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UCAS and Ego

I think my ego got the best of me and i applied to 5 ambitious unis (oxford, Bristol, Warwick, UCL, KCL) they all require the LNAT except Warwick and I think I’m eligible for a contextual offer due to state school, postcode and epq (Warwick) so my offer might be as low as AAB/ABB - I applied with 2A* and 2As but now im a bit nervous because I was told my gcses (999777765) aren’t competitive enough for law and if Warwick rejects me (my safe but not safe option) I’m finished because the others use LNAT and idk how good that went
Original post by Ghost1619
I think my ego got the best of me and i applied to 5 ambitious unis (oxford, Bristol, Warwick, UCL, KCL) they all require the LNAT except Warwick and I think I’m eligible for a contextual offer due to state school, postcode and epq (Warwick) so my offer might be as low as AAB/ABB - I applied with 2A* and 2As but now im a bit nervous because I was told my gcses (999777765) aren’t competitive enough for law and if Warwick rejects me (my safe but not safe option) I’m finished because the others use LNAT and idk how good that went

Well, time will tell what happens but a similar thing happened to me when I was applying to Medicine and I applied to exclusively the best and the hardest med schools to get into and... I ended up with no offers. It's not a great situation to be in but it's not the end of the world - I did a second application to uni, this time for psychology and with a more balanced choice of realistic and aspirational unis, which worked out much better.

You might get offers though, so hold onto hope (your GCSEs aren't bad and you might have done really well in your LNAT). And if you don't get any offers... gap year and reapply, but learning from your mistakes!
Reply 2
Original post by Scotland Yard
Well, time will tell what happens but a similar thing happened to me when I was applying to Medicine and I applied to exclusively the best and the hardest med schools to get into and... I ended up with no offers. It's not a great situation to be in but it's not the end of the world - I did a second application to uni, this time for psychology and with a more balanced choice of realistic and aspirational unis, which worked out much better.
You might get offers though, so hold onto hope (your GCSEs aren't bad and you might have done really well in your LNAT). And if you don't get any offers... gap year and reapply, but learning from your mistakes!


Thank you so much!!
Reply 3
you can switch any of your options up to 14 days after submitting your application to ucas, so you could maybe swap one of your choices to a safer choice
Original post by user52864
you can switch any of your options up to 14 days after submitting your application to ucas, so you could maybe swap one of your choices to a safer choice

Just to add on to this point, Warwick is quite competitive despite not using the LNAT. Using the historical data on UCAS, you can work out that only 35% of applicants were offered a place to study law (M100). It’s not really a safety choice at all to be honest, as you aren’t “almost guaranteed” an offer from them (which is kind of the point of a safety option). UCL and KCL are both incredibly competitive and oversubscribed universities. Your GCSEs wouldn’t be the issue here at all, it would be your LNAT. UCL, like Oxford, place a lot of emphasis on the essay section. If you feel as though this section of your LNAT was weaker, you may wish to switch it out for a safer option. As well as this, in previous cycles, the average MCQ score for standard offer holders was 29 and for contextual students it was 27. In contrast, KCL completely disregard the essay section, which would explain the correlation between gaining a high MCQ score and receiving an offer from them. The unofficial cutoff score last year for home students (both contextual and non-contextual) was said to be 30 on the MCQ section, and for international students, it was said to be 27. Of course, this is all merely speculation, as KCL don’t actually state whether they do or do not have an internal guideline for filtering out applications (i.e. using a cutoff score on the LNAT). If you feel as though your MCQ performance was particularly weak, again, you may wish to switch one of these out for a safer option. Your GCSEs are fine for Bristol and likely Oxford too. If you’re adamant about having one of KCL and UCL, I would advise picking your replacement university based on your feelings about the LNAT. Of course, you may have surprised yourself and done very well on the LNAT, but if you are concerned about not having a safety, replacing one of these may be the right way to go. If Oxford is your ultimate goal, I wouldn’t replace that choice based on your feelings of the LNAT, simply for that reason. The same goes for Bristol, despite them placing 40% weighting on the LNAT.

If you are happy to face the possibility of receiving 5/5 rejections, applying through UCAS extra, going into clearing or taking a gap year, then ignore this advice. Personally, I chose to avoid London universities entirely due to their competitive nature. I also only applied to two LNAT universities (Bristol and Cambridge) to maximise my chance of obtaining offers from other universities that I would also be happy to go to. My “aspirational” choice was Cambridge (despite people typically having “aspirational” choices above their predicted grades, it felt appropriate to title Cambridge as that), my two “target” choices were Leeds and Bristol and my two “safety” choices were Birmingham and Nottingham. I chose these safeties based off of criteria such as location, historical UCAS data about offer rates (not to be confused with acceptance rates), entry requirements, course structure, student environment, accommodation and career opportunities. This may serve as a rough guide for you if you wish to change your choices. Personally, I slightly regret not being thorough with the new contextual requirements at Nottingham as it meant that I was given the standard offer of AAA, instead of the enhanced contextual offer that I thought I would be receiving of ABB. I know Warwick has changed their criteria this year too, along with UCL, so make sure you confirm that you’re still eligible for both contextual offers.
Reply 5
Original post by bibachu
Just to add on to this point, Warwick is quite competitive despite not using the LNAT. Using the historical data on UCAS, you can work out that only 35% of applicants were offered a place to study law (M100). It’s not really a safety choice at all to be honest, as you aren’t “almost guaranteed” an offer from them (which is kind of the point of a safety option). UCL and KCL are both incredibly competitive and oversubscribed universities. Your GCSEs wouldn’t be the issue here at all, it would be your LNAT. UCL, like Oxford, place a lot of emphasis on the essay section. If you feel as though this section of your LNAT was weaker, you may wish to switch it out for a safer option. As well as this, in previous cycles, the average MCQ score for standard offer holders was 29 and for contextual students it was 27. In contrast, KCL completely disregard the essay section, which would explain the correlation between gaining a high MCQ score and receiving an offer from them. The unofficial cutoff score last year for home students (both contextual and non-contextual) was said to be 30 on the MCQ section, and for international students, it was said to be 27. Of course, this is all merely speculation, as KCL don’t actually state whether they do or do not have an internal guideline for filtering out applications (i.e. using a cutoff score on the LNAT). If you feel as though your MCQ performance was particularly weak, again, you may wish to switch one of these out for a safer option. Your GCSEs are fine for Bristol and likely Oxford too. If you’re adamant about having one of KCL and UCL, I would advise picking your replacement university based on your feelings about the LNAT. Of course, you may have surprised yourself and done very well on the LNAT, but if you are concerned about not having a safety, replacing one of these may be the right way to go. If Oxford is your ultimate goal, I wouldn’t replace that choice based on your feelings of the LNAT, simply for that reason. The same goes for Bristol, despite them placing 40% weighting on the LNAT.
If you are happy to face the possibility of receiving 5/5 rejections, applying through UCAS extra, going into clearing or taking a gap year, then ignore this advice. Personally, I chose to avoid London universities entirely due to their competitive nature. I also only applied to two LNAT universities (Bristol and Cambridge) to maximise my chance of obtaining offers from other universities that I would also be happy to go to. My “aspirational” choice was Cambridge (despite people typically having “aspirational” choices above their predicted grades, it felt appropriate to title Cambridge as that), my two “target” choices were Leeds and Bristol and my two “safety” choices were Birmingham and Nottingham. I chose these safeties based off of criteria such as location, historical UCAS data about offer rates (not to be confused with acceptance rates), entry requirements, course structure, student environment, accommodation and career opportunities. This may serve as a rough guide for you if you wish to change your choices. Personally, I slightly regret not being thorough with the new contextual requirements at Nottingham as it meant that I was given the standard offer of AAA, instead of the enhanced contextual offer that I thought I would be receiving of ABB. I know Warwick has changed their criteria this year too, along with UCL, so make sure you confirm that you’re still eligible for both contextual offers.


How do I confirm my eligibility for contextual offers for Nottingham ucl and Warwick please? I changed KCL to Nottingham
Original post by Ghost1619
How do I confirm my eligibility for contextual offers for Nottingham ucl and Warwick please? I changed KCL to Nottingham

Look at the criteria on the website. UCL and Nottingham have a postcode checker, and Warwick may have updated theirs by now. In any case, the postcode criteria (e.g. POLAR4 quintile) should be listed so you can check that externally if need be. Alternatively, if Warwick’s is not up, you can just email admissions with your information to confirm your eligibility.

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