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guys for gcse edexcel maths do you need to be able to PROVE the circle theorems as well? or just use and state them.
tysm

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Reply 1

Original post by permafrostt
guys for gcse edexcel maths do you need to be able to PROVE the circle theorems as well? or just use and state them.
tysm


Check the mark scheme,
There are a lot of these theorems. I have found a video with explanation to the proofs, look below:



Perhaps it is helpful for you.

Reply 3

Original post by permafrostt
guys for gcse edexcel maths do you need to be able to PROVE the circle theorems as well? or just use and state them.
tysm

U only need to specify/state the rule if the question says so. So like for example if it says 'explain how you got your answer' or 'show your working to your solutions clearly' or something like that then I'd recommend u state the rule u used/found.

Otherwise it should be ok if you don't state the rule

Reply 4

Original post by permafrostt
guys for gcse edexcel maths do you need to be able to PROVE the circle theorems as well? or just use and state them.
tysm

You need to be able to apply your knowledge of circle theorems to calculate angles, and state the circle theorems to explain how you found those angles.

Proving the circle theorems are absolutely not needed.

When I say state a circle theorem, I more mean (let's take the cyclic quadrilateral circle theorem as an example) that you should say 'angle = 180-110=70 (example values) because opposite angles in a cyclic quadrilateral add to 180,' rather than saying the full theorem: 'if a cyclic quadrilateral is inscribed in a circle, the the product of its diagonals is equal to the sum of the product of its two pairs of opposite sides, and from that opposite angles...' I think you get the gist anyway.

Reply 5

Original post by Kallisto
There are a lot of these theorems. I have found a video with explanation to the proofs, look below:

Perhaps it is helpful for you.

TYSM

Reply 6

Original post by SilentPrincess13
U only need to specify/state the rule if the question says so. So like for example if it says 'explain how you got your answer' or 'show your working to your solutions clearly' or something like that then I'd recommend u state the rule u used/found.
Otherwise it should be ok if you don't state the rule

ight thanks

Reply 7

You need to be able to apply your knowledge of circle theorems to calculate angles, and state the circle theorems to explain how you found those angles.
Proving the circle theorems are absolutely not needed.
When I say state a circle theorem, I more mean (let's take the cyclic quadrilateral circle theorem as an example) that you should say 'angle = 180-110=70 (example values) because opposite angles in a cyclic quadrilateral add to 180,' rather than saying the full theorem: 'if a cyclic quadrilateral is inscribed in a circle, the the product of its diagonals is equal to the sum of the product of its two pairs of opposite sides, and from that opposite angles...' I think you get the gist anyway.

Thank youo !
Original post by permafrostt
TYSM


I think that the four big letters mean 'thank you so much'? I am not a big fan of them. In this case: DNMI - do not mention it.

Reply 9

Original post by permafrostt
guys for gcse edexcel maths do you need to be able to PROVE the circle theorems as well? or just use and state them.
tysm

no. just say. (working) because an isosceles triangle has two equal sides and AB and BC both have the same point, O, and therefore, are radii, so must be equal.
for the alternate segment theorem, just state "alternate segment theorem" which doesn't need to be explained, while others need to go in depth, like angle at center is twice the angle at the circumference (which is a bit lengthy)
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Reply 10

Original post by rextee29381
no. just say. (working) because an isosceles triangle has two equal sides and AB and BC both have the same point, O, and therefore, are radii, so must be equal.
for the alternate segment theorem, just state "alternate segment theorem" which doesn't need to be explained, while others need to go in depth, like angle at center is twice the angle at the circumference (which is a bit lengthy)

Thank you!

Reply 11

Original post by permafrostt
guys for gcse edexcel maths do you need to be able to PROVE the circle theorems as well? or just use and state them.
tysm

yeah you need to be able to prove pretty much all of them, i thought i didnt need to know how to do the one about 2 tangents having equal distance from the point they intersect each other and the points that they touch the circle, and then it came up as my last question on paper 2 last year. my best advice would be to just learn how to prove them all vaguely, so then they cant catch you off guard with one you thought you needed to know.

these are the ones i know for sure they can ask you to prove:
-right angled triangle in a semicircle
-two tangents having equal distance
-angle at the centre is half angle at the circumference (proved in a similar way to the right angled triangle semicircle one)

but to be honest, i'd familiarise yourself with all of their proofs.

Reply 12

Original post by samuelcee
yeah you need to be able to prove pretty much all of them, i thought i didnt need to know how to do the one about 2 tangents having equal distance from the point they intersect each other and the points that they touch the circle, and then it came up as my last question on paper 2 last year. my best advice would be to just learn how to prove them all vaguely, so then they cant catch you off guard with one you thought you needed to know.
these are the ones i know for sure they can ask you to prove:
-right angled triangle in a semicircle
-two tangents having equal distance
-angle at the centre is half angle at the circumference (proved in a similar way to the right angled triangle semicircle one)
but to be honest, i'd familiarise yourself with all of their proofs.

A slight tangent, but which paper (board, question) was that?

Reply 13

Original post by samuelcee
yeah you need to be able to prove pretty much all of them, i thought i didnt need to know how to do the one about 2 tangents having equal distance from the point they intersect each other and the points that they touch the circle, and then it came up as my last question on paper 2 last year. my best advice would be to just learn how to prove them all vaguely, so then they cant catch you off guard with one you thought you needed to know.
these are the ones i know for sure they can ask you to prove:
-right angled triangle in a semicircle
-two tangents having equal distance
-angle at the centre is half angle at the circumference (proved in a similar way to the right angled triangle semicircle one)
but to be honest, i'd familiarise yourself with all of their proofs.

You sure about that? I was never taught (probably could figure out a couple) circle theorem proofs as GCSE content and I'd be shocked if it came up in any paper.

Reply 14

You sure about that? I was never taught (probably could figure out a couple) circle theorem proofs as GCSE content and I'd be shocked if it came up in any paper.

My initial impression was that thats enough and the proofs were for interest only, but from
https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/GCSE/mathematics/2015/specification-and-sample-assesment/gcse-maths-2015-specification.pdf
G10 apply and prove the standard circle theorems concerning angles, radii, tangents and chords, and use them to prove related results

So proof is part of the spec. Time to drag that bull in from the garden and sacrifice it in honour of thales.

Reply 15

Original post by mqb2766
My initial impression was that thats enough and the proofs were for interest only, but from
https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/GCSE/mathematics/2015/specification-and-sample-assesment/gcse-maths-2015-specification.pdf
G10 apply and prove the standard circle theorems concerning angles, radii, tangents and chords, and use them to prove related results
So proof is part of the spec. Time to drag that bull in from the garden and sacrifice it in honour of thales.

Didn't know that - I doubt they'll ever ask you to prove some of them (alternate segment theorem, intersecting chord theorem, etc.)

Reply 16

Original post by samuelcee
yeah you need to be able to prove pretty much all of them, i thought i didnt need to know how to do the one about 2 tangents having equal distance from the point they intersect each other and the points that they touch the circle, and then it came up as my last question on paper 2 last year. my best advice would be to just learn how to prove them all vaguely, so then they cant catch you off guard with one you thought you needed to know.
these are the ones i know for sure they can ask you to prove:
-right angled triangle in a semicircle
-two tangents having equal distance
-angle at the centre is half angle at the circumference (proved in a similar way to the right angled triangle semicircle one)
but to be honest, i'd familiarise yourself with all of their proofs.

oh thats crazy
which exam board was that for?

Reply 17

Original post by mqb2766
My initial impression was that thats enough and the proofs were for interest only, but from
https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/GCSE/mathematics/2015/specification-and-sample-assesment/gcse-maths-2015-specification.pdf
G10 apply and prove the standard circle theorems concerning angles, radii, tangents and chords, and use them to prove related results
So proof is part of the spec. Time to drag that bull in from the garden and sacrifice it in honour of thales.

oh ty
does anyone know if in any past questions they have asked to prove the theorems or just to use them? bcs all the dr frost questions ive done never asked for proof?!

Reply 18

Original post by permafrostt
oh ty
does anyone know if in any past questions they have asked to prove the theorems or just to use them? bcs all the dr frost questions ive done never asked for proof?!

I've only experienced questions asking for their use. Saying that, the Pearson spec appears to want candidates to be able to prove (some of) them so might be worth looking into further. A few proofs would be pretty intuitive anyway.

Reply 19

Original post by permafrostt
guys for gcse edexcel maths do you need to be able to PROVE the circle theorems as well? or just use and state them.
tysm

Yeah. I’d learn it just in case, because it is on the spec.
“Apply and prove the standard circle theorems”

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