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Hello, for my Alevels I chose History, English literature and German but I’m now thinking of aspiring to study history and politics at Oxbridge (preferably Oxford). I would really like to go into international affairs and didn’t realise that I should of taken politics. I’ve been trying to find the data for how likely it is to get in without politics but I can’t find it anywhere - does anyone know if I should still consider it as a viable option ?

Reply 1

Your choice of A levels is fine. Skill in a modern language is an asset to a student of History. You could reinforce your application by reading books about politics. If your academic profile is strong enough, then there's no reason not to apply, but of course have a Plan B. Good luck!


PS: "Should have", not "should of". "Of" is not a participle of the verb "to have". Oxford and Cambridge History Dons tend to be particular about grammar.

Reply 2

Original post by eternalwire
if you're in year 12 and still saying "should of", I don't think there's much point in applying anyway

I am inclined to agree, but pointing out the appalling grammar, spelling, and punctuation displayed on TSR tends to produce responses equivalent to "OK, Boomer". Judging by some other posts I've seen on this forum, examination boards are awarding A grades in English Language to people who cannot string a grammatical sentence together.

Have you noticed that most of the posters here who appear to be fascinated by the Russell Group can't even spell the word Russell?
(edited 8 months ago)

Reply 3

Original post by eternalwire
if you're in year 12 and still saying "should of", I don't think there's much point in applying anyway


This is a pretty common grammar mistake that students pick up from others, and I don’t think schools have the time to teach students otherwise. Not to mention this is an informal student forum. It’s unlikely that users are triple checking their messages for errors.

Reply 4

Original post by Anonymous
This is a pretty common grammar mistake that students pick up from others, and I don’t think schools have the time to teach students otherwise. Not to mention this is an informal student forum. It’s unlikely that users are triple checking their messages for errors.

It couldn't take schools all that long to tackle such an error. The error shows a fundamental misunderstanding of verb forms. The argument "oh, this is just an internet forum" isn't persuasive. The OP didn't write in text speak or slang.
(edited 8 months ago)

Reply 5

Hi about the grammar - I wrote this at around 1 am. I was very sleep deprived and having a slight mental crisis so my grammar was not perfect. Just want to clear things up because I’m usually more careful about how I write.

Reply 6

Original post by Stiffy Byng
I am inclined to agree, but pointing out the appalling grammar, spelling, and punctuation displayed on TSR tends to produce responses equivalent to "OK, Boomer". Judging by some other posts I've seen on this forum, examination boards are awarding A grades in English Language to people who cannot string a grammatical sentence together.
Have you noticed that most of the posters here who appear to be fascinated by the Russell Group can't even spell the word Russell?


Hi , I’m well aware of all the people who know extremely little about the Russell group and still want to apply. People make mistakes and I was very tired when writing this post - absolutely no need to be extremely rude about it though. Please find something better to do with your time. (Also this is an internet forum, I hope you can assume this is not representative of my writing capabilities)

Reply 7

Original post by Stiffy Byng
It couldn't take schools all that long to tackle such an error. The error shows a fundamental misunderstanding of verb forms. The argument "oh, this is just an internet forum" isn't persuasive. The OP didn't write in text speak or slang.


Hi the OP was very tired when writing this. Please be more considerate as this is just a forum. I’m not trying to write formally, more like polite casual.

Reply 8

Original post by Stiffy Byng
Your choice of A levels is fine. Skill in a modern language is an asset to a student of History. You could reinforce your application by reading books about politics. If your academic profile is strong enough, then there's no reason not to apply, but of course have a Plan B. Good luck!
PS: "Should have", not "should of". "Of" is not a participle of the verb "to have". Oxford and Cambridge History Dons tend to be particular about grammar.


Thanks for the advice - I’ll be more careful about my grammar in the future!

Reply 9

I haven't been rude to you. Pointing out a mistake is not a personal attack. I doubt that you knew that "should of" was incorrect until this was pointed out to you. That is probably the fault of your school. I don't agree with the proposition that fundamental errors of grammar don't matter because "it's just a forum". Precision in the use of language is important to scholarship, and in general.

Reply 10

Original post by Stiffy Byng
I haven't been rude to you. Pointing out a mistake is not a personal attack. I doubt that you knew that "should of" was incorrect until this was pointed out to you. That is probably the fault of your school. I don't agree with the proposition that fundamental errors of grammar don't matter because "it's just a forum". Precision in the use of language is important to scholarship, and in general.


Hi! I just want to make it clear that I wasn’t commenting on the fact that you corrected my grammar. I’m actually very appreciative of you for taking the time to do that. My response was more focussed on the fact that you later went on to say that I had made this mistake due to a ‘fundamental misunderstanding of verb forms’ which comes off as quite insulting. I understand that at points you were making a generalisation of the quality of grammar on TSR (which can be appalling). I just didn’t appreciate that you accused me of this over a genuine small mistake that I would usually be fully aware of. Hopefully this makes sense because I don’t want to cause an argument over something like this.

Reply 11

Original post by atinyfish
Hello, for my Alevels I chose History, English literature and German but I’m now thinking of aspiring to study history and politics at Oxbridge (preferably Oxford). I would really like to go into international affairs and didn’t realise that I should of taken politics. I’ve been trying to find the data for how likely it is to get in without politics but I can’t find it anywhere - does anyone know if I should still consider it as a viable option ?


History and Politics degrees don’t require A-level Politics, they only require history. Whilst it would be helpful to have it, it’s not a requirement and you can easily just make your interest in politics clear in your personal statement, and maybe an EPQ If you’ve considered that.

Reply 12

Original post by Stiffy Byng
I am inclined to agree, but pointing out the appalling grammar, spelling, and punctuation displayed on TSR tends to produce responses equivalent to "OK, Boomer". Judging by some other posts I've seen on this forum, examination boards are awarding A grades in English Language to people who cannot string a grammatical sentence together.
Have you noticed that most of the posters here who appear to be fascinated by the Russell Group can't even spell the word Russell?

This is where you overstepped the mark.The first sentence is condescending and thoughtless.You are dealing with a 16/17 year old and telling them it is not worth applying to Oxford because they made a grammar mistake.
(edited 8 months ago)

Reply 13

Original post by Scotney
This is where you overstepped the mark.The first sentence is condescending and thoughtless.You are dealing with a 16/17 year old and telling them it is not worth applying to Oxford because they made a grammar mistake.

Someone else made that comment, not me. The comment is no longer in the thread. I suggest that you direct your ire at the person who made the comment.

Not knowing the difference between "should of" and "should have" is a serious deficiency in grammar. I don't believe that anyone who knows the difference would ever type "should of", tired or not tired.

The fault probably lies with schools which do not teach grammar with sufficient care. Even in a world in which teenagers are wrapped in cotton wool by foolish adults, and told that they can do anything they like regardless of rules and structures, professional historians remain sticklers for linguistic precision, and it does someone who aspires to compete at the highest academic level no favours not to point out grammatical mistakes.

Did you see that the freshers at Wadham were given alpacas to pet at the end of Freshers' Week, to mitigate the stress of a week spent getting off their faces at parties? I despair. So do most of the History Dons I know. But now it's First Week, and the alpaca petting has been replaced by academic rigour, at least in the tutorials, if not in the offices of the Welfare Deans.

OP, if you think that having your writing criticised is a personal insult (it isn't), you may be in for a shock when you go to university.
(edited 8 months ago)

Reply 14

Original post by Stiffy Byng
Someone else made that comment, not me. The comment is no longer in the thread. I suggest that you direct your ire at the person who made the comment.
Not knowing the difference between "should of" and "should have" is a serious deficiency in grammar. I don't believe that anyone who knows the difference would ever type "should of", tired or not tired.
The fault probably lies with schools which do not teach grammar with sufficient care. Even in a world in which teenagers are wrapped in cotton wool by foolish adults, and told that they can do anything they like regardless of rules and structures, professional historians remain sticklers for linguistic precision, and it does someone who aspires to compete at the highest academic level no favours not to point out grammatical mistakes.
Did you see that the freshers at Wadham were given alpacas to pet at the end of Freshers' Week, to mitigate the stress of a week spent getting off their faces at parties? I despair. So do most of the History Dons I know. But now it's First Week, and the alpaca petting has been replaced by academic rigour, at least in the tutorials, if not in the offices of the Welfare Deans.
OP, if you think that having your writing criticised is a personal insult (it isn't), you may be in for a shock when you go to university.

https://www.writingforward.com/writing-tips/good-grammar-and-bad-manners

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