Uclan physician associate September 2025 entry

I am an MPAS student at uclan, the uni is actually saying they are getting positive vibes from the leng review and less than 12 months ago their employability rate from graduates was 100%. They are submitting evidence towards the leng review to show how robust and rigourous the course is and so is every other PA school. Last year I also attended a meeting when with members of the GMC before regulation when they came to visit uclan and they were very impressed about the structure of the course. Yes you might get placed far on your placements but this is a possibility at any university and on any course.
The university was giving us options on what we could do IF WE wanted to leave the course such as getting a clinical science Bsc or diploma however. They emphasised that they believe it is best if we stay on the course (and finish this current academic year) and wait for the outcome of the leng review before we decide what we'd like to do & again they said from discussions they've has with other universities and this conducting the leng review the future of PAs is looking positive for the next few years. Yes, at the minute job prospects arent the best but this is expected during a time of limbo like this, once this has all blown over there will be an increase in jobs because the GMC wouldn't have regulated PAs if they weren't needed. At the end of the end it's YOUR own decision if you want to do the course, if your bright enough to secure a place then you're more than capable of making a decision based on everything you've seen or heard.

Of course they’ll say that . They want your money . The GMC have agreed to regulate to the scope produced by the Royal colleges. NHS have agreed to follow Royal colleges guidance . That means a limited scope doing basic clinical tasks not diagnosing undifferentiated patients, replacing doctors etc . There are no positive sounds coming from the Leng Review for PAs , have you seen the submissions so far from the Royal colleges , Trish Greenhalgh and the BMA ? Absolutely damning .
Another case of PA negligence in General Practice was in the news yesterday, yet UMAPs - a non registered non independent’ trade union ‘ have issued scopes to tell doctors what to do 🥴
They’ve also started to file the first legal cases of ‘ indirect discrimination ‘ against PAs in GP. These cases put PAs in a lose-lose situation.
Don’t let the universities lie to you . Did they tell you that GPs can be employed through ARRS at the correct rate ? Meaning GP practices will now get GPs (with under 2 yrs experience) for free ? Who do you think GP practices will choose to employ
1) A real Gp
2) A PA with limited knowledge, can’t prescribe or request ionising radiation, requires more supervision and might Sue you if you wish to follow RCGP scope to keep your patients safe .
I know who I'd choose .

Leave this thread please. This is my thread

The BMA have taken the GMC to court and the GMC lawyers were completely out of their depth . Embarrassing really . Looking forward to hearing the outcome of that case . Anaesthetist United case starts in May .
The university doesn’t have any connections to the Leng review , they just want your money so will say anything to get it . The PA role as it is now is FINISHED . It isn’t bullying to say that the role isn’t safe for patients . 2 yrs ( or 4 yrs undergraduate) of PA school isn’t enough to diagnose undifferentiated patients which is why all of the Royal Colleges have either halted recruitment , limited the role or said that there is no role at all for PAs within their specialties .
If you think that Prof Greenhalgh’s paper is biased then you really don’t understand what evidence based research is . I’d trust what she says over a jumped up failed fitness instructor turned fake ‘ trade Union ‘ leader . Do you think drs will adhere to UMAPs Scope ? Written by a guy who hasn’t studied medicine and only worked as a PA for 2 yrs ? You’re having a laugh .
Honestly I feel sorry for you guys . You’ve been sold a pup . You should come together and sue NHS Employers, department of health and the universities who lied to you and continue to lie to this day .
Stephen Nash has single-handedly destroyed any prospect of this PA scandal coming to a good conclusion for you all . Nobody will want to employ a PA in GP who will sue them if they have to work under RCGP scope to keep patients safe . It’s over . Even if the Leng review says that PAs are safe ( they aren’t ) patients will refuse to be treated by them and doctors will simply just refuse to supervise them . There’s nothing that UMAPs or anyone else can do about it .

Lol get a life instead of bullying PA students. We're happily doing the course and your words aren't impacting me in anyway at all. You are not a member of staff from the school of medicine at uclan nor are you a member of the government conducting the review so you can't say they have no connections 😂 who even are you, you're literally no one and having no impact on any outcome of any review. There's no credibility to your words I have personal experience and PAs are still getting employed in all the places I've been on placement whether you like it or not.

@blueberrypop You can say whatever you want and feed into all the negativity from the BMA, who are getting sued atm for the treatment of PAs. You yourself are not conducting the leng review and have no direct contact with any of those who are. The university do have these connections and from personal experience on placement I have shadowed plenty of PAs and they are more than competent in my opinion. You are not helping anyone but instead encouraging the bullying culture that has been adopted towards PAs and is absolutely disgusting behaviour from medical professionals who we should have trust in. These professionals are clearly breaching the professional standards by which they should conduct their practice and not to mention showing absolutely zero signs of the main ethical pillars BENEFICIENCE and NON- MALEFICIENCE. If anyone should be questioned at the minute it is these professionals, I know I would not trust these kind of people with my medical care.
You are commenting on false news, the Trish Greenhalgh review is riddled wirh researcher bias and lack credibility. You are not a PA or medical professional yourself, what personal experience do you have other than what you are seeing online? There are plenty of GPs and hospitals that are still advocating for PAs, there are doctors I have personally spoken to who love the work PAs can offer to their MDT, one in particular saying they wouldn't be able to have the work - life balance that they have without the PAs there to help with their workload. Also plenty of jobs have been offered to student PAs who have made connections through placements especially around UCLan.
No one on this thread is getting any value from what you are saying take your hate elsewhere or even better, get a job and find something useful to do.

Lol get a life instead of bullying PA students. We're happily doing the course and your words aren't impacting me in anyway at all. You are not a member of staff from the school of medicine at uclan nor are you a member of the government conducting the review so you can't say they have no connections 😂 who even are you, you're literally no one and having no impact on any outcome of any review. There's no credibility to your words I have personal experience and PAs are still getting employed in all the places I've been on placement whether you like it or not.

Why are people like you even voicing an opinion? You’re not doing the PA course, so why are you acting like you matter in this conversation? This little two-man hate combo you’ve got going isn’t doing much. You lot keep going on and on like you really ate but you really haven't. Is the PA profession still a profession? Yes, it is. Just because a few egotistical doctors are salty about pay and want to drag the role down doesn’t mean the rest of us have to listen. If you’re that pressed, go talk to the government, they’re the ones writing the pay checks, not us.
Not even that, you wanna talk about patient safety? Let’s get real, there are way more doctors overall who’ve harmed or even killed patients, whether that was intentional or due to negligence. So if that’s your angle, go drag them down too, lads. Keep the same energy across the board instead of fixating on PAs just because it’s trendy. You keep yapping about PAs, bringing up 'evidence' left, right, and centre like you’re really doing something but if that’s the case, why is the NHS still giving out bursaries to PA students? The same NHS that happily employs toxic doctors and nurses too.
You mans might as well start hating on the whole of healthcare at this point, that sounds like a better idea. Because all you keep bringing up is the same tired points: 'lack of education,' 'patient safety,' and a sprinkle of jealous doctors. If that’s your whole argument, it’s looking a little weak, ngl. Your whole life seems obsessed with PAs, constantly 'warning' people not to do the course like you’re some sort of authority. Who are you to tell anyone what they should or shouldn’t do? Is someone forcing you to hate on PAs or do you just wake up bitter for free?

Honestly, there’s no point engaging with these people. I tried defending the profession, but the same few accounts just kept repeating the same arguments over and over. We’re not going to get through to them and we don’t even need to. All they do is sit behind a screen attacking PAs instead of letting people make their own informed decisions.

Honestly, there’s no point engaging with these people. I tried defending the profession, but the same few accounts just kept repeating the same arguments over and over. We’re not going to get through to them and we don’t even need to. All they do is sit behind a screen attacking PAs instead of letting people make their own informed decisions.

The problem I have is that I haven't seen any evidence that people have made informed decisions. I haven't seen evidence that people understand the implications of the Leng Review and I have never seen anyone defending the PA role mention the Leng Review or even the fact that there are fewer jobs advertised currently than there are students on the course or wanting to do the course. Yesterday someone seemed to think that the recent court case would mean more jobs and it wasn't anything to do with jobs.

UCLan is still running this course in fact two courses. Lots and lots of other universities have paused this course for 2025. What I want to know is why this university thinks that it is still appropriate to run a course that is not likely to be for the job advertised in the title of the course? Are there any other masters courses that current PA students can transfer to? When can students expect to hear from the university about the latest information on this job?

The problem I have is that I haven't seen any evidence that people have made informed decisions. I haven't seen evidence that people understand the implications of the Leng Review and I have never seen anyone defending the PA role mention the Leng Review or even the fact that there are fewer jobs advertised currently than there are students on the course or wanting to do the course. Yesterday someone seemed to think that the recent court case would mean more jobs and it wasn't anything to do with jobs.

I engage because I worry about students doing this course and wasting upwards of £25k plus living expenses and getting nothing in return. This is not about the PA job. This is about 2 years of wasted time plus the cost of the course and it leading to nothing. People who are working hard to try to warn you not to do this course are struggling with the fact that you don't seem prepared to listen to the warnings. Even the fact that so many universities have paused or stopped running the course doesn't seem to get through to you.
There are PAs who are unemployed because there aren't any jobs trying to warn you not to do the course. Then there is the Leng Review into the job itself which is easily researched. I personally cannot understand what the attraction is of a course that currently doesn't lead to a job. What is wrong with doing a different masters course that does increase your employment prospects?

If you are currently doing this course you need to contact your university as soon as possible for an update on the name change and the way that the job will change. Many universities have paused the course because no one knows what the name of the job or what the job will be.

I have talked to the university several times over the last few months, I am literally on the course, if the university made me have concerns don't you think I would've raised them? 😂 you people seem to think that PA students have no mind of their own and can't see the same things that you are. The leng review hasn't been published yet so why would anything you are assuming about the outcome matter right now if that's not what's happening. The university have submitted their evidence to the leng review of how rigourous the course is and newly graduated PAs have been recruited in local areas where I have actually seen them on placement. Why would anyone drop out of a course in the middle of the year, yes they'd then be in debt and also have no qualification to get ANY job. The advice you are trying to give isn't helping anyone.
The role will stay. The process of regulation doesn't happen overnight the GMC have started it and are now going to make sure all PA courses are standardised and those practicing as PAs all meet the same requirements.

Exactly why do you think it's the people who hate PAs that are speaking the loudest. Those who are smart enough know that it is a waste of time to argue with people like you who are so against change and can't see that PAs do have a place here and are staying. The lack of jobs has nothing to do with the PA profession. Doctors, nurses and any other healthcare profession within the NHS are struggling at the minute bc the NHS is the problem. The government don't want to fund jobs for anyone. Stop pointing the blame in the wrong place by using PAs as a scapegoat for the issues with the leaders of this country!