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Do UCL care about personal statements?

Hi! I’m applying to UCL twice as it’s my dream uni, (one for law and one for psychology and language sciences) and I wanted to know if my Law personal statement would affect me getting an offer for psych?
I meet the standard entry level for psych and I’m eligible for a contextual offer too.
I want to hand in my application soon so advice would be appreciated!! 🥲
Original post by The….
Hi! I’m applying to UCL twice as it’s my dream uni, (one for law and one for psychology and language sciences) and I wanted to know if my Law personal statement would affect me getting an offer for psych?
I meet the standard entry level for psych and I’m eligible for a contextual offer too.
I want to hand in my application soon so advice would be appreciated!! 🥲

It’s quite likely that it would yes. I would advise against picking psychology and language sciences as an option, unless your personal statement can cater to both courses. Even then, UCL law is highly competitive, so you’d ideally want your personal statement to be focused on law. Fixating on a competitive university is never a good idea, particularly when applying to a competitive course like law (which has a historical offer rate of 15%). Your LNAT performance, particularly the essay, will probably will hold more weight than your personal statement, but it’s still something that they look at and consider an important factor in decision making. PALS have even less to go off of due to them not using an admissions test, so it would be quite unlikely that they make you an offer with a law focused personal statement, despite their offer rate being higher (75% according to the historical data on UCAS). If you want to study law, by all means apply to UCL, but don’t waste a choice on a completely unrelated course when that spot could have been held for another university’s law course.

If London is your target city, you may wish to look into other universities that offer law. On the more competitive end of the spectrum, you have universities like LSE (who place a heavy emphasis on the personal statement), KCL and QMUL. For safer options, you could look into City, University of London or SOAS. If you end up preferring psychology, you may want to reconsider applying with a law personal statement and adjust your choices accordingly. Perhaps if the courses were more similar you’d have greater luck, but the answer to your question is that it seems unlikely you’d be able to get an offer from PALS with a law personal statement.
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Original post by bibachu
It’s quite likely that it would yes. I would advise against picking psychology and language sciences as an option, unless your personal statement can cater to both courses. Even then, UCL law is highly competitive, so you’d ideally want your personal statement to be focused on law. Fixating on a competitive university is never a good idea, particularly when applying to a competitive course like law (which has a historical offer rate of 15%). Your LNAT performance, particularly the essay, will probably will hold more weight than your personal statement, but it’s still something that they look at and consider an important factor in decision making. PALS have even less to go off of due to them not using an admissions test, so it would be quite unlikely that they make you an offer with a law focused personal statement, despite their offer rate being higher (75% according to the historical data on UCAS). If you want to study law, by all means apply to UCL, but don’t waste a choice on a completely unrelated course when that spot could have been held for another university’s law course.
If London is your target city, you may wish to look into other universities that offer law. On the more competitive end of the spectrum, you have universities like LSE (who place a heavy emphasis on the personal statement), KCL and QMUL. For safer options, you could look into City, University of London or SOAS. If you end up preferring psychology, you may want to reconsider applying with a law personal statement and adjust your choices accordingly. Perhaps if the courses were more similar you’d have greater luck, but the answer to your question is that it seems unlikely you’d be able to get an offer from PALS with a law personal statement.


Thank you for the reply! Last question (even if you state the same conclusion again) one of the tutors for PALS said the grades are what really count and they’re not weighed equally to the personal statement. They said they only really consider the PS when just below standard entry etc.

I’d rather go into debt because of a law degree tbh, but the PALS course is my dream course hence why I’m sacrificing that 5th choice instead of applying for another law degree.
Original post by The….
Thank you for the reply! Last question (even if you state the same conclusion again) one of the tutors for PALS said the grades are what really count and they’re not weighed equally to the personal statement. They said they only really consider the PS when just below standard entry etc.

I’d rather go into debt because of a law degree tbh, but the PALS course is my dream course hence why I’m sacrificing that 5th choice instead of applying for another law degree.


Are you a UK/home fees student? If so, you aren't going into debt in any real sense. Student loans for UK students get written off 40 years after they're taken out anyway, and even while they're in effect, you will only ever make repayments when earning above the threshold (so if lower income, you don't need to pay anything), you only ever pay an amount proportional to your income (so you never pay more than you can afford) and if you're a PAYE worker (i.e. anyone on a company payroll rather than self-employed or a contractor) this is just worked out automatically by your company's payroll department and comes out with your income tax and NI contributions etc. It's a graduate tax in all but name.

In any event regarding the courses, they're completely different courses and psychology is quite competitive. Applying with a completely unrelated personal statement is probably not going to impress even if it's not formally scored.

I'd also note crucially, a law degree does not guarantee any form of employment on graduation, many law graduates are unable to secure a training contract after graduating immediately (sometimes at all), and there are more law graduates than training contracts available. Furthermore, you don't require a law degree to become a lawyer in any event, and 50% of solicitors and barristers polled by the respective industry bodies advised they had a different original undergraduate degree.

There's literally no point to apply to a degree you don't want to do to go into a field of work it doesn't guarantee entry into which the other degree could get you into anyway. It's especially nonsensical to do this in relation to the idea of student debt if you're a UK student as detailed above.

If you want to actually study psychology then apply to psychology degrees. This will have no bearing on your future employment other than potentially opening the option of pursuing the training route to becoming a professional psychologist (which otherwise would necessitate a conversion masters degree at minimum).
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Original post by artful_lounger
Are you a UK/home fees student? If so, you aren't going into debt in any real sense. Student loans for UK students get written off 40 years after they're taken out anyway, and even while they're in effect, you will only ever make repayments when earning above the threshold (so if lower income, you don't need to pay anything), you only ever pay an amount proportional to your income (so you never pay more than you can afford) and if you're a PAYE worker (i.e. anyone on a company payroll rather than self-employed or a contractor) this is just worked out automatically by your company's payroll department and comes out with your income tax and NI contributions etc. It's a graduate tax in all but name.
In any event regarding the courses, they're completely different courses and psychology is quite competitive. Applying with a completely unrelated personal statement is probably not going to impress even if it's not formally scored.
I'd also note crucially, a law degree does not guarantee any form of employment on graduation, many law graduates are unable to secure a training contract after graduating immediately (sometimes at all), and there are more law graduates than training contracts available. Furthermore, you don't require a law degree to become a lawyer in any event, and 50% of solicitors and barristers polled by the respective industry bodies advised they had a different original undergraduate degree.
There's literally no point to apply to a degree you don't want to do to go into a field of work it doesn't guarantee entry into which the other degree could get you into anyway. It's especially nonsensical to do this in relation to the idea of student debt if you're a UK student as detailed above.
If you want to actually study psychology then apply to psychology degrees. This will have no bearing on your future employment other than potentially opening the option of pursuing the training route to becoming a professional psychologist (which otherwise would necessitate a conversion masters degree at minimum).


Hi yes I’m from the UK so I am in receipt.
I come from a background of low income so fees/value of the degree is incredibly important to me.

I will definitely consider my actual goals now, I thought law would provide more transferable skills but I think I may be wrong.
(In my head, law provides more stability/breadth than psychology and my teachers have told me the same)
Original post by The….
Hi yes I’m from the UK so I am in receipt.
I come from a background of low income so fees/value of the degree is incredibly important to me.

I will definitely consider my actual goals now, I thought law would provide more transferable skills but I think I may be wrong.
(In my head, law provides more stability/breadth than psychology and my teachers have told me the same)

My point regarding the student loans is that it shouldn't be a consideration especially as someone from a lower income background because it's not like a bank loan where it affects your credit or they will send bailiffs for repayments. If you end up in a low income occupation after graduating, you will earn less than the threshold and not make repayments, then the loan gets written off after 40 years regardless of how much you've repaid or not. It's literally something that should not be a consideration whatsoever.

In terms of prospects after the degree, realistically this is not really linked to your degree subject and has more to do with you what you do to make yourself employable during the degree. Research has found even comparing STEM and non-STEM graduates that career and salary outcomes are equivalent within 10 years of graduation. So between areas like psychology and law it's realistically a non-factor also. Aim for the best uni you can and do a course you actually enjoy. Realistically you're probably going to be competing for the same jobs as all other grads regardless of your subject i.e. generalist grad schemes in e.g. banking, the media, the civil service, accounting, etc.
Original post by The….
Thank you for the reply! Last question (even if you state the same conclusion again) one of the tutors for PALS said the grades are what really count and they’re not weighed equally to the personal statement. They said they only really consider the PS when just below standard entry etc.
I’d rather go into debt because of a law degree tbh, but the PALS course is my dream course hence why I’m sacrificing that 5th choice instead of applying for another law degree.

To echo what’s already been said, you can study psychology and still go into law. Just because you intuitively feel that studying law is worth the debt over studying psychology doesn’t mean that it will be. Law degrees are hard work and the legal field is incredibly competitive. It’s getting to the point now where if you haven’t signed up for dozens of first year schemes and don’t have a picture perfect LinkedIn, you’ll feel (but not necessarily be) at a disadvantage against other applicants for vac schemes and mini pupillages. If you don’t have a passion for law at an academic level the same way as you do psychology, studying it will never be worth the debt. To put it simply, you won’t enjoy it. Be certain that your academic interest in law is at the very least stronger than your interests in other areas (including PALS, which you’ve described as your dream course). Again, it’s quite unlikely you’ll be offered a place for PALS unless UCL completely disregard the personal statement, which they don’t as they merely stated to you that they value grades more.

Personally, I made the switch from psychology to law a while ago due to me not enjoying certain aspects of the A level that would be more intense at degree level and discovering a passion for law at an academic level. I now have interests in other areas like philosophy and politics, but what helped me to decide on applying to study law this year was considering which degree would best serve my academic interests - law simply came out on top. You can still engage with other areas if you’re studying law. In fact, it’s probably wise to do so. If you’re still interested in psychology, you could fulfil that desire to learn more about it by engaging with debates in the psychological field, reading psychology related books, joining a psychology society at university and looking into new psychological research when you get the time. The same applies for law. If you end up settling on psychology but still want a career in law, joining your university’s law society is the best place to start. Universities almost always have a non-law rep to help guide those looking to enter the legal field coming from non-legal academic backgrounds.

Even if debt is a concern for you, if you are able to secure a training contract for example, your firm may pay for your conversion course (if they require you to complete one) before investing money into your SQE fees in preparation for your training contract to actually start. You might also be eligible for masters funding to cover this. I was given some advice by someone I know who works in the legal industry when it comes to debt; because it leaves you before you even get your pay check, it doesn’t really feel like your losing any money, because you’ll have never seen that money in the first place. Maybe if you’ll do the maths you’ll see it, but in reality it’s a small drop out of your income. I also come from a low income background, so I do understand your concerns, but it’s important to study a subject that you’re passionate about.
As someone from a non-affluent background who made it into the legal profession via a history degree, I agree with the very good advice given above. Study a thing that you really like. Don't worry about monetising the degree. I am of the lucky generations who received fees and grants for university, but the student loan is, as noted above, in reality a tax on those graduates who earn above a certain amount, and paying it back is not a big deal for a person in a professional job. It's not like student debt in the USA.

A cautionary note: the legal profession has never been easy to get into (save, back in the day, for the children of lawyers, before meritocracy became the norm), but right now the profession is bonkers hard to get into. There are too many people chasing too few places. This is not to say don't try, but have your eyes wide open about the chances of success, and have a plan B.
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Original post by bibachu
To echo what’s already been said, you can study psychology and still go into law. Just because you intuitively feel that studying law is worth the debt over studying psychology doesn’t mean that it will be. Law degrees are hard work and the legal field is incredibly competitive. It’s getting to the point now where if you haven’t signed up for dozens of first year schemes and don’t have a picture perfect LinkedIn, you’ll feel (but not necessarily be) at a disadvantage against other applicants for vac schemes and mini pupillages. If you don’t have a passion for law at an academic level the same way as you do psychology, studying it will never be worth the debt. To put it simply, you won’t enjoy it. Be certain that your academic interest in law is at the very least stronger than your interests in other areas (including PALS, which you’ve described as your dream course). Again, it’s quite unlikely you’ll be offered a place for PALS unless UCL completely disregard the personal statement, which they don’t as they merely stated to you that they value grades more.
Personally, I made the switch from psychology to law a while ago due to me not enjoying certain aspects of the A level that would be more intense at degree level and discovering a passion for law at an academic level. I now have interests in other areas like philosophy and politics, but what helped me to decide on applying to study law this year was considering which degree would best serve my academic interests - law simply came out on top. You can still engage with other areas if you’re studying law. In fact, it’s probably wise to do so. If you’re still interested in psychology, you could fulfil that desire to learn more about it by engaging with debates in the psychological field, reading psychology related books, joining a psychology society at university and looking into new psychological research when you get the time. The same applies for law. If you end up settling on psychology but still want a career in law, joining your university’s law society is the best place to start. Universities almost always have a non-law rep to help guide those looking to enter the legal field coming from non-legal academic backgrounds.
Even if debt is a concern for you, if you are able to secure a training contract for example, your firm may pay for your conversion course (if they require you to complete one) before investing money into your SQE fees in preparation for your training contract to actually start. You might also be eligible for masters funding to cover this. I was given some advice by someone I know who works in the legal industry when it comes to debt; because it leaves you before you even get your pay check, it doesn’t really feel like your losing any money, because you’ll have never seen that money in the first place. Maybe if you’ll do the maths you’ll see it, but in reality it’s a small drop out of your income. I also come from a low income background, so I do understand your concerns, but it’s important to study a subject that you’re passionate about.


My academic interest for law is pretty much the same as psychology.
I don’t actually think i’ll enjoy 3 years at uni plus the 1 year conversion. I’m smart but I’m not very academically driven (that does NOT mean i’m not willing to try) so I don’t know if the conversion year would attract me after getting a an undergrad degree already ??
I’m a very pessimistic person so even if I did do the psych degree I’d feel like it was a waste of time for the entire 3 years.

I think i’m just being incredibly irrational now, I’m probably going to stick with psychology and figure it out from there + do extra research and properly organise my 5 year plan.
Again, thank you immensely for your advice.
Read Michel de Montaigne and Hans Rosling, and discover rational optimism.

Please note that a career at the Bar involves a strong continuing academic element. The Bar is in some respects a quasi-Donnish profession. Thinking about the law, writing about the law, and arguing about the law are essential parts of the job. Some solicitors like to claim that they have forgotten all the law they ever learned, and say that they focus on the business of law, not the practice of law, but, in reality, to be a capable solicitor you need a good grasp of legal fundamentals, although most solicitors probably spend less time staring at law books than do most barristers.

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