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Do I study Biomedical sciences at an IBMS accredited uni or a Russell Group uni?

I am thinking of studying biomedical sciences, and the two universities I am looking at attending the most is Cardiff uni and Exeter Uni. Recently, I found out about IBMS accredited universities, and how you're much more likely to get a job in the field if you study at one of these universities. However, the two closest universities to me which are accredited are universities I wouldn't consider "good", neither are they Russels group uni's.

So, I'm not really sure on what I should do. I would 100% prefer to go to Cardiff or Exeter uni, but if its better for my career, I would attend one of the accredited uni's. I am quite concerned about making the wrong choice and messing up my life later on, so I want to be on the safe side before its too late. Any advice would be helpful
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I have graduated from an IBMS accredited uni in both my BSc and MSc in Biomedical Science. I don’t understand the obsession with Russel Group unis as BMS is one field where it holds you back IF YOU WANT TO WORK IN DIAGNOSTICS.

I have completed 90% of my IBMS portfolio and should hopefully be a BMS once I find another job in an NHS lab.

If you do not want to work in diagnostics, go for Russel, if you want to work in diagnostics, for the love of god, STAY AWAY from them!

If you have any questions, I will happily help. 🙂
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I can also show you some questions I was given in my MSc (not too indifferent to third year BSc but requires far more in depth answers) if you want to see what you’ll eventually get to. 🙂

The uni I attended was UWE (University of West England).
When I applied to unis for BMS for my MSc, I applied to several and given I already had experience working in the NHS before, I got accepted (Cardiff being one of them), however, I decided to go back to UWE as I was familiar with the area (having graduated from there several years earlier) and knew the system (from what I could remember), meaning I knew what I was doing to a certain extent and I didn’t need to spend time adjusting to a new university’s systems.
One final thing. This course will test you mentally and emotionally at times.

During my degree (this was voluntary but I chose to go in), sometimes you will need a heart of stone but also be empathetic.

We had three patients come in at one point to discuss their circumstances (plus plans for the future) they had gone through, including knowing that they could die soon or have had circumstances where both of their children died due to what effectively amounted to drowning in their own fluids and were told when they were 3 years old, both would die by the time they reached 18, which they sadly did. In which case, some of the patients bought loved ones in with them to comfort them.

I’m not doing this to put you off but my university does ensure in your degree (or at least did), that you are ready for the real world and shows you the real world (or should I say offers) not just patient case studies and as such, to be cautious (as in be aware there are times patients will die) but also be sympathetic to the patients when they need it, some people left the course not knowing this and even walked out of lectures when discussing the ethical side of the course.

So whilst you will be working in the labs (if you choose to go through the IBMS route), it doesn’t mean you will be removed from the patients lives.
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Original post by Scienceisgood
One final thing. This course will test you mentally and emotionally at times.
During my degree (this was voluntary but I chose to go in), sometimes you will need a heart of stone but also be empathetic.
We had three patients come in at one point to discuss their circumstances (plus plans for the future) they had gone through, including knowing that they could die soon or have had circumstances where both of their children died due to what effectively amounted to drowning in their own fluids and were told when they were 3 years old, both would die by the time they reached 18, which they sadly did. In which case, some of the patients bought loved ones in with them to comfort them.
I’m not doing this to put you off but my university does ensure in your degree (or at least did), that you are ready for the real world and shows you the real world (or should I say offers) not just patient case studies and as such, to be cautious (as in be aware there are times patients will die) but also be sympathetic to the patients when they need it, some people left the course not knowing this and even walked out of lectures when discussing the ethical side of the course.
So whilst you will be working in the labs (if you choose to go through the IBMS route), it doesn’t mean you will be removed from the patients lives.

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Original post by Joelc07
I am thinking of studying biomedical sciences, and the two universities I am looking at attending the most is Cardiff uni and Exeter Uni. Recently, I found out about IBMS accredited universities, and how you're much more likely to get a job in the field if you study at one of these universities. However, the two closest universities to me which are accredited are universities I wouldn't consider "good", neither are they Russels group uni's.
So, I'm not really sure on what I should do. I would 100% prefer to go to Cardiff or Exeter uni, but if its better for my career, I would attend one of the accredited uni's. I am quite concerned about making the wrong choice and messing up my life later on, so I want to be on the safe side before its too late. Any advice would be helpful

My advice is to try to go to the best university you can get into for your chosen subject. If you want to work as a Biomedical Scientist in a hospital setting, then you should aim for an IBMS accredited course. But be aware that this route isn't for everyone, and analysing routine blood or stool samples isn't exciting. If you want to work in academia, then attending a Russell Group university will help, although the grades you achieve are the most important factor. In the current climate, you ideally need to have attended a good university (top 40) and have scored good grades.

One thing to bear in mind is that the uni you attend will be set against your name forever, so think carefully about what is important to you. For me it was the prestige of the uni, and anything else l saw as a bonus.
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Original post by Physician
My advice is to try to go to the best university you can get into for your chosen subject. If you want to work as a Biomedical Scientist in a hospital setting, then you should aim for an IBMS accredited course. But be aware that this route isn't for everyone, and analysing routine blood or stool samples isn't exciting. If you want to work in academia, then attending a Russell Group university will help, although the grades you achieve are the most important factor. In the current climate, you ideally need to have attended a good university (top 40) and have scored good grades.
One thing to bear in mind is that the uni you attend will be set against your name forever, so think carefully about what is important to you. For me it was the prestige of the uni, and anything else l saw as a bonus.

In what way is 'the university you attend set against your name forever'?
Original post by Joelc07
I am thinking of studying biomedical sciences, and the two universities I am looking at attending the most is Cardiff uni and Exeter Uni. Recently, I found out about IBMS accredited universities, and how you're much more likely to get a job in the field if you study at one of these universities. However, the two closest universities to me which are accredited are universities I wouldn't consider "good", neither are they Russels group uni's.
So, I'm not really sure on what I should do. I would 100% prefer to go to Cardiff or Exeter uni, but if its better for my career, I would attend one of the accredited uni's. I am quite concerned about making the wrong choice and messing up my life later on, so I want to be on the safe side before its too late. Any advice would be helpful

So a lot depends on if you want to be a biomedical scientist. In the UK biomedical scientist is a protected title which makes it a criminal offence to portray yourself as one if you are not registered. To get HCPC registration as a biomedical scientist you need an IBMS accredited degree. (Or you can have your degree assessed later and complete top up modules but this could easily cost £15k and is not covered by a student loan).

If you don't want to be a biomedical scientist then it doesn't matter and you should go to a university that has a course you're interested in.
Original post by HealthcareSci
In what way is 'the university you attend set against your name forever'?

CV, obituary, uni records etc. Possibly even online if you publish your thesis as a research paper (unlikely unless you do an MRes or PhD).
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Original post by Physician
CV, obituary etc.


Original post by Physician
CV, obituary etc.


After your first job (maybe second), no one really looks at your CV (minus for any desirable or essential criteria), I.e no one cares where you went to university or what classification you received. What matters is your experience. As in here for a senior lecture position, it states a PhD, it does not state from where.

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A PhD is a PhD, the place you receive your degree or whatever is requested from is to make sure it meets the criteria/standards for the job I.e if your degree is IBMS accredited or not. It does not state anywhere “from a Top 40 uni”.
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Original post by Scienceisgood
After your first job (maybe second), no one really looks at your CV (minus for any desirable or essential criteria), I.e no one cares where you went to university or what classification you received. What matters is your experience. As in here for a senior lecture position, it states a PhD, it does not state from where.5ED72D49-ADA3-4D4E-9828-9B4526A0591C.pngA PhD is a PhD, the place you receive your degree or whatever is requested from is to make sure it meets the criteria for the job I.e if your degree is IBMS accredited or not. It does not state anywhere “from a Top 40 uni”.

What matters to me may not align with what is important for you. For my part, l wanted Russell Group or the equivalent (Bath, Lancaster, St Andrews, UEA, Leicester, Reading, Loughborough, St George's-City University post merger, SOAS, RVC, Surrey) universities on my CV. It is like a brand thing for the CV. Some employers wont care where you study your degree, whereas others will care a lot in ultra competitive fields, even if you have worked for a decade afterwards.
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Original post by Physician
What matters to me may not align with what is important for you. For my part, l wanted Russell Group or the equivalent (Bath, Lancaster, St Andrews, UEA, Leicester, Reading, Loughborough) universities on my CV. It is like a brand thing for the CV. Some employers wont care where you study your degree, whereas others will care a lot in ultra competitive fields, even if you have worked for a decade afterwards.

I can't say I can say who these employers are who care about RG unis (this is not a slight as I can see why it may come off as agressive) but, in the case of this (diagnostic BMS), that kind of thought is thought to extend to this particular field and is actually a major hindrance. I had a colleague at work who had the same thought process and was an Associate Practitioner at work like myself, having attended an RG uni.

When she learned that RG unis are not IBMS accredited, she had to (and still is) doing further modules to reach the accreditation as they needed to do 7 top up modules in order to work in diagnostics, adding an additional 3 years onto this timeframe.

I am aware you were talking about academia but I have had several lecturers who have taught at UWE who actually graduated from there. RG unis are not a blanket term for better quality unis.
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Original post by Scienceisgood
I can't say I can say where these employers are who care about RG unis (this is not a slight as I can see why it may come off as agressive) but, in the case of this (diagnostic BMS), that kind of thought is thought to extend to this particular field and is actually a major hindrance. I had a colleague at work who had the same thought process and was an Associate Practitioner at work like myself, having attended an RG uni.
When she learned that RG unis are not IBMS accredited, she had to (and still is) doing further modules to reach the accreditation as they needed to do 7 top up modules in order to work in diagnostics, adding an additional 3 years onto this timeframe.
I am aware you were talking about academia but I have had several lecturers who have taught at UWE who actually graduated from there. RG unis are not a blanket term for better quality unis.

It is very possible for someone from lesser universities to succeed in any career of their choosing, given that it is the individual behind the degree certificate that matters most of all. But it cannot be brushed aside that the majority of successful people have studied at top tier universities, so there is a correlation of sorts. The upper middle classes and upper classes may have hidden advantages that may introduce a degree of bias.
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Original post by Physician
It is very possible for someone from lesser universities to succeed in any career of their choosing, given that it is the individual behind the degree certificate that matters most of all. But it cannot be brushed aside that the majority of successful people have studied at top tier universities, so there is a correlation of sorts. The upper middle classes and upper classes may have hidden advantages that may introduce a degree of bias.


All I can say is, if you want to be a BMS, being upper middle and upper class is not happening, at least in the UK. A BMS earns a very average salary, maybe slightly higher if you go up the bands but if you work in the medical field (minus surgeons, doctors, GPS etc…), there is not much money to be made by working in the NHS medical field. Management maybe but that’s right at the top.
Original post by Joelc07
I am thinking of studying biomedical sciences, and the two universities I am looking at attending the most is Cardiff uni and Exeter Uni. Recently, I found out about IBMS accredited universities, and how you're much more likely to get a job in the field if you study at one of these universities. However, the two closest universities to me which are accredited are universities I wouldn't consider "good", neither are they Russels group uni's.
So, I'm not really sure on what I should do. I would 100% prefer to go to Cardiff or Exeter uni, but if its better for my career, I would attend one of the accredited uni's. I am quite concerned about making the wrong choice and messing up my life later on, so I want to be on the safe side before its too late. Any advice would be helpful

Hi there,

So glad to hear you are considering Cardiff Uni! I am a student here and love it! I don't study biomedical sciences, but I understand your concern. I do think Russell Group University's are regarded to a high standard. If you are really wanting to come to Cardiff I think you should apply, and if I were you I would try to talk to someone working in the profession, or a student studying biomedical sciences, we have a unibuddy programme where you can talk to students, if you follow this link you can talk to one of our students, Jingyi, who might know more about this field.
Its great that you are trying to plan ahead, however try not to stress too much, the school of Biomedical Sciences at Cardiff uni, reports 93% of their students were employed or in further study within 6 months of finishing. Also if you are able to get a professional placement year during your studies this will definitely help boost your employability.

Hope this helps, any other questions please let me know,

Grace :smile:- Cardiff Uni Student Rep
Original post by Scienceisgood
All I can say is, if you want to be a BMS, being upper middle and upper class is not happening, at least in the UK. A BMS earns a very average salary, maybe slightly higher if you go up the bands but if you work in the medical field (minus surgeons, doctors, GPS etc…), there is not much money to be made by working in the NHS medical field. Management maybe but that’s right at the top.

I know of a bright, upper middle class young lady who studied theatre / performing arts at Chester, and is now a full-time nanny. She is content with her job, and her parents take care of her financial needs if she needs any extra help. Clearly her head start in life didn't lead to an opening in her first choice profession, but it hasn't mattered for her, as she is from an affluent, loving and stable family background.
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Original post by Physician
I know of a bright, upper middle class young lady who studied theatre / performing arts at Chester, and is now a full-time nanny. She is content with her job, and her parents take care of her financial needs if she needs any extra help. Clearly her head start in life didn't lead to an opening in her first choice profession, but it hasn't mattered for her, as she is from an affluent, loving and stable family background.


I’m sure the OP wants to become a diagnostic BMS, not a nanny, hence the reason for the thread. I’m just here to provide help with regards to the universities that can help with that, of which RG unis are a major hinderance.

A person’s financial beginnings don’t matter (or shouldn’t matter) as what matters is your ability and drive as well as you want to end up on your career and a diagnostic BMS is a vitally important medical career.

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I’m not perusing my career as a BMS for money but because it’s what I want to do as a career.
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Original post by Joelc07
I am thinking of studying biomedical sciences, and the two universities I am looking at attending the most is Cardiff uni and Exeter Uni. Recently, I found out about IBMS accredited universities, and how you're much more likely to get a job in the field if you study at one of these universities. However, the two closest universities to me which are accredited are universities I wouldn't consider "good", neither are they Russels group uni's.
So, I'm not really sure on what I should do. I would 100% prefer to go to Cardiff or Exeter uni, but if its better for my career, I would attend one of the accredited uni's. I am quite concerned about making the wrong choice and messing up my life later on, so I want to be on the safe side before its too late. Any advice would be helpful

Hey @Joelc07

Here at Kingston- we are a IBMS accredited university!

I have dropped the link below if you wanted to look further:
https://www.kingston.ac.uk/undergraduate/courses/biomedical-science-bsc/

I am really enjoying my time as a student at Kingston- especially with the opportunities and facilities that they provide. I personally love living in Kingston, getting easy access to central London on the train while also still being in Greater London without the bustle. Having access to Hampton Court and Richmond is also a plus!

I hope this helped and please let me know if you have any questions!

-Yasmin (Kingston Rep)
Original post by Physician
CV, obituary, uni records etc. Possibly even online if you publish your thesis as a research paper (unlikely unless you do an MRes or PhD).

Honestly I think you are putting far more weight onto the university name than it deserves. But if it is that important to you then I hope it works out.

I will pull up your comment about 'lesser' universities. It's untrue and the statement comes across as dismissive and arrogant. University degrees are set at a national standard and so an undergraduate degree from each university has to be set at that level.

(I have degrees from two Russell Group and two non-Russell Group universities so have lived experience of both. There is nothing 'lesser' about it.)

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