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Is taking further maths as a 4th A-level too much?

I’m a student in year 11 and with college application deadlines nearing sooner than I would like them to, I need to make a decision on my A-level options quite soon. I’m starting to get anxious over choosing my A-level options. I plan to do something to do with computer science and/or engineering at university and I want to try to get interest Oxbridge or Imperial (in a perfect world). I currently get grade 99 in combined science and 9 in physics with a grade 7 in the maths mock but that was before we had covered most of the topics and I feel confident that in the next mock I can get a grade 8 and at least a grade 8 in the GCSE. I am in top set and also take further maths GCSE. I, like many people, used to hate maths. I loved it in primary school but when I went to secondary I fell behind and didn’t have any friends in my class so I felt insecure in my ability. Recently, I’ve begun to fall back in love with maths per say and I think I like it again now. Oxbridge Cambridge and Imperial all highly recommend further maths A-level for my chosen subjects, expecting you to have taken it if your school offers it. If I am correct I think I saw somewhere that 90% of applicants will have further maths. Regardless, with the way they recommend it and also because it will help me get through the course in general as my subjects are heavily maths based, I feel like it will increase my chances of getting in greatly and also help me in the long run. However, if I want to do computer science or engineering in the future (especially for engineering), I will need maths and physics. I also love physics and computer science in general. I also want to take computer science as I love the subject and although not required, it will definitely help me to continue with computing further down the line. I’ve already had to compromise with DT which I also love in order to make room for my other subjects. So further maths would be my fourth A-level but so many people have advised me against it, saying that having 3 strong A-level grades is better than 4 weak ones- which is true. This is worrying me and making me question whether i’ll be able to pull it off or if I’ll end up missing the grade requirements of A*A*A at Cambridge and A*AA at Oxbridge. What should I do?
Reply 1
3 A levels plus FM for those aiming at any sort of STEM degree is probably the only situation where doing 4 A levels makes sense. Many top Unis prefer FM, or give lower grade 4 A level offers. Talk to relevant teachers and ask for their advice, and find out if you could start FM - and if you could drop it later if needed.
Original post by Kileyleeast
I’m a student in year 11 and with college application deadlines nearing sooner than I would like them to, I need to make a decision on my A-level options quite soon. I’m starting to get anxious over choosing my A-level options. I plan to do something to do with computer science and/or engineering at university and I want to try to get interest Oxbridge or Imperial (in a perfect world). I currently get grade 99 in combined science and 9 in physics with a grade 7 in the maths mock but that was before we had covered most of the topics and I feel confident that in the next mock I can get a grade 8 and at least a grade 8 in the GCSE. I am in top set and also take further maths GCSE. I, like many people, used to hate maths. I loved it in primary school but when I went to secondary I fell behind and didn’t have any friends in my class so I felt insecure in my ability. Recently, I’ve begun to fall back in love with maths per say and I think I like it again now. Oxbridge Cambridge and Imperial all highly recommend further maths A-level for my chosen subjects, expecting you to have taken it if your school offers it. If I am correct I think I saw somewhere that 90% of applicants will have further maths. Regardless, with the way they recommend it and also because it will help me get through the course in general as my subjects are heavily maths based, I feel like it will increase my chances of getting in greatly and also help me in the long run. However, if I want to do computer science or engineering in the future (especially for engineering), I will need maths and physics. I also love physics and computer science in general. I also want to take computer science as I love the subject and although not required, it will definitely help me to continue with computing further down the line. I’ve already had to compromise with DT which I also love in order to make room for my other subjects. So further maths would be my fourth A-level but so many people have advised me against it, saying that having 3 strong A-level grades is better than 4 weak ones- which is true. This is worrying me and making me question whether i’ll be able to pull it off or if I’ll end up missing the grade requirements of A*A*A at Cambridge and A*AA at Oxbridge. What should I do?

You could always start with further maths and see how it goes. With the degrees you’re aiming for it’s advisable but it depends on your passion for the subject and what your strengths are as to if you can manage it.
Reply 3
Original post by Kileyleeast
I’m a student in year 11 and with college application deadlines nearing sooner than I would like them to, I need to make a decision on my A-level options quite soon. I’m starting to get anxious over choosing my A-level options. I plan to do something to do with computer science and/or engineering at university and I want to try to get interest Oxbridge or Imperial (in a perfect world). I currently get grade 99 in combined science and 9 in physics with a grade 7 in the maths mock but that was before we had covered most of the topics and I feel confident that in the next mock I can get a grade 8 and at least a grade 8 in the GCSE. I am in top set and also take further maths GCSE. I, like many people, used to hate maths. I loved it in primary school but when I went to secondary I fell behind and didn’t have any friends in my class so I felt insecure in my ability. Recently, I’ve begun to fall back in love with maths per say and I think I like it again now. Oxbridge Cambridge and Imperial all highly recommend further maths A-level for my chosen subjects, expecting you to have taken it if your school offers it. If I am correct I think I saw somewhere that 90% of applicants will have further maths. Regardless, with the way they recommend it and also because it will help me get through the course in general as my subjects are heavily maths based, I feel like it will increase my chances of getting in greatly and also help me in the long run. However, if I want to do computer science or engineering in the future (especially for engineering), I will need maths and physics. I also love physics and computer science in general. I also want to take computer science as I love the subject and although not required, it will definitely help me to continue with computing further down the line. I’ve already had to compromise with DT which I also love in order to make room for my other subjects. So further maths would be my fourth A-level but so many people have advised me against it, saying that having 3 strong A-level grades is better than 4 weak ones- which is true. This is worrying me and making me question whether i’ll be able to pull it off or if I’ll end up missing the grade requirements of A*A*A at Cambridge and A*AA at Oxbridge. What should I do?


I think if it comes down to it, not doing CS A level would be best bet assuming your grades for the others are good. As you said it’s not necessary and even if you think it may help down the line, it probably will but if the compromise stops you from top unis maybe it’s not worth? Also Cambridge sometimes do aspirational offers where the conditions of the offer aren’t just their minimum so u could be offers a place only if u get like e.g 3A* 1A. Others uni may do this too like Oxford or imperial but I think Cambridge does it a lot more usually.
Reply 4
Original post by Kileyleeast
I’m a student in year 11 and with college application deadlines nearing sooner than I would like them to, I need to make a decision on my A-level options quite soon. I’m starting to get anxious over choosing my A-level options. I plan to do something to do with computer science and/or engineering at university and I want to try to get interest Oxbridge or Imperial (in a perfect world). I currently get grade 99 in combined science and 9 in physics with a grade 7 in the maths mock but that was before we had covered most of the topics and I feel confident that in the next mock I can get a grade 8 and at least a grade 8 in the GCSE. I am in top set and also take further maths GCSE. I, like many people, used to hate maths. I loved it in primary school but when I went to secondary I fell behind and didn’t have any friends in my class so I felt insecure in my ability. Recently, I’ve begun to fall back in love with maths per say and I think I like it again now. Oxbridge Cambridge and Imperial all highly recommend further maths A-level for my chosen subjects, expecting you to have taken it if your school offers it. If I am correct I think I saw somewhere that 90% of applicants will have further maths. Regardless, with the way they recommend it and also because it will help me get through the course in general as my subjects are heavily maths based, I feel like it will increase my chances of getting in greatly and also help me in the long run. However, if I want to do computer science or engineering in the future (especially for engineering), I will need maths and physics. I also love physics and computer science in general. I also want to take computer science as I love the subject and although not required, it will definitely help me to continue with computing further down the line. I’ve already had to compromise with DT which I also love in order to make room for my other subjects. So further maths would be my fourth A-level but so many people have advised me against it, saying that having 3 strong A-level grades is better than 4 weak ones- which is true. This is worrying me and making me question whether i’ll be able to pull it off or if I’ll end up missing the grade requirements of A*A*A at Cambridge and A*AA at Oxbridge. What should I do?
I would say do math physics CS and further maths. Start off with further maths for the first few weeks and if you find it to be too much then drop it. Just remember to be realistic about dropping it, only drop it if you are failing tests badly i mean. Everyone will be different to how they would find 4 a levels but you cannot say what is your preference until you try it out yourself
Reply 5
Original post by akashDTV
I would say do math physics CS and further maths. Start off with further maths for the first few weeks and if you find it to be too much then drop it. Just remember to be realistic about dropping it, only drop it if you are failing tests badly i mean. Everyone will be different to how they would find 4 a levels but you cannot say what is your preference until you try it out yourself

I take these A levels! They work fantastically for a computer science degree but if you change your mind they work great for any physics or maths degree. They mesh very well together (you will end up "learning" mechanics at least 3 times though) but as mentioned everything is personal and different things work for different people
Original post by Kileyleeast
I’m a student in year 11 and with college application deadlines nearing sooner than I would like them to, I need to make a decision on my A-level options quite soon. I’m starting to get anxious over choosing my A-level options. I plan to do something to do with computer science and/or engineering at university and I want to try to get interest Oxbridge or Imperial (in a perfect world). I currently get grade 99 in combined science and 9 in physics with a grade 7 in the maths mock but that was before we had covered most of the topics and I feel confident that in the next mock I can get a grade 8 and at least a grade 8 in the GCSE. I am in top set and also take further maths GCSE. I, like many people, used to hate maths. I loved it in primary school but when I went to secondary I fell behind and didn’t have any friends in my class so I felt insecure in my ability. Recently, I’ve begun to fall back in love with maths per say and I think I like it again now. Oxbridge Cambridge and Imperial all highly recommend further maths A-level for my chosen subjects, expecting you to have taken it if your school offers it. If I am correct I think I saw somewhere that 90% of applicants will have further maths. Regardless, with the way they recommend it and also because it will help me get through the course in general as my subjects are heavily maths based, I feel like it will increase my chances of getting in greatly and also help me in the long run. However, if I want to do computer science or engineering in the future (especially for engineering), I will need maths and physics. I also love physics and computer science in general. I also want to take computer science as I love the subject and although not required, it will definitely help me to continue with computing further down the line. I’ve already had to compromise with DT which I also love in order to make room for my other subjects. So further maths would be my fourth A-level but so many people have advised me against it, saying that having 3 strong A-level grades is better than 4 weak ones- which is true. This is worrying me and making me question whether i’ll be able to pull it off or if I’ll end up missing the grade requirements of A*A*A at Cambridge and A*AA at Oxbridge. What should I do?
If you're aiming for Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial then almost all applicants for Computer Science will have Maths, Further Maths and Physics and most will also have Computer Science. The content in Year 1 of Computer Science is the same as A-Level Maths and A-Level Further Maths. So, by taking Further Maths, you'll be at an advantage.

Also, you could sit CP1, CP2 and the 2 optional papers from FM1, FD1 or FP1 or even FS1 or FM2 perhaps? 🙂
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