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Mature/Parent Students - I feel like we're pushed aside (New timetabling structure)

First, I am a second-year student at MMU (Here since foundation), a father to a child in a nursery. I live off-campus with a partner who is also studying at MMU.

Recently, I have been in contact with the union regarding the specific issue regarding the way the timetabling has been done at the University for this year and how it impacts not only myself dramatically but also many others with whom I have raised this topic.

I am interested in knowing if anyone is experiencing the following, as this needs to be addressed.

For example (this is my timetable for this semester):




As you can see from the image, this is my semester time for the current units. Now, I will stress that these are my course's "only" available time slots. This is not specific to me but as a whole to (Games/Software Development) as they have merged them into one large class/lecture/lab, where the issues arise.

My partner, on a completely different course at MMU, is having the same issue, and we feel this has not been carefully thought through, as given below.

Issues

1. University Expansion

The University has recently had several expansions. I need help to find logical reasoning that these changes have been made with proper thought, given the number of rooms has grown, but class slots have shrunk. While I appreciate many students with many classes, these expansions, if not, have made timetabling and room booking more accessible. Shrinking the courses into "super" classes, if you will, and locking them at "one lecture/lab session" per week does nothing to help students with outside commitments, especially if you're now heavily invested in your future years when productivity increases.

2. Time Slots

These are very familiar if you look at my specific time slots for the week. This also applies to Chemistry, Biology, and Animal studies. Most of these sessions have nothing at any reasonable time, with sessions lasting until 7 pm and some 8 pm, where a separate one can be arranged for a more reasonable time. This is because most lectures are now listed as "ALL STUDENTS," where sometimes the room size is not big enough to accommodate everyone. Restricting any flexibility to one per week is highly segregating. It reduces accessibility to students who require support during office hours or externally.

3. Childcare

Paying and arranging childcare is already a very stressful experience and requires careful planning, cost, and time management. For those unaware, most nursery or childcare providers require substantial time in advance to book spaces/times, which are often restricted and not flexible. Suppose you compare this with MMU being one of the only universities in Manchester that still has yet to expand to on-site childcare compared to UoM or Salford. In that case, you start to see a more significant issue. Nurseries within the city centre are few and far between, and most childcare providers do not offer services after 6-6.30 pm, so realistically, travel will be required.

The cost of childcare is exceptionally high, and if you require CCG (Child Care Grant - SFE), you're also very limited in the number of consecutive providers you can use. With this in mind, the cost to the student when needing to book potential childcare with two providers for a full day for a lecture in the morning as not all nurseries provide half-day, and then the nearly impossible task to pay for another after 6.30 pm.

4. Most Mature Students/Parents don't live on campus

It's common knowledge that accommodation for parent students is limited; for myself and many others, we mainly rent privately, and this is more often than not in the "Greater Manchester" regions as opposed to the inner city. Student rentals are not possible due to factors such as insurance, tax-related issues, and so on, so most providers will turn you away. I have about three years of experience with this; unless I have missed something recently, this is always the case. Therefore, having lectures ranging from 4-5 pm until 7-8 pm with the need to travel to pick up your child at 6-6.30 pm out of the city is impossible, taking into account the increased traffic and public transport demand.

5. Engagement

While the University stresses the rules of engagement and attendance, it's also clear that they have misrepresented the proportion of students with commitments, which does not explicitly adhere to only students with children.

I am a student who agrees that the more you engage and learn, the more your grades will dramatically increase, and this is stressed across the board. However, there is also the understanding that you will be removed from your course if you don't attend. So the experience is that if you have caring responsibilities, it's either leaving your child, paying nursery late fees, or being segregated and kicked off your course, which MMU promotes as an advocate for the inclusion of all backgrounds to learn.

In summary,

There are many other reasons, but I would love to hear feedback from other students in the same position. This matter is prevalent. I hear many moans about this, but collectively, nothing is done. Many people pay a considerable amount of money and make sacrifices to better their careers. They should be able to fulfil this. I hope someone from the University listens, and I will gladly advocate to push this further.

The amount of stress this causes is immense, and some relief and understanding would be appreciated.
Original post
by MrSparkle
First, I am a second-year student at MMU (Here since foundation), a father to a child in a nursery. I live off-campus with a partner who is also studying at MMU.
Recently, I have been in contact with the union regarding the specific issue regarding the way the timetabling has been done at the University for this year and how it impacts not only myself dramatically but also many others with whom I have raised this topic.
I am interested in knowing if anyone is experiencing the following, as this needs to be addressed.
For example (this is my timetable for this semester):

As you can see from the image, this is my semester time for the current units. Now, I will stress that these are my course's "only" available time slots. This is not specific to me but as a whole to (Games/Software Development) as they have merged them into one large class/lecture/lab, where the issues arise.
My partner, on a completely different course at MMU, is having the same issue, and we feel this has not been carefully thought through, as given below.
Issues
1. University Expansion
The University has recently had several expansions. I need help to find logical reasoning that these changes have been made with proper thought, given the number of rooms has grown, but class slots have shrunk. While I appreciate many students with many classes, these expansions, if not, have made timetabling and room booking more accessible. Shrinking the courses into "super" classes, if you will, and locking them at "one lecture/lab session" per week does nothing to help students with outside commitments, especially if you're now heavily invested in your future years when productivity increases.
2. Time Slots
These are very familiar if you look at my specific time slots for the week. This also applies to Chemistry, Biology, and Animal studies. Most of these sessions have nothing at any reasonable time, with sessions lasting until 7 pm and some 8 pm, where a separate one can be arranged for a more reasonable time. This is because most lectures are now listed as "ALL STUDENTS," where sometimes the room size is not big enough to accommodate everyone. Restricting any flexibility to one per week is highly segregating. It reduces accessibility to students who require support during office hours or externally.
3. Childcare
Paying and arranging childcare is already a very stressful experience and requires careful planning, cost, and time management. For those unaware, most nursery or childcare providers require substantial time in advance to book spaces/times, which are often restricted and not flexible. Suppose you compare this with MMU being one of the only universities in Manchester that still has yet to expand to on-site childcare compared to UoM or Salford. In that case, you start to see a more significant issue. Nurseries within the city centre are few and far between, and most childcare providers do not offer services after 6-6.30 pm, so realistically, travel will be required.
The cost of childcare is exceptionally high, and if you require CCG (Child Care Grant - SFE), you're also very limited in the number of consecutive providers you can use. With this in mind, the cost to the student when needing to book potential childcare with two providers for a full day for a lecture in the morning as not all nurseries provide half-day, and then the nearly impossible task to pay for another after 6.30 pm.
4. Most Mature Students/Parents don't live on campus
It's common knowledge that accommodation for parent students is limited; for myself and many others, we mainly rent privately, and this is more often than not in the "Greater Manchester" regions as opposed to the inner city. Student rentals are not possible due to factors such as insurance, tax-related issues, and so on, so most providers will turn you away. I have about three years of experience with this; unless I have missed something recently, this is always the case. Therefore, having lectures ranging from 4-5 pm until 7-8 pm with the need to travel to pick up your child at 6-6.30 pm out of the city is impossible, taking into account the increased traffic and public transport demand.
5. Engagement
While the University stresses the rules of engagement and attendance, it's also clear that they have misrepresented the proportion of students with commitments, which does not explicitly adhere to only students with children.
I am a student who agrees that the more you engage and learn, the more your grades will dramatically increase, and this is stressed across the board. However, there is also the understanding that you will be removed from your course if you don't attend. So the experience is that if you have caring responsibilities, it's either leaving your child, paying nursery late fees, or being segregated and kicked off your course, which MMU promotes as an advocate for the inclusion of all backgrounds to learn.
In summary,
There are many other reasons, but I would love to hear feedback from other students in the same position. This matter is prevalent. I hear many moans about this, but collectively, nothing is done. Many people pay a considerable amount of money and make sacrifices to better their careers. They should be able to fulfil this. I hope someone from the University listens, and I will gladly advocate to push this further.
The amount of stress this causes is immense, and some relief and understanding would be appreciated.

Hi @MrSparkle

I've forwarded your message onto the Timetabling team and I'm waiting to hear back from them. You can also contact them through Assist on MyMMU.
Also, have you spoken to the Student Hub? They handle enquiries from current students so will be able to offer advice. They're located in the Business School if you want to pop in to see them in person🙂

- Chloe
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by Manchester Metropolitan University
Hi @MrSparkle
I've forwarded your message onto the Timetabling team and I'm waiting to hear back from them. You can also contact them through Assist on MyMMU.
Also, have you spoken to the Student Hub? They handle enquiries from current students so will be able to offer advice. They're located in the Business School if you want to pop in to see them in person🙂
- Chloe

@MrSparkle please see the response from the Timetabling team:

We appreciate that there are many sub demographics of students who have very different needs (students with care commitments, parents, commuting students, students who are required to work to support their studies). Unfortunately, at present we are not able to timetable specifically to these individual circumstances (and the needs of students in each of these groups may still vary significantly so drawing conclusions about the shape of the timetable based on someone's demographic is not always a solution).

We are aware of the challenges associated with different groups of students and courses with larger intakes with lots of repeat activities do have some flexibility to accommodate adjustments. Unfortunately, some of the smaller courses do not have the same flexibility because the activities are only delivered once.

The Timetabling team are happy to be contacted if you want more information.

Chloe🙂

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