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How has your local area changed due to immigration?

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Reply 180

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by tazarooni89
I did say that at least 9 pages ago. You’d have known that if you actually read the conversation you inserted yourself into.

The problem is your insistence that the issues you raised are caused by the immigrant community, rather than just being a general social problem - which is the reality.
Everyone accepts that there are individuals in society who display anti-social behaviour. What you have singularly failed to do is support your claim that it is the immigrant community who are generally the culprits - "areas of my city ruined by immigration".

You now seem to be admitting that it is merely an opinion based on little more than irrational prejudice. Which is, I suspect, what people assumed in the first place, given the references to things like 'refusal to accept British values', etc.
The fact that the anti-social behaviour you list is often equally (or more so) displayed by native white Brits suggests you are allowing your prejudice to cloud your judgement.

Reply 181

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by 2WheelGod
The problem is your insistence that the issues you raised are caused by the immigrant community, rather than just being a general social problem - which is the reality.
Everyone accepts that there are individuals in society who display anti-social behaviour. What you have singularly failed to do is support your claim that it is the immigrant community who are generally the culprits - "areas of my city ruined by immigration".

You now seem to be admitting that it is merely an opinion based on little more than irrational prejudice. Which is, I suspect, what people assumed in the first place, given the references to things like 'refusal to accept British values', etc.
The fact that the anti-social behaviour you list is often equally (or more so) displayed by native white Brits suggests you are allowing your prejudice to cloud your judgement.


I’ve already explained the observations that have given rise to this opinion.

Reply 182

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by tazarooni89
I’ve already explained the observations that have given rise to this opinion.

And it appears that your opinion is clouded by prejudice against immigrant communities. That is all. No further discussion required.

Reply 183

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by 2WheelGod
And it appears that your opinion is clouded by prejudice against immigrant communities. That is all. No further discussion required.


No it’s informed by observation.

Reply 184

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by tazarooni89
No it’s informed by observation.

But as you only seem able to 'observe" anti-social behaviour when it is committed by immigrants, your opinion does seem to be clouded by prejudice.
Maybe try a bit harder with the observing?

Reply 185

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by 2WheelGod
But as you only seem able to 'observe" anti-social behaviour when it is committed by immigrants, your opinion does seem to be clouded by prejudice.
Maybe try a bit harder with the observing?


I can only observe what exists in front of me.

Reply 186

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by tazarooni89
I can only observe what’s in front of me.

So you admit that your conclusion is knowingly based on flawed and incomplete observation and should never have been drawn in the first place, let alone defended for pages.

(Also, you have previously admitted that other groups indulge in anti-social behaviour, not just immigrants, so you know your conclusion "city ruined by immigration" is wrong)

Reply 187

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by 2WheelGod
The problem is your insistence that the issues you raised are caused by the immigrant community, rather than just being a general social problem - which is the reality.
Everyone accepts that there are individuals in society who display anti-social behaviour. What you have singularly failed to do is support your claim that it is the immigrant community who are generally the culprits - "areas of my city ruined by immigration".
You now seem to be admitting that it is merely an opinion based on little more than irrational prejudice. Which is, I suspect, what people assumed in the first place, given the references to things like 'refusal to accept British values', etc.
The fact that the anti-social behaviour you list is often equally (or more so) displayed by native white Brits suggests you are allowing your prejudice to cloud your judgement.

PRSOM. None of the issues they've described are unique to immigrants or immigrant communities, they can be found almost anywhere in the country. The deeper problems here are economic and societal, blaming immigrants just creates a scapegoat and won't fix the root cause of the problem.

Reply 188

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by 2WheelGod
So you admit that your conclusion is knowingly based on flawed and incomplete observation and should never have been drawn in the first place, let alone defended for pages.


No; forming personal opinions based on personal observation is a pretty normal thing.


(Also, you have previously admitted that other groups indulge in anti-social behaviour, not just immigrants, so you know your conclusion "city ruined by immigration" is wrong)


What has that got to do with it?

Reply 189

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by SHallowvale
PRSOM. None of the issues they've described are unique to immigrants or immigrant communities, they can be found almost anywhere in the country. The deeper problems here are economic and societal, blaming immigrants just creates a scapegoat and won't fix the root cause of the problem.


I haven’t said they’re “unique to immigrants or immigrant communities”.

“But they’re poor” isn’t an excuse in my opinion. Blame absolutely lies with the individuals who do these things.
(edited 10 months ago)

Reply 190

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by tazarooni89
No; forming opinions based on observation is a pretty normal thing.
But those opinions are often wrong because of skewed or incomplete observation, or bias in opinion forming. As is the case here. Understanding and accepting when that has happened is as useful as being able to form an opinion in the first place, maybe more so.

Reply 191

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by 2WheelGod
But those opinions are often wrong because of skewed or incomplete observation, or bias in opinion forming. As is the case here. Understanding and accepting when that has happened is as useful as being able to form an opinion in the first place, maybe more so.


That could be true of any opinion formed by observation. I see no reason to think that it particularly is the case here.

Reply 192

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by tazarooni89
I haven’t said they’re “unique to immigrants or immigrant communities”.
“But they’re poor” isn’t an excuse in my opinion. Blame absolutely lies with the individuals who do these things.

Even if you just were to blame individual people, it will still not resolve the root cause of these problems. Poverty, job prospects and various other socioeconomic factors contribute towards people engaging in antisocial behaviour.

Reply 193

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by tazarooni89
That could be true of any opinion formed by observation. I see no reason to think that it particularly is the case here.

Yes, we get it.
You believe your city has been "ruined by immigration" and you are not prepared to change your opinion, regardless of the actual reality of the situation.

Reply 194

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by 2WheelGod
Yes, we get it.
You believe your city has been "ruined by immigration" and you are not prepared to change your opinion, regardless of the actual reality of the situation.


You haven’t told me anything about the “reality of the situation”.

Reply 195

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by SHallowvale
Even if you just were to blame individual people, it will still not resolve the root cause of these problems. Poverty, job prospects and various other socioeconomic factors contribute towards people engaging in antisocial behaviour.


I agree. But my post isn’t an attempt to resolve the problem, it’s just an answer to the OP’s question.

Reply 196

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by tazarooni89
I agree. But my post isn’t an attempt to resolve the problem, it’s just an answer to the OP’s question.

Right, which is why the point is that the answer creates a scapegoat.

Reply 197

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by SHallowvale
Right, which is why the point is that the answer creates a scapegoat.


A scapegoat is someone you blame who hasn’t actually done anything wrong. I’m blaming people who have done something wrong.

Reply 198

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by tazarooni89
A scapegoat is someone you blame who hasn’t actually done anything wrong. I’m blaming people who have done something wrong.

And by doing so it ignores the root cause of the problem, which is where the scapegoating comes in.

Reply 199

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by SHallowvale
And by doing so it ignores the root cause of the problem, which is where the scapegoating comes in.


What has that got to do with “scapegoating”?

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