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I am a current year 13 student waiting to apply, I study maths psychology sociology, ucas predicted AAA, i am hoping to become a solicitor in the future
my priority is to apply for degree apprenticeships, although i am interested in criminal, family, immigration law (‘people’ law) all the apprenticeships I am seeing are for corporate. where can i find the ones I am looking for?
Is it better to do an MLAW degree or just a regular law with criminology degree and then going on to do the SQE?
How is the University of Law as a uni, I am struggling to find people who go there - how does the accom work + the societies?
It may be that at present only large commercial law firms have the resources available to run apprenticeship programmes. Some smaller firms hire graduates as paralegals and support them through professional training to become solicitors.

If you can obtain three As, you can do a lot better than the University of Law. It's worth aiming for a good undergraduate education, whether in law or in another subject, and that is better obtained at a research-led university which has high entrance standards. In addition, such universities offer the wider student experience of social life, sports, and other activities.

Every type of law is about people, and you may find that the areas of law which interest you may develop as you study law.
Original post by user040707
I am a current year 13 student waiting to apply, I study maths psychology sociology, ucas predicted AAA, i am hoping to become a solicitor in the future
my priority is to apply for degree apprenticeships, although i am interested in criminal, family, immigration law (‘people’ law) all the apprenticeships I am seeing are for corporate. where can i find the ones I am looking for?
Is it better to do an MLAW degree or just a regular law with criminology degree and then going on to do the SQE?
How is the University of Law as a uni, I am struggling to find people who go there - how does the accom work + the societies?
Hi, solicitor apprenticeships are really really competitive each firm will usually on want 1-2 apprentices and mostly are for corporate, I haven't seen any others ones as of now. In terms of the degree, it honestly doesn't matter which one you choose, you could do Law with sociology or business or LLB on its own, do your research and I would say pick the one your most interested in. In law the most important thing that matters is the SQE, the degree matters less in my opinion. The SQE has a 44% pass rate and is thought to be one of the toughest exams- that is the ultimate thing you need to worry about when trying to become a solicitor.

In terms of universities, university of law is good and going there is not bad in anyway, however with you being predicted AAA, I would suggest you look into Russel Group unis, they are most prestigious and more 'respected' in a sense. Universities dont matter that much if your interested in criminal, family, immigration- however if you somehow change your mind and want to get into corporate, then going into a RG uni is way more attractive and increases your chances. For context, top corporate law firm hiring is 20% Non-russel group, 55% RG unis, 8% Oxbridge, and the rest non-uk. Now these stats are a rough estimate the last time I checked.

Overall, its honestly your choice, go to the open days for all the different types of laws/unis, keep in mind that at the end of the day the SQE is the MOST important part and you shouldn't have to worry about that till you finish law school . Good luck!
Original post by Jakeclarke
Hi, solicitor apprenticeships are really really competitive each firm will usually on want 1-2 apprentices and mostly are for corporate, I haven't seen any others ones as of now. In terms of the degree, it honestly doesn't matter which one you choose, you could do Law with sociology or business or LLB on its own, do your research and I would say pick the one your most interested in. In law the most important thing that matters is the SQE, the degree matters less in my opinion. The SQE has a 44% pass rate and is thought to be one of the toughest exams- that is the ultimate thing you need to worry about when trying to become a solicitor.
In terms of universities, university of law is good and going there is not bad in anyway, however with you being predicted AAA, I would suggest you look into Russel Group unis, they are most prestigious and more 'respected' in a sense. Universities dont matter that much if your interested in criminal, family, immigration- however if you somehow change your mind and want to get into corporate, then going into a RG uni is way more attractive and increases your chances. For context, top corporate law firm hiring is 20% Non-russel group, 55% RG unis, 8% Oxbridge, and the rest non-uk. Now these stats are a rough estimate the last time I checked.
Overall, its honestly your choice, go to the open days for all the different types of laws/unis, keep in mind that at the end of the day the SQE is the MOST important part and you shouldn't have to worry about that till you finish law school . Good luck!

Is your opinion based on relevant experience or first hand knowledge? In my experience, law firms tend to be interested in how an applicant did at university, not least because firms make offers of training contracts before applicants have passed the SQE.

Law firms do not, as is commonly supposed, recruit on the basis of the name of the university at which a candidate studied, nor on whether the university is or is not a member of the Russell Group. There tends, however, to be a relationship between the university attended and the quality of a candidate (in many cases but not all). The universities which are the most difficult to join tend to produce competitive candidates for professional jobs.

The University of Law serves a purpose by churning out professional qualifications and PGDLs, but there are many better places to study law as an undergraduate.
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Original post by Stiffy Byng
Is your opinion based on relevant experience or first hand knowledge? In my experience, law firms tend to be interested in how an applicant did at university, not least because firms make offers of training contracts before applicants have passed the SQE.
Law firms do not, as is commonly supposed, recruit on the basis of the name of the university at which a candidate studied, nor on whether the university is or is not a member of the Russell Group. There tends, however, to be a relationship between the university attended and the quality of a candidate (in many cases but not all). The universities which are the most difficult to join tend to produce competitive candidates for professional jobs.
The University of Law serves a purpose by churning out professional qualifications and PGDLs, but there are many better places to study law as an undergraduate.

Majority of my family are lawyers, well to answer you- I was talking about magic-circle/ top law firms. For them going to a top/prestigious university is really helpful and advantageous as students who get into these law firms/training contracts will do vacation schemes during their 1st/2nd year. To get into these vacation schemes only students going into the top unis get them, e.g. Oxbridge/RG unis, this is the general trend-- note this is specifically for corporate/commerical law. If you want to get into family law/criminal law working for 'independent high street firms' this doesn't apply and yes university matters less.
In other words, you have no relevant personal experience or first hand knowledge and are relying on family gossip. You ought perhaps to make that clear before giving misleading advice.
That advice is in no way 'mis-leading', I got this 'family gossip' from a partner in Clifford Chance which is a magic circle law firm, if your so knowledgeable in this, tell me factually where and why what I am saying is wrong.

Here are some sources, https://www.chambersstudent.co.uk/where-to-start/newsletter/law-firms-preferred-universities "The majority of our trainee interviewees 81.4% hailed from a Russell Group university. Out of these, Oxford and Cambridge came out on top, together accounting for almost a fifth of trainees surveyed. Those from other UK universities formed around one seventh of the total, while overseas graduates made up roughly a twentieth." this is for one top law firm. It also provides a breakdown of the unis as well. This is what I found just now without detailed research.

And again I would love you to find me a source or evidence that makes you think 'unis dont matter' for the top law firms- and lets see what this "misleading advice" is about then shall we.
I invite you not to attribute to others statements that they have not made.

I base my observations on many years of experience in the legal profession, in chambers and in law firms, and active involvement in recruiting junior lawyers. I know what Clifford Chance is. I was doing cases for Clifford Chance before you were born.

You contradict yourself. You started by asserting, incorrectly, that the SQE matters more than a degree. You now assert the importance of university. University is indeed important, and I have not suggested otherwise. You miss the point that candidates are recruited for their personal qualities. You are perhaps unaware that several large law firms and barristers' chambers conduct recruitment exercises without disclosure of university names. The correlation between a small group of universities and entry to the legal profession derives from the admission standards and educational standards at the best resourced universities.

On what do you base your contention that the University of Law is "good"?
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Original post by Stiffy Byng
I invite you not to attribute to others statements that they have not made.
I base my observations on many years of experience in the legal profession, in chambers and in law firms, and active involvement in recruiting junior lawyers. I know what Clifford Chance is. I was doing cases for Clifford Chance before you were born.
You contradict yourself. You started by asserting, incorrectly, that the SQE matters more than a degree. You now assert the importance of university. You miss the point that candidates are recruited for their personal qualities. You are perhaps unaware that several large law firms and barristers' chambers conduct recruitment exercises without disclosure of university names. The correlation between a small group of universities and entry to the legal profession derives from the admission standards and educational standards at the best resourced universities.

I dont contradict myself because I said Universities you go to are important for the Magic Circle law firms to get the training contracts and will stand by that. I don’t know what you on about in that.

Initially i said that if your trying to go into criminal/family law for high street law firms, then yes SQE is the most important as the independent firms don’t offer trainee contracts and pay for your SQE. I have work experience of 2 weeks in 2 separate law firms that are on a high street, they directors clearly told me, they offer Paralegal roles for students straight out of uni and then lawyer roles for students who have completed the SQE and have qualified as a solicitor.

Read what i say properly first before going on about you working for Clifford Chance cases before i was born.

Magic Circle Law firms care about your university because they’re so competitive that most applicants are from Oxbridge or Top 10 law schools in country. They are not going to give someone who got a CCD or even BBC in their A levels and is doing a law degree in a top 200 law school in the country. They won’t even advance through the application stage let alone the interview. You haven’t proved me wrong in here and won’t.
I am entertained by your bumptious arrogance. Two weeks work experience and you think you're an expert on the legal profession. Ah, youth!
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Original post by Stiffy Byng
I am entertained by your bumptious arrogance. Two weeks work experience and you think you're an expert on the legal profession. Ah, youth!

So, speaking the truth is considered arrogance now? I guess older, ‘experienced’ people just can’t admit when they’re wrong, even when the facts are clear. It’s funny how quick you are to throw around words like ‘bumptious’ instead of dealing with the truth—seems like all those years haven’t taught you much humility.

Case closed.
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Original post by user040707
I am a current year 13 student waiting to apply, I study maths psychology sociology, ucas predicted AAA, i am hoping to become a solicitor in the future
my priority is to apply for degree apprenticeships, although i am interested in criminal, family, immigration law (‘people’ law) all the apprenticeships I am seeing are for corporate. where can i find the ones I am looking for?
Is it better to do an MLAW degree or just a regular law with criminology degree and then going on to do the SQE?
How is the University of Law as a uni, I am struggling to find people who go there - how does the accom work + the societies?

It’s awesome that you're exploring both degree apprenticeships and law degrees! I totally get where you’re coming from with wanting to focus on 'people' law like criminal, family, or immigration, but finding apprenticeships in these areas can be tricky. Most of the legal apprenticeships out there tend to be corporate-focused, especially with the bigger firms. But don’t be discouraged! You might have better luck looking into smaller or regional firms that specialize in these areas. Websites like the government’s apprenticeship search tool or LawCareers.Net can be good places to start, and sometimes it's worth reaching out directly to firms that focus on the types of law you're interested in.
As for the degree question, both options have their pros. An MLAW degree is great if you’re looking for an integrated master's, and it could help streamline the process by covering more of what you’d need for the SQE, especially SQE1. On the other hand, Law with Criminology gives you a bit of a broader perspective, and if you’re drawn to criminology alongside law, it might be more up your street. Either way, you’d still need to pass the SQE to become a solicitor, so it’s more about which degree will hold your interest and align with your career goals.
In terms of the University of Law (ULaw), it’s definitely more specialized compared to traditional unis, with a strong focus on employability and legal training. We have great connections with law firms, which can be a huge plus when you’re looking for experience or job opportunities. Accommodation-wise, ULaw partners with private providers since we don’t have our own halls, so you’d be looking at private student housing nearby. As for societies, we do have them, but it’s a smaller uni, so the range might not be as broad as at bigger universities. That said, some ULaw campuses are near larger unis where you could potentially join their societies too! or if you'd like to start one, we'll fully support you with everything you need to start one.
I hope that clears things up a bit! Let me know if you’ve got any other questions.
Original post by Jakeclarke
So, speaking the truth is considered arrogance now? I guess older, ‘experienced’ people just can’t admit when they’re wrong, even when the facts are clear. It’s funny how quick you are to throw around words like ‘bumptious’ instead of dealing with the truth—seems like all those years haven’t taught you much humility.
Case closed.

The only thing that is closed is your mind. You are, I gather, not yet at university, but you pontificate about the legal profession with all the confidence of ignorance. You won't get on very well as an undergraduate if you continue to assume that you know everything.

The OP can decide whether to take careers advice from another aspirant law student or from someone with experience of practising law, teaching law, and recruiting and training junior lawyers.
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I'm a fellow Y13 applicant (so take this with a pinch of salt) but to echo some of the earlier messages, have you looked at other universities too, considering your predicted grades? University of Nottingham's Law department in particular dazzled on the open day; the faculty was lovely and seemed to be full of very active student law societies.

Also, corporate/commercial law firms make up a lot of the big degree apprenticeship names, but you could also try emailing local criminal law firms to see if they offer degree apprenticeships. A lot of my smaller local ones don't advertise it publicly but they do actually offer a select number of spots, so it might be worth asking around or sending a few emails? However, if you are undecided on what area to pursue, I wouldn't go for a degree apprenticeship as it can narrow your options to a particular field. Best of luck on your search and applications.
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I'm a fellow Y13 applicant (so take this with a pinch of salt) but to echo some of the earlier messages, have you looked at other universities too, considering your predicted grades? University of Nottingham's Law department in particular dazzled on the open day; the faculty was lovely and seemed to be full of very active student law societies.
Also, corporate/commercial law firms make up a lot of the big degree apprenticeship names, but you could also try emailing local criminal law firms to see if they offer degree apprenticeships. A lot of my smaller local ones don't advertise it publicly but they do actually offer a select number of spots, so it might be worth asking around or sending a few emails? However, if you are undecided on what area to pursue, I wouldn't go for a degree apprenticeship as it can narrow your options to a particular field. Best of luck on your search and applications.

Although my UCAS predicted grades are AAA, I am unsure and uncertain on whether I will actually achieve those grades. This is holding me back from looking at more aspirational unis and rather I’ve been looking at ‘ABB/BBB’ unis, do you think it’s worth looking at aspirational unis anyways.
Original post by Stiffy Byng
The only thing that is closed is your mind. You are, I gather, not yet at university, but you pontificate about the legal profession with all the confidence of ignorance. You won't get on very well as an undergraduate if you continue to assume that you know everything.
The OP can decide whether to take careers advice from another aspirant law student or from someone with experience of practising law, teaching law, and recruiting and training junior lawyers.

It’s impressive how you manage to sound so certain while being so wrong. Throwing around your confidence of ignorance line doesn’t hide the fact that you’re relying on outdated assumptions instead of evidence. I’ve backed up my points—try that sometime instead of just clinging to your years in the field like they’re an excuse not to engage with facts.

Let’s see who the OP finds more convincing: someone who’s facts are backed by actual credible sources or someone who is arrogant enough to rely on outdated experience and a bloated ego instead of real facts.

Just a piece of advice: next time, maybe try proving what you’re saying instead of assuming your so called experience speaks for itself. Sounds like you’ve spent so long listening to yourself talk that you forgot how to make a real argument.
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Original post by user040707
Although my UCAS predicted grades are AAA, I am unsure and uncertain on whether I will actually achieve those grades. This is holding me back from looking at more aspirational unis and rather I’ve been looking at ‘ABB/BBB’ unis, do you think it’s worth looking at aspirational unis anyways.

I think it’s definitely worth it. Something you end up getting reduced offers as well. Don’t bank on it, but I did apply to Exeter (which has a standard offer of AAA) and get an ABB offer, so it could happen to you too!
Original post by Jakeclarke
It’s impressive how you manage to sound so certain while being so wrong. Throwing around your confidence of ignorance line doesn’t hide the fact that you’re relying on outdated assumptions instead of evidence. I’ve backed up my points—try that sometime instead of just clinging to your years in the field like they’re an excuse not to engage with facts.
Let’s see who the OP finds more convincing: someone who’s facts are backed by actual credible sources or someone who is arrogant enough to rely on outdated experience and a bloated ego instead of real facts.
Just a piece of advice: next time, maybe try proving what you’re saying instead of assuming your so called experience speaks for itself. Sounds like you’ve spent so long listening to yourself talk that you forgot how to make a real argument.

You have made incorrect assertions, which I have pointed out to you, but you appear to be so convinced that you can never be wrong because of something a relative has told you that you haven't noticed your errors. You asserted as a generalisation and incorrectly that the SQE matters more than a degree. After having the incorrectness of this assertion pointed out to you, you reversed course and asserted, also incorrectly, that large law firms recruit on the basis of which university candidates have studied at. I have pointed out to you, based on recent and current experience in recruiting for large law firms and sets of chambers, that your view on that is incorrect. You have mistaken correlation for causation.

You express firm views about how the legal profession works, having had two weeks experience in High Street law firms, and not yet having studied law at university. It is only fair to those whom your purport to advise to be informed that you are a bluffer, with no relevant experience or first hand knowledge of the things you bluff about.

You have asserted that the UoL is "good", not stating any grounds for this. I have taught law at three Russell Group universities and have trained junior lawyers for years. I have assessed work done by graduates of UoL. They have received a poor quality of legal education at that university.
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Original post by user040707
Although my UCAS predicted grades are AAA, I am unsure and uncertain on whether I will actually achieve those grades. This is holding me back from looking at more aspirational unis and rather I’ve been looking at ‘ABB/BBB’ unis, do you think it’s worth looking at aspirational unis anyways.

remember, you can apply to more than just one uni, and get a firm and insurance offer! you can apply to a more aspirational uni- let's take the example above of nottingham- and also a uni that requires lower, like ABB. then if you get an offer, you could put notts as your firm and the lower offer as an insurance! if you get the predicted grades in the final thing, then great, and if not you still have a backup 🙂 basically, take the chance.

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