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Will i be disadvantaged when applying to cambridge for Maths

I've done quite well at GCSEs with a 9 in maths. But in year 12 & year 13 ive received bronze in the SMC. Due to careless mistakes and not enough sleep. (I know im making excuses but my scores are embarassing). I just dont think i'll stand a chance when applying to Cambridge for Maths. I feel demotivated.

Reply 1

Just don't put it on your application as not all centres provide it anyways.

Reply 2

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by Anonymous
Just don't put it on your application as not all centres provide it anyways.

i mean like, will i even stand a chance at the interview

Reply 3

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by Anonymous
i mean like, will i even stand a chance at the interview

There are some example sheets of questions (varying difficulty) and tom bowlers booklet and two months before the interview. So you have some time, but you probably need to put some dedicated effort into it.
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by Anonymous
i mean like, will i even stand a chance at the interview

I disagree with some of the other sentiments implied. The SMC is quite a different style to the interviews (and STEP and the actual Tripos exams for that matter). You can be a perfectly competent mathematician and succeed at interview even if you didn't excel at the SMC.

Reply 5

Have you actually tried entrance-exam style questions? For me, I’m not amazing at the SMC but i can do TMUA and MAT question to a decent standard. This will probably give you a better idea of where you’re really at :smile:

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by lucyy06
Have you actually tried entrance-exam style questions? For me, I’m not amazing at the SMC but i can do TMUA and MAT question to a decent standard. This will probably give you a better idea of where you’re really at :smile:

yes, i've done STEP & TMUA questions and I'm able to answer questions to a much better level than SMC.

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by melancollege
I disagree with some of the other sentiments implied. The SMC is quite a different style to the interviews (and STEP and the actual Tripos exams for that matter). You can be a perfectly competent mathematician and succeed at interview even if you didn't excel at the SMC.

I've heard people saying SMC style questions are quite similar to interview questions, especially the puzzle type of questions. Idk who to believe anymore tbh.

Reply 8

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by mqb2766
There are some example sheets of questions (varying difficulty) and tom bowlers booklet and two months before the interview. So you have some time, but you probably need to put some dedicated effort into it.

Sup, I think you've replied to one of my threads before, arent you at Cambridge right now? I can solve TMUA style questions quite well, how much time a week should i put into preparing for an interview?
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by Anonymous
I've heard people saying SMC style questions are quite similar to interview questions, especially the puzzle type of questions. Idk who to believe anymore tbh.

I wouldn't agree with that either. Also, the interview format is such that they will guide you with the answers - you wouldn't be expected to find it yourself as in SMC.

Reply 10

Say that you did it in Y12 but don't mention it that you also did it in Y13

Reply 11

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by Anonymous
Sup, I think you've replied to one of my threads before, arent you at Cambridge right now? I can solve TMUA style questions quite well, how much time a week should i put into preparing for an interview?

With a fair dose of subjectivity ...

Usually the interview consists of two parts, so an "exam" where you try and work through as many questions as possible independently, then an interview where you discuss what you did and ones that you didnt do. For the interview, they will give appropriate hints/suggestions to provide a bit more structure to the question and guide you somewhat. They want to see two things 1) that youre capable of doing step in june and 2) that youre capable of learning/being taught. The interview could consist of questions based on a level maths topics, elementary maths / problem solving and there may be the odd question related to properties of functions say to get you thinking. In the exam, they dont expect you to get anywhere near 100% but neither do they expect you to get close to 0%. Its meant to give you time and the opportunity to think and put some stuf down to discuss in the interview.

So what can you do?

Talk maths with someone regularly. So get in the habit of discussing questions, how you might approach them, what might be the advantages/disadvantages, ... You want to try and come up with reasonable suggestions/answers in the interview. Youll be wrong a fair bit, everyone is, but saying nothing is the worst thing and if you explain what youre thinking, they can guide you a bit, if necessary.

Continue with step practice. Theres no assumption in the interview that youve done any (some people dont start until after the interview) but its good practice of harder a level stuff and its good for june. Some of the earlier step papers had a wider syllabus, but for the past 5 years or so, its pretty much a level syllabus.

Do tom bowlers TBO problem solving booklet which is on drfrost. A fair number of the questions are "smc/bmo" type, so more pre calculus / elementary problem solving. If youre sketching a function for instance, think about how you justify the properties, so where the gradient is 0, "infinite", ..., asymptotes, .... rather than just being happy that your sketch looks about right. Your justification will be the important thing in an interview.

Do some oxbridge interview sheets. There are 3(?) old ones on the trinity page and a few other lists kicking around the web. Just do a google. Dont expect to look for the answers, rather spend a bit of time thinking about whats hard, how you might approach it, come back to it if necessary before looking up the solution then reflect on how youd do a similar question and what you missed in the first place. The odd mat and tmua are reasonable to work through as well. Remember with bowlers book and the interview sheets, youre just working with the questions and youre missing the hints in the interview and the step and mat longer questions are probably closer to that as theyre split into parts which guide you through them. However, part of answering questions is thinking about what theyre asking, what approaches can be used and these are typically under emphasised in standard a level questions.

Coming back to your smc bronze. As already noted, you can do well on step/interview without doing that well on smc. However, Im honestly a bit surprised as bronze means you get around 8/25 right. If youre cracking through the above stuff, Id not worry about it. However, if you find it difficult to get started on bowlers questions for instance, it may be worth thinking about problem solving so how you get started, sub values in, guestimate values, simplify problems, ... and hit the odd smc past paper for some rapid fire questions / elementary maths practice.

Just to repeat, they want to do reasonably well in the initial "exam" so partly solving/attempting some questions as well as doing some correctly and this is to get you to put down on paper your ideas which can then be discussed in the interview. They dont expect you to be perfect. Also, theres probably way too much advice here for it all to be correct, so the old adage of "its for giving, not for taking" applies. Do some stuff that practices both harder question (elementary/a level/problem solving) and also practice talking over questions/your ideas/justification with someone.
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Reply 12

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by mqb2766
With a fair dose of subjectivity ...
Usually the interview consists of two parts, so an "exam" where you try and work through as many questions as possible independently, then an interview where you discuss what you did and ones that you didnt do. For the interview, they will give appropriate hints/suggestions to provide a bit more structure to the question and guide you somewhat. They want to see two things 1) that youre capable of doing step in june and 2) that youre capable of learning/being taught. The interview could consist of questions based on a level maths topics, elementary maths / problem solving and there may be the odd question related to properties of functions say to get you thinking. In the exam, they dont expect you to get anywhere near 100% but neither do they expect you to get close to 0%. Its meant to give you time and the opportunity to think and put some stuf down to discuss in the interview.
So what can you do?

Talk maths with someone regularly. So get in the habit of discussing questions, how you might approach them, what might be the advantages/disadvantages, ... You want to try and come up with reasonable suggestions/answers in the interview. Youll be wrong a fair bit, everyone is, but saying nothing is the worst thing and if you explain what youre thinking, they can guide you a bit, if necessary.

Continue with step practice. Theres no assumption in the interview that youve done any (some people dont start until after the interview) but its good practice of harder a level stuff and its good for june. Some of the earlier step papers had a wider syllabus, but for the past 5 years or so, its pretty much a level syllabus.

Do tom bowlers TBO problem solving booklet which is on drfrost. A fair number of the questions are "smc/bmo" type, so more pre calculus / elementary problem solving. If youre sketching a function for instance, think about how you justify the properties, so where the gradient is 0, "infinite", ..., asymptotes, .... rather than just being happy that your sketch looks about right. Your justification will be the important thing in an interview.

Do some oxbridge interview sheets. There are 3(?) old ones on the trinity page and a few other lists kicking around the web. Just do a google. Dont expect to look for the answers, rather spend a bit of time thinking about whats hard, how you might approach it, come back to it if necessary before looking up the solution then reflect on how youd do a similar question and what you missed in the first place. The odd mat and tmua are reasonable to work through as well. Remember with bowlers book and the interview sheets, youre just working with the questions and youre missing the hints in the interview and the step and mat longer questions are probably closer to that as theyre split into parts which guide you through them. However, part of answering questions is thinking about what theyre asking, what approaches can be used and these are typically under emphasised in standard a level questions.

Coming back to your smc bronze. As already noted, you can do well on step/interview without doing that well on smc. However, Im honestly a bit surprised as bronze means you get around 8/25 right. If youre cracking through the above stuff, Id not worry about it. However, if you find it difficult to get started on bowlers questions for instance, it may be worth thinking about problem solving so how you get started, sub values in, guestimate values, simplify problems, ... and hit the odd smc past paper for some rapid fire questions / elementary maths practice.
Just to repeat, they want to do reasonably well in the initial "exam" so partly solving/attempting some questions as well as doing some correctly and this is to get you to put down on paper your ideas which can then be discussed in the interview. They dont expect you to be perfect. Also, theres probably way too much advice here for it all to be correct, so the old adage of "its for giving, not for taking" applies. Do some stuff that practices both harder question (elementary/a level/problem solving) and also practice talking over questions/your ideas/justification with someone.

many thanks for the reply, ur the goat. I understand ur quite surprised, I dont know what happened during the SMC I froze up on so many questions but then I can solve them outside the exam hall, it's weird cuz im usually okay with Exams, idk. Lol im just so stressed with everything

Reply 13

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by Anonymous
many thanks for the reply, ur the goat. I understand ur quite surprised, I dont know what happened during the SMC I froze up on so many questions but then I can solve them outside the exam hall, it's weird cuz im usually okay with Exams, idk. Lol im just so stressed with everything

If you can solve them normally, theres honestly less to worry about. If you know your stuff but had a bad day, youve just got to chalk it up to experience. Try not to let stress get the better of you and get in the habit of planning what you need to do each week. Hate to say it, but if your application and interview are successful, then next year will be worse with step and a levels.

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