation about the binging/restricting and stop trying to normalise it with the tired "everyone does similar" routine.
I recognise that both are considered harmful and unhealthy, I also recognise that both I and my lifestyle are substantially healthier than that of the average person and that virtually no one has a 100% healthy lifestyle with no slip ups so I’m not trying to stop either
Original post by Anonymous
virtually no one has a 100% healthy lifestyle with no slip ups
This a strawman. No one made this claim.
Original post by Anonymous
I also recognise that both I and my lifestyle are substantially healthier than that of the average person
It's rare that I use the word proposterous, but this is a pretty wild statement. Based on what you've said in this thread, I would hesitate to say that you're of average health, much less above it.
Original post by Admit-One
This a strawman. No one made this claim.
It's rare that I use the word proposterous, but this is a pretty wild statement. Based on what you've said in this thread, I would hesitate to say that you're of average health, much less above it.
It's rare that I use the word proposterous, but this is a pretty wild statement. Based on what you've said in this thread, I would hesitate to say that you're of average health, much less above it.
I’m a healthy weight and am fit enough to do 10,000-15,000 steps a day as well as fit enough to run up the five flights of stairs to my flat while barely being out of breath. On the days I don’t binge, I eat a lot of fruit and eat a salad for dinner most nights. Considering the average person is overweight, I’d definitely say I’m of above average health.
As I've previously stated: BMI is a flawed measure of health and, for example, does not account for the muscle mass of active individuals. Identifying BMI and weight as the most important measure of health is very flawed, and you can't actually tell someone else's health from their BMI. It's more to do with factors in correlation with BMI such as exercise, diet, genetics and so on. If you are obsessing this much over restricting your diet (resulting in binging) I would really suggest seeking some more help outside of TSR.
Original post by elilast
As I've previously stated: BMI is a flawed measure of health and, for example, does not account for the muscle mass of active individuals. Identifying BMI and weight as the most important measure of health is very flawed, and you can't actually tell someone else's health from their BMI. It's more to do with factors in correlation with BMI such as exercise, diet, genetics and so on. If you are obsessing this much over restricting your diet (resulting in binging) I would really suggest seeking some more help outside of TSR.
Every doctor I've seen still uses BMI as a gauge for whether someone is underweight/healthy weight/overweight and either way I'm not in the UK and won't be until May so I don't have access to English speaking mental health support
Original post by Anonymous
I have a long history of visiting proana parts of the internet on and off and a lot of the users on there are children so tend to give quite deluded advice (such as that a BMI over 15 is fat or that the ultimate goal is eating no food at all), while TSR is definitely one extreme of saying that not wanting to be fat and controlling your diet is basically an eating disorder, the TikTok pro community is the other extreme on that spectrum lol
well, you need to find the middle ground, not everyone on tiktok is like that
Original post by Anonymous
Every doctor I've seen still uses BMI as a gauge for whether someone is underweight/healthy weight/overweight and either way I'm not in the UK and won't be until May so I don't have access to English speaking mental health support
BMI is still frequently used as it is very simple to calculate and understand. But that doesn’t mean you should use it to determine all your life decisions (or your doctor should).
Whereabouts are you? Are there any free online services you can access?
I get the sense I’m probably not going to change your mind on any of this. My personal advice would be to try eating a little more and seeing if this will reduce the need to binge.
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When I was in your situation I knew what I was doing was unhealthy and unsustainable, and I'm sure you do too. I don't think you're stupid or unreasonable, and I don't think you're in a position where a professional would convince you to change either. They wouldn't have convinced me. Its going to take me a long time to to get better, but I really do hope that you'd be open to feeling better, even if you don't want to increase your calories right now.
Please don't take this as the end all be all fix, but I felt infinitely better when I shifted out of an all (24hr fasts, less than 1k calories or whatever I saw other people say worked) or nothing mindset and followed a sort of intermittent fasting type diet. It let me binge less on junk when I knew I was waiting until 2pm for my planned/filling lunch. I was getting better nutrients/more protein and feeling so much less guilt overall.
You didn't mention it explicitly, but if you binge drink I'm gonna guess you probably purge in some way. Obviously don't give yourself alcohol poisoning to avoid puking, but if you're vomiting otherwise or abusing any sort of laxative, do literally anything you can not to purge. It will **** you up forever. Your teeth your stomach your colon etc. I think the leftovers of purging are worse for me than the actual residual body image issues. You're not doomed by this. But be kind to your teeth when you can. Don't go over recommended dosages.
I'm not sure to what extent you're in ana/mia circles online but you did mention it. I found it comforting in a lot of ways to see people sicker than me and I get the desire to treat it like a weight watchers advice group. Looking back it did tank my self esteem and had basically no effect on my weight. If you can, try to make it harder to access in some way. (Ex Only use the web versions of apps you look at pro ana content on or log out of accounts manually and unsaved your passwords). It makes you think more about what you're seeing and kinda breaks the habit.
I'll hope you try at least some of this just for harm reduction. It's only anecdotal, but none of these were steps I actually took toward gaining weight or fixing my diet, just things I did to feel less awful some of the time.
Please don't take this as the end all be all fix, but I felt infinitely better when I shifted out of an all (24hr fasts, less than 1k calories or whatever I saw other people say worked) or nothing mindset and followed a sort of intermittent fasting type diet. It let me binge less on junk when I knew I was waiting until 2pm for my planned/filling lunch. I was getting better nutrients/more protein and feeling so much less guilt overall.
You didn't mention it explicitly, but if you binge drink I'm gonna guess you probably purge in some way. Obviously don't give yourself alcohol poisoning to avoid puking, but if you're vomiting otherwise or abusing any sort of laxative, do literally anything you can not to purge. It will **** you up forever. Your teeth your stomach your colon etc. I think the leftovers of purging are worse for me than the actual residual body image issues. You're not doomed by this. But be kind to your teeth when you can. Don't go over recommended dosages.
I'm not sure to what extent you're in ana/mia circles online but you did mention it. I found it comforting in a lot of ways to see people sicker than me and I get the desire to treat it like a weight watchers advice group. Looking back it did tank my self esteem and had basically no effect on my weight. If you can, try to make it harder to access in some way. (Ex Only use the web versions of apps you look at pro ana content on or log out of accounts manually and unsaved your passwords). It makes you think more about what you're seeing and kinda breaks the habit.
I'll hope you try at least some of this just for harm reduction. It's only anecdotal, but none of these were steps I actually took toward gaining weight or fixing my diet, just things I did to feel less awful some of the time.
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