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Termination due to DBS - MSc Mental Health Nursing

I was offered a place to study MSc in MH Nursing this Sept which I have been attending for 6 weeks. I disclosed my caution of ‘battery’ (2022) at the point of offer beginning of July and followed all the correct protocols of what happened in the unfortunate incident, including two references. I had been employed with a mental health service after the caution & for the last year. I had repeatedly been chasing the outcome of my DBS but had no responses. I was called into a meeting last Friday to have my place withdrawn, and to reapply for next September 2025. I feel absolutely devastated. I had been honest and followed all the correct protocols, and was receiving no responses from anyone. I had engaged with all the learning, made friends, had my Hep B vaccinations, received my student finance, allocated my first placement, left my current job role, changed my daughters nursery ETC. Throughout the meeting, I was reassured that I have been a positive influence to the study body. I was told even if I appeal it won’t change the outcome. I feel completely deflated and my concerns aren’t being listened to - I’ve only been given the option to complain to the DBS team. I have no job, and I am now going to incur debts with SF. I have two young children to support. I am terrified of the same experience happening to me next year. I was advised in the meeting my place would be deferred and now I’m being told I have to reapply again. My health was even brought in as a barrier of fitness to practice despite an occupational health clearance.

Does anyone have any advice as I am really struggling.
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Original post by nikkihp1992
I was offered a place to study MSc in MH Nursing this Sept which I have been attending for 6 weeks. I disclosed my caution of ‘battery’ (2022) at the point of offer beginning of July and followed all the correct protocols of what happened in the unfortunate incident, including two references. I had been employed with a mental health service after the caution & for the last year. I had repeatedly been chasing the outcome of my DBS but had no responses. I was called into a meeting last Friday to have my place withdrawn, and to reapply for next September 2025. I feel absolutely devastated. I had been honest and followed all the correct protocols, and was receiving no responses from anyone. I had engaged with all the learning, made friends, had my Hep B vaccinations, received my student finance, allocated my first placement, left my current job role, changed my daughters nursery ETC. Throughout the meeting, I was reassured that I have been a positive influence to the study body. I was told even if I appeal it won’t change the outcome. I feel completely deflated and my concerns aren’t being listened to - I’ve only been given the option to complain to the DBS team. I have no job, and I am now going to incur debts with SF. I have two young children to support. I am terrified of the same experience happening to me next year. I was advised in the meeting my place would be deferred and now I’m being told I have to reapply again. My health was even brought in as a barrier of fitness to practice despite an occupational health clearance.

Does anyone have any advice as I am really struggling.

Nowhere in your post (well, other than the title!) have you said, explicitly, that the reason your place has been withdrawn was because of the DBS check. Did they give that as the reason? In writing?

The reason I ask is that it's still going to appear on your DBS check next year, so what why would they suggest that you simply reapply? Why would the outcome be any different?

Have you been able to establish what their criteria are? Does any indication of violence in your DBS check result in a withdrawal? Or are there levels, or timescales involved? If you know the criteria, then you're in a position to confirm (a) whether they've been applied correctly (and to challenge the decision if not) and (b) whether or not you'd still fall foul of those same criteria next year.

To be told that "even if I appeal it won’t change the outcome" sounds like nonsense to me. There would be no point in them having an appeals process if a successful appeal could never impact the decision to be withdrawn. Or perhaps they're telling you that the appeal will not be successful?

It makes no sense for you to be withdrawn in October for something that you made them aware of in July. Have you seen the results of the DBS check yourself. Is there anything else in there which you didn't declare? Is the caution recorded accurately?

Finally, you say that your "health was even brought in as a barrier of fitness to practice". Was that in writing? Is there any way in which your health could present an issue? Or were they just throwing something else in there in at attempt to validate the decision?
Reply 2
Original post by DataVenia
Nowhere in your post (well, other than the title!) have you said, explicitly, that the reason your place has been withdrawn was because of the DBS check. Did they give that as the reason? In writing?
The reason I ask is that it's still going to appear on your DBS check next year, so what why would they suggest that you simply reapply? Why would the outcome be any different?
Have you been able to establish what their criteria are? Does any indication of violence in your DBS check result in a withdrawal? Or are there levels, or timescales involved? If you know the criteria, then you're in a position to confirm (a) whether they've been applied correctly (and to challenge the decision if not) and (b) whether or not you'd still fall foul of those same criteria next year.
To be told that "even if I appeal it won’t change the outcome" sounds like nonsense to me. There would be no point in them having an appeals process if a successful appeal could never impact the decision to be withdrawn. Or perhaps they're telling you that the appeal will not be successful?
It makes no sense for you to be withdrawn in October for something that you made them aware of in July. Have you seen the results of the DBS check yourself. Is there anything else in there which you didn't declare? Is the caution recorded accurately?
Finally, you say that your "health was even brought in as a barrier of fitness to practice". Was that in writing? Is there any way in which your health could present an issue? Or were they just throwing something else in there in at attempt to validate the decision?

Thank you for your reply - I indicated at the beginning of the post it was a ‘caution for battery’ in May 2022. I had worked in a job since then with a mental health service, who also presented reference and judgement on my character. I had disclosed all information correctly and what was consistent with on my DBS, therefore nothing else appeared. My health has not presented with any issues so I am unclear why this was bought into the debate. I have engaged in 6 weeks of learning to now have my offer withdrawn.
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Reply 3
depends on the assault. if it was against a child or vulnerable adult or someone in your care. then im guessing the nmc said no. but it seems odd
Reply 4
depends on the assault. if it was against a child or vulnerable adult or someone in your care. then im guessing the nmc said no. but it seems odd

It was for battery from a domestic incident in May 2022. I’m definitely not trying to downplay it as I made an error that I have been honest and open with the university about since disclosure. But I am being provided so much conflicting information about my stance. I have been advised I would be deferred till next year, but this was a mistake. I now have to reapply. I can’t understand why next year would be different if the battery caution will remain on my DBS. I’m more upset this has happened 6 weeks into my course.
Reply 5
This is terrible, you were honest from the start and your application was not taken seriously. I feel bad for you because of all the upheaval. If i was you i would make a formal complaint to the university. Get them to compensate for everything. You need to formally complain to SFE too. You shouldn't have to owe a penny to anyone. Make the university pay!
Try to go somewhere else and let them know what happened to you. The battery problem was in 22 which is not long ago. This could be the problem.

The university should have the decency to tell you specifically reasons for withdrawal.
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Reply 6
Were you honest with the university about the potential issue on the DBS or did you wait and see if it showed and then engaged them once it did?

Recent violent incidents/behaviour is a concern, especially when you will be working with vulnerable individuals in a high stress environment. The fact that you have been employed in a similar environment since and there have been no causes for concern (as per your refs) is obviously a good thing. However, if you did not disclose the caution prior to the DBS disclosure forcing your hand (essentially lying by omission), you have breached the NMC code (23.2).

If you have the opportunity to reapply next intake, be 100% open re your caution at the earliest opportunity, as per the NMC code of conduct. Having a caution or conviction doesn't necessarily stop you practicing but lying about it (including lying by omission) does.
Original post by MScMaybe
Were you honest with the university about the potential issue on the DBS or did you wait and see if it showed and then engaged them once it did?

Recent violent incidents/behaviour is a concern, especially when you will be working with vulnerable individuals in a high stress environment. The fact that you have been employed in a similar environment since and there have been no causes for concern (as per your refs) is obviously a good thing. However, if you did not disclose the caution prior to the DBS disclosure forcing your hand (essentially lying by omission), you have breached the NMC code (23.2).

If you have the opportunity to reapply next intake, be 100% open re your caution at the earliest opportunity, as per the NMC code of conduct. Having a caution or conviction doesn't necessarily stop you practicing but lying about it (including lying by omission) does.

Your post suggests that @nikkihp1992's hand may have been forced, upon the information about their caution being revealed on the DBS. Nothing they have written supports that timeline.

They wrote, "I disclosed my caution of ‘battery’ (2022) at the point of offer beginning of July" and "I had repeatedly been chasing the outcome of my DBS but had no responses."

Are you suggesting that they should have disclosed the caution at the point of application? That's the only way that they could have disclosed it earlier than they did. :confused:
Reply 8
I missed the July disclosure, prior to DBS application. Hence my post trying to clarify timeline. It wasn't an accusatory post. Apologies, OP, I hope you can get answers and find a way through.
Reply 9
Original post by MScMaybe
Were you honest with the university about the potential issue on the DBS or did you wait and see if it showed and then engaged them once it did?
Recent violent incidents/behaviour is a concern, especially when you will be working with vulnerable individuals in a high stress environment. The fact that you have been employed in a similar environment since and there have been no causes for concern (as per your refs) is obviously a good thing. However, if you did not disclose the caution prior to the DBS disclosure forcing your hand (essentially lying by omission), you have breached the NMC code (23.2).
If you have the opportunity to reapply next intake, be 100% open re your caution at the earliest opportunity, as per the NMC code of conduct. Having a caution or conviction doesn't necessarily stop you practicing but lying about it (including lying by omission) does.

I was honest from the onset. All the information I disclosed was consistent with the information on the certificate which was a Caution for Battery in 2022 from a domestic incident. I have followed all the NMC Code of Conduct.

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