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Would Kemi Badenoch make a good PM?

I was just wondering if Kemi Badenoch would be a good Prime Minister if she wins the next general election?

Reply 1

Better than Starmer and better than Reform.
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by Kingdragon
I was just wondering if Kemi Badenoch would be a good Prime Minister if she wins the next general election?

Personally, I know almost nothing about her so have no way of guessing what she'd be like as a prime minister.

At the rate the Conservatives have been going through leaders over the last few years, there's every likelihood that she won't be in post by the time the Conservatives next win anyway.

Reply 3

Badenoch demanded an Ofsted inspection after she fell for obviously fake news story that a pupil was identifying as a cat.

That is the sort of deranged culture wars fanaticism that goes down well in modern conservative circles but does not make one suitable to be PM.

Reply 4

Lol no. She's come after women/families with her remarks against maternity pay, she's come after autistic children because apparently they have it too good, she's come after trans people but that's to be expected I suppose... It just makes me wonder if anyone is safe from this woman? Will I be next on her naughty list? It seems like voting for her carries with it a substantial risk she might just wake up one morning and decide that she hates you.

Reply 5

Nah, as @Captain Haddock basically says above, she's just a bit too openly nasty, not really capable of showing any humility over her actions or the wider parties.

Reply 6

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by StriderHort
Nah, as @Captain Haddock basically says above, she's just a bit too openly nasty, not really capable of showing any humility over her actions or the wider parties.

And shes claiming boris fell into the trap of breaking his own lockdown rules.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/nov/03/covid-bereaved-angered-by-badenochs-insulting-partygate-remarks
So much for thinking about what they did wrong last time.

Reply 7

She is nasty and vile. She would be a terrible PM.

Reply 8

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by Kingdragon
I was just wondering if Kemi Badenoch would be a good Prime Minister if she wins the next general election?

No. None of the tories would.

Reply 10

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by Kingdragon
I was just wondering if Kemi Badenoch would be a good Prime Minister if she wins the next general election?

She needs to decide what she stands for. I don't think vilifying mothers for taking maternity pay is a good place to start. Similarly, she needs to develop a bit of personality. She is very wooden. And if she takes the Tories to the right to fight against Reform, she will consign the Tories to a death march. It would be interesting to see how small 'c' conservatism (the majority of conservatives) would be served in this country.

Reply 11

she was just awful at PMQs today

Reply 12

Talking politically and practically, the obvious difficulty that she would have going into the next election, let alone as Prime Minister, is that she is a loose cannon. She does not think before she talks and is absolutely happy to offend anyone and everyone. When she does, she retorts with the whole "I'm just telling the truth" line, which of course is not only wrong but misses the point. Politics is about messages and how you deliver them, and the delivery is often just as, if not more important than the message. Farage is a prime example of someone whose messages are usually pretty awful when you scratch the surface of them, but he repeatedly finds very effective ways of delivering them. Johnson, too, had nothing more than a paper thin plan on Brexit, but his delivery of that message was excellent going into the 2019 election.

Badenoch has no real message at the moment, but then she's been in post for all of five minutes, so she has time to develop one. The problem is that even if she does develop one, there is nothing that she's shown which suggests that she'll be effective at delivering it. Basically, she's really not shown that she's got any sort of ability as a politician specifically. So yes, as PM she would really struggle, and would likely be pretty disastrous even with a decent majority. The big concern for the Tories, though, should be how someone like Badenoch is going to both make inroads into Labour and fight off Reform at the next election. They're in a really precarious position, as are Labour given the their seat majority is not nearly as stable as it looks. The political landscape in this country could change significantly at the next general election, and at this point I'm almost expecting it to.

Reply 13

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by Crazy Jamie
Talking politically and practically, the obvious difficulty that she would have going into the next election, let alone as Prime Minister, is that she is a loose cannon. She does not think before she talks and is absolutely happy to offend anyone and everyone. When she does, she retorts with the whole "I'm just telling the truth" line, which of course is not only wrong but misses the point. Politics is about messages and how you deliver them, and the delivery is often just as, if not more important than the message. Farage is a prime example of someone whose messages are usually pretty awful when you scratch the surface of them, but he repeatedly finds very effective ways of delivering them. Johnson, too, had nothing more than a paper thin plan on Brexit, but his delivery of that message was excellent going into the 2019 election.
Badenoch has no real message at the moment, but then she's been in post for all of five minutes, so she has time to develop one. The problem is that even if she does develop one, there is nothing that she's shown which suggests that she'll be effective at delivering it. Basically, she's really not shown that she's got any sort of ability as a politician specifically. So yes, as PM she would really struggle, and would likely be pretty disastrous even with a decent majority. The big concern for the Tories, though, should be how someone like Badenoch is going to both make inroads into Labour and fight off Reform at the next election. They're in a really precarious position, as are Labour given the their seat majority is not nearly as stable as it looks. The political landscape in this country could change significantly at the next general election, and at this point I'm almost expecting it to.

One of Badenoch's problems is that she has been in the public eye enough (partially due to her role in government) for it to be difficult for her to backtrack on the stupid things she has said in the past. Her comments about maternity pay, for example, will likely haunt her for the rest of her political career.

This sets her apart from people like Cameron, who took time to develop a political message but was relatively unknown at the time by the wider public.

Agree with you on your last point, it's very difficult to guess where things will go.

Reply 14

Always difficult to make predictions about where things will go... but at the moment it looks like she plans to continue down the Reform/Reform-lite path which is politically dangerous for the Conservatives. Competing with the far/hard right rarely ends well because no matter how to the right you become to "out-right" them, they will always be willing to jump further into the sewer and go beyond the pale than you will, and in the meanwhile you hemorrhage your central ground support.

That aside her general campaigning and media positioning seems to have a lot of misses like the aforementioned maternity pay comments. The bizarreness yesterday criticizing lunchtime sandwiches (which a quick google shows around 2/3rd of brits eat for lunch!), in favor of having steak delivered to your desk by an aide is a strange message to be putting out to modern day Britain and squeezed/struggling households.

Reply 15

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by AMac86
Always difficult to make predictions about where things will go... but at the moment it looks like she plans to continue down the Reform/Reform-lite path which is politically dangerous for the Conservatives. Competing with the far/hard right rarely ends well because no matter how to the right you become to "out-right" them, they will always be willing to jump further into the sewer and go beyond the pale than you will, and in the meanwhile you hemorrhage your central ground support.
That aside her general campaigning and media positioning seems to have a lot of misses like the aforementioned maternity pay comments. The bizarreness yesterday criticizing lunchtime sandwiches (which a quick google shows around 2/3rd of brits eat for lunch!), in favor of having steak delivered to your desk by an aide is a strange message to be putting out to modern day Britain and squeezed/struggling households.

Guess her problem with positioning the torys as reform-lite is that shell probably come off second place compared to farage. This is without even thinking about the role/money of nick candy, the trump/musk wannabe reform connections and farages gb news gig. The "let her eat steak" doesnt come across that well.
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by AMac86
That aside her general campaigning and media positioning seems to have a lot of misses like the aforementioned maternity pay comments. The bizarreness yesterday criticizing lunchtime sandwiches (which a quick google shows around 2/3rd of brits eat for lunch!), in favor of having steak delivered to your desk by an aide is a strange message to be putting out to modern day Britain and squeezed/struggling households.


Yes, a stupid own-goal that one. And then a laughable attempt at a gotcha at Starmer afterwards because he responded to her remarks. "Oh! He's got time to comment on this silly sandwich stuff has he?!". Well yeah, just like you had time to be interviewed. Rookie stuff.

Reply 17

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by mqb2766
Guess her problem with positioning the torys as reform-lite is that shell probably come off second place compared to farage. This is without even thinking about the role/money of nick candy, the trump/musk wannabe reform connections and farages gb news gig. The "let her eat steak" doesnt come across that well.

Shades of William Hague and his 14 pints a day. I suspect her leadership may take a similar trajectory in that the Conservatives are struggling to recover their identity after a crushing defeat.

Reply 18

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by Gazpacho.
Shades of William Hague and his 14 pints a day. I suspect her leadership may take a similar trajectory in that the Conservatives are struggling to recover their identity after a crushing defeat.

Agreed. The problem this time (for her/the torys) is that theyre being attacked from both sides and seen as old/failed.

Reply 19

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by Gazpacho.
Shades of William Hague and his 14 pints a day. I suspect her leadership may take a similar trajectory in that the Conservatives are struggling to recover their identity after a crushing defeat.

Agreed. They don't know what to be which is a shame because love them or loath them, there is a huge demand in this country for conservatism with a small 'c'. The party has been effectively divided by different factions calling for Brexit and latterly unworkable immigration policies all the while being rattled by Farage and his cronies.

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