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Fourth Monkey

Hey everyone. Does anyone have any experience of Fourth Monkey? My son has an online audition with them early Nov. It’s his 1st audition as it’s a direct application school. What are they like by reputation? Id be grateful for any thoughts as they don’t seem to come up much in chats (I wonder if that’s telling!?)
We’re just finalising UCAS & Conservatoire forms (what a minefield!) bit it’ll be good to get one audition under the belt.
Thanks!
Original post by DramaMarma
Hey everyone. Does anyone have any experience of Fourth Monkey? My son has an online audition with them early Nov. It’s his 1st audition as it’s a direct application school. What are they like by reputation? Id be grateful for any thoughts as they don’t seem to come up much in chats (I wonder if that’s telling!?)
We’re just finalising UCAS & Conservatoire forms (what a minefield!) bit it’ll be good to get one audition under the belt.
Thanks!

Unless things have changed in the past couple of years, I would say do the audition but don't go there. I think they have a poor reputation with few graduates getting good roles. I watched a performance by their graduating students some years ago now and it was like a school play. Compared to similar performances at Lamda and Rada, it was very poor.
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Go to a conventional Drama School - the problem with these sort of 'pretend schools' is that they have no reputation and agents, directors and producers do not waste their time visiting their shows. If your daughter wants a career in the theatre then do not even audition there. RADA, Bristol Old Vic, Guildhall etc are the only places she should be applying.
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Thanks that’s really useful feedback. I think my son will audition, for the experience anyway, but we will very much reserve judgement.
Original post by DramaMarma
Thanks that’s really useful feedback. I think my son will audition, for the experience anyway, but we will very much reserve judgement.

Yes, any audition experience is good. My cynical side says they'll probably praise him to the heavens in a bid to draw him in.

I'd also echo the post by @McGinger above. Unless your son gets into an established drama school he will be struggling to make a living as an actor. That goes not just for fringe schools such as Fourth Monkey, but for university drama degrees. Some of the latter do indeed have a decent amount of practical work, but it's not of the same quality and depth as a drama school and agents don't come knocking. It's possible to carve out a drama career from such a background, but the chances are much reduced.
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Thanks. We have done the research and realise the difference in studying drama at Uni. He is applying to the more established schools (RADA, GSA, Italia Conti etc) but we thought Fourth Monkey sounded really interesting and that it is beginning to garner a positive reputation in the industry rather than being a ‘pretend drama school’. The negative comments make me wary though so we will proceed with caution!
Original post by DramaMarma
Thanks. We have done the research and realise the difference in studying drama at Uni. He is applying to the more established schools (RADA, GSA, Italia Conti etc) but we thought Fourth Monkey sounded really interesting and that it is beginning to garner a positive reputation in the industry rather than being a ‘pretend drama school’. The negative comments make me wary though so we will proceed with caution!

Fourth Monkey is not well regarded - to put it brutally, expect to be offered a place as the talent simply doesn't choose it. They will likely try to draw him in but if your son is recalled at any of the accredited schools without going all the way, he'd be much better off taking a year out and reapplying to those, or doing a foundation year. I'd also choose a decent university acting course (Chichester, UCLAN, Falmouth) over Fourth Monkey any day. Good luck!
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Original post by dollylevi
Fourth Monkey is not well regarded - to put it brutally, expect to be offered a place as the talent simply doesn't choose it. They will likely try to draw him in but if your son is recalled at any of the accredited schools without going all the way, he'd be much better off taking a year out and reapplying to those, or doing a foundation year. I'd also choose a decent university acting course (Chichester, UCLAN, Falmouth) over Fourth Monkey any day. Good luck!


Thanks - that’s useful and noted! While I don’t doubt you, can I ask where you get your insight from? Are you involved in the acting profession? Or a student?
Original post by DramaMarma
Thanks - that’s useful and noted! While I don’t doubt you, can I ask where you get your insight from? Are you involved in the acting profession? Or a student?

My offspring is a student at a federated drama school, so was on the audition circuit for two years - you hear stories. Working actors (RSC / TV) are acquaintances, one of whom also happens to be on the board of a top London school. It's all chance but it's been helpful to learn from them how the industry views things from the other side.
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Yes that is (again!) helpful. Thanks for your openness. This is all new to us. Offspring here is desperate to begin the next phase and tempted to go with anywhere that makes him an offer first time around, whereas I think he should take a year out if he only gets an offer from this school. He’s so keen it’s hard to tell him to wait. (But this is all hypothetical at this stage anyway!)
Original post by DramaMarma
Yes that is (again!) helpful. Thanks for your openness. This is all new to us. Offspring here is desperate to begin the next phase and tempted to go with anywhere that makes him an offer first time around, whereas I think he should take a year out if he only gets an offer from this school. He’s so keen it’s hard to tell him to wait. (But this is all hypothetical at this stage anyway!)

No, just, no!

It usually takes time to get into a good drama school. I used to recommend this blog on here though it's quite old now: https://aspiringactresssite.wordpress.com/

For my insight... my wife and I used to go to a lot of final year productions at Lamda and Rada. Our very first was Henry IV at Lamda, featuring Joseph Quinn, Callum Woodhouse and Josef Davies. That's the sort of company your son should be aspiring to join.

We also have a friend who is a reasonably successful professional actor (RSC, Hull Truck, BBC/ITV dramas etc) who went to Guildhall. And another friend who studied drama at a university and who struggles to make a living at minor theatres, Edinburgh fringe etc.
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Thanks again. I know you’re right! Will pass this on :wink:
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Original post by ageshallnot
No, just, no!
It usually takes time to get into a good drama school. I used to recommend this blog on here though it's quite old now: https://aspiringactresssite.wordpress.com/
For my insight... my wife and I used to go to a lot of final year productions at Lamda and Rada. Our very first was Henry IV at Lamda, featuring Joseph Quinn, Callum Woodhouse and Josef Davies. That's the sort of company your son should be aspiring to join.
We also have a friend who is a reasonably successful professional actor (RSC, Hull Truck, BBC, ITV etc) who went to Guildhall. And another friend who studied drama at a university and who struggles to make a living at minor theatres, Edinburgh fringe etc.


And thanks for the link to that blog too. Just been reading it and it’s so useful!
Original post by DramaMarma
And thanks for the link to that blog too. Just been reading it and it’s so useful!

One other point. Any actor has to get used to rejection. It's part of the business and happens more often than winning a part. The same applies to getting into drama school.
Original post by DramaMarma
Yes that is (again!) helpful. Thanks for your openness. This is all new to us. Offspring here is desperate to begin the next phase and tempted to go with anywhere that makes him an offer first time around, whereas I think he should take a year out if he only gets an offer from this school. He’s so keen it’s hard to tell him to wait. (But this is all hypothetical at this stage anyway!)

My young person auditioned for two years including a Foundation course (at an accredited drama school) and that was still pretty quick. Lots of students on his current course are in their mid 20s and to be honest, they're probably better actors for it. But the whole audition process, including the inevitable rejections, is a great learning and maturing experience. Visit the FDS website (Federation of Drama Schools) and look at its list of members: those are the schools worth targeting. Just be aware that a couple (e.g. Mountview, OSD and possibly ArtsEd) are private and therefore not eligible for student finance.
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Original post by ageshallnot
One other point. Any actor has to get used to rejection. It's part of the business and happens more often than winning a part. The same applies to getting into drama school.


Yes of course!
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Original post by dollylevi
My young person auditioned for two years including a Foundation course (at an accredited drama school) and that was still pretty quick. Lots of students on his current course are in their mid 20s and to be honest, they're probably better actors for it. But the whole audition process, including the inevitable rejections, is a great learning and maturing experience. Visit the FDS website (Federation of Drama Schools) and look at its list of members: those are the schools worth targeting. Just be aware that a couple (e.g. Mountview, OSD and possibly ArtsEd) are private and therefore not eligible for student finance.


Yep. Done all that, thanks. This whole Fourth Monkey thing is really just a bit of a curveball/experiment so I wanted to know if anyone had any views on it.

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