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Feeling disillusioned at central saint martins

Hi I feel so lonely after two months here that I feel like dropping out. Does anyone else relate to feeling this disillusioned with CSM? I have been ostracised ever since I accidentally ‘triggered’ people on WhatsApp, in a huge class group the teacher encouraged as she was passing messages to class reps to give in the group. I complained and that’s stopped now, n I’ve left the group. I have autism and existing mental health issues. I find these people are absolute snowflakes if I’m honest. Weak, easily triggered, full of opinions justified only by a confabulation to misrepresent what’s been said previously. I witnessed something awful yet instead of caring n showing compassion they made it all about them saying me even talking about it was triggering. They love the latest pseudo psychological buzzwords. I’m wondering am I wasting my £28k of my own money on this s**t? I don’t think I even need a jewellery design degree to be successful in Jewellery, or do I? What do you think? I’m being ostracised and I feel lonely and so miserable. Having really dark thoughts, I felt lonely, angry and now just like I’m giving up the fight. I just don’t belong. These people should be ashamed of themselves

Reply 1

I’m really sorry you’re feeling like this—it sounds so draining, and I can see why you’re questioning it all. The WhatsApp situation seems like it’s been blown way out of proportion, and I get how isolating that must feel. People can be so quick to judge without understanding.
As for the degree, you’re right—plenty of people succeed in jewellery design without one, but the course could still help with networking or structure if you think you’d benefit. Maybe talk to a tutor or support staff about how you’re feeling—they might have options you haven’t considered yet.
The loneliness and dark thoughts are really worrying, though, and you don’t need to handle this alone. Reaching out to someone, even a counselor at uni, could really help. Whatever happens, this situation doesn’t define you, and there are other paths if this one isn’t working.

Reply 2

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by offshore-cauldro
I’m really sorry you’re feeling like this—it sounds so draining, and I can see why you’re questioning it all. The WhatsApp situation seems like it’s been blown way out of proportion, and I get how isolating that must feel. People can be so quick to judge without understanding.
As for the degree, you’re right—plenty of people succeed in jewellery design without one, but the course could still help with networking or structure if you think you’d benefit. Maybe talk to a tutor or support staff about how you’re feeling—they might have options you haven’t considered yet.
The loneliness and dark thoughts are really worrying, though, and you don’t need to handle this alone. Reaching out to someone, even a counselor at uni, could really help. Whatever happens, this situation doesn’t define you, and there are other paths if this one isn’t working.

Thank you for being so kind. I was really coping badly. I was completely ostracised by a large number of my class - such selfish awful *****es. It’s all because I told them I was shocked I saw a suicide near my house and they literally all turned on me saying I triggered them. They took my trauma and made it about them n i doubt they cared tbh they just wanted to be *****es. I even told them my friend did the same yet they chose to ostracise me completely all because they were triggered by me, despite my obvious suffering at the time I witnessed it. I didn’t give any details or anything really. Several weeks later and the ostracism continues. Horrible *****es. They are so **** at art as well if I’m honest. I’m tired of endless work on some basic design and tired of constantly making test pieces. I know how to do all of it. I want to create my own designs not design for others. I hadn’t realised it’s all about designing for others. I asked the teachers about the job opportunities and they said barely anyone gets a job at a fashion house. For Cartier he said it’s one every five years. I don’t think this was represented truthfully by the uni when I applied. There’s a focus on successful graduates in talks given but one might be from ten years ago. I am overqualified and too good for this. The teachers met me Friday and were so kind. They completely understand that these students are immature *****es and agreed with me I’m right, and they noted that these girls can’t seem to empathise and think in any way other than about themselves, which they said can be age related. I really want to quit and I pray they get back to me and say I’m allowed a full refund. The few good jobs people get are abroad anyway, I’d hate that. I’ve a better chance developing my own brand now and connecting with other jewellers. I cannot see that these ugly plain *****es will do well in their careers. Cannot wait to get out of there

Reply 3

I'm very sorry to hear your experience is not being positive. I almost went to CSM . hearing your experience is helpful. I thought the jewellery course would teach how to became a designer/jewellery artist to build your own brand and not to work for others? most of people going there seems privileged and disconnected with reality/real world unfortunately. it seems like some people that eventually become successful from there get their jobs because of networking and connections (nepotism etc) much more than only studying a BA perhaps? are you interested in learning the craft or concepts? if the craft is your thing I would recommend having a look in specific workshops and courses focused on the techniques you would like to learn in jewellery. while CSM has a big name and reputation, your mental health and well being are much more important than the name of a university. I hope you are feeling better now and once again im very sorry this is happening with you. sending hugs xx

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by Anonymous
Thank you for being so kind. I was really coping badly. I was completely ostracised by a large number of my class - such selfish awful *****es. It’s all because I told them I was shocked I saw a suicide near my house and they literally all turned on me saying I triggered them. They took my trauma and made it about them n i doubt they cared tbh they just wanted to be *****es. I even told them my friend did the same yet they chose to ostracise me completely all because they were triggered by me, despite my obvious suffering at the time I witnessed it. I didn’t give any details or anything really. Several weeks later and the ostracism continues. Horrible *****es. They are so **** at art as well if I’m honest. I’m tired of endless work on some basic design and tired of constantly making test pieces. I know how to do all of it. I want to create my own designs not design for others. I hadn’t realised it’s all about designing for others. I asked the teachers about the job opportunities and they said barely anyone gets a job at a fashion house. For Cartier he said it’s one every five years. I don’t think this was represented truthfully by the uni when I applied. There’s a focus on successful graduates in talks given but one might be from ten years ago. I am overqualified and too good for this. The teachers met me Friday and were so kind. They completely understand that these students are immature *****es and agreed with me I’m right, and they noted that these girls can’t seem to empathise and think in any way other than about themselves, which they said can be age related. I really want to quit and I pray they get back to me and say I’m allowed a full refund. The few good jobs people get are abroad anyway, I’d hate that. I’ve a better chance developing my own brand now and connecting with other jewellers. I cannot see that these ugly plain *****es will do well in their careers. Cannot wait to get out of there

It sounds like you have had some incredibly difficult experiences recently. Witnessing a suicide and losing a friend to suicide require support and empathy and it sounds like you have not received this and instead have been ostracised by those around you. We imagine this must feel really isolating and upsetting. Please know that there is support out there for you. You can call us on HOPELINE 247 on 0800 0684141 or text 88247 if this is leading you to experience suicidal thoughts yourself. There are also some support services for those bereaved by suicide who you could contact to share your recent experiences. These include https://www.ifucareshare.co.uk/ https://uksobs.com/ https://amparo.org.uk/ https://www.suicideandco.org/

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by Anonymous
Thank you for being so kind. I was really coping badly. I was completely ostracised by a large number of my class - such selfish awful *****es. It’s all because I told them I was shocked I saw a suicide near my house and they literally all turned on me saying I triggered them. They took my trauma and made it about them n i doubt they cared tbh they just wanted to be *****es. I even told them my friend did the same yet they chose to ostracise me completely all because they were triggered by me, despite my obvious suffering at the time I witnessed it. I didn’t give any details or anything really. Several weeks later and the ostracism continues. Horrible *****es. They are so **** at art as well if I’m honest. I’m tired of endless work on some basic design and tired of constantly making test pieces. I know how to do all of it. I want to create my own designs not design for others. I hadn’t realised it’s all about designing for others. I asked the teachers about the job opportunities and they said barely anyone gets a job at a fashion house. For Cartier he said it’s one every five years. I don’t think this was represented truthfully by the uni when I applied. There’s a focus on successful graduates in talks given but one might be from ten years ago. I am overqualified and too good for this. The teachers met me Friday and were so kind. They completely understand that these students are immature *****es and agreed with me I’m right, and they noted that these girls can’t seem to empathise and think in any way other than about themselves, which they said can be age related. I really want to quit and I pray they get back to me and say I’m allowed a full refund. The few good jobs people get are abroad anyway, I’d hate that. I’ve a better chance developing my own brand now and connecting with other jewellers. I cannot see that these ugly plain *****es will do well in their careers. Cannot wait to get out of there


Hi, I was wondering if you ended up dropping out or if your classmates are nicer to you now ?? That's so horrible, I wonder if CSM is like that in general, this really made me question if it's worth it, sorry you had to deal with that thats ridiculous.

Reply 7

Go to BCU in Birmingham. Much better jewellery degrees than CSM

Reply 8

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by PAPYRUS HOPELINE
It sounds like you have had some incredibly difficult experiences recently. Witnessing a suicide and losing a friend to suicide require support and empathy and it sounds like you have not received this and instead have been ostracised by those around you. We imagine this must feel really isolating and upsetting. Please know that there is support out there for you. You can call us on HOPELINE 247 on 0800 0684141 or text 88247 if this is leading you to experience suicidal thoughts yourself. There are also some support services for those bereaved by suicide who you could contact to share your recent experiences. These include https://www.ifucareshare.co.uk/ https://uksobs.com/ https://amparo.org.uk/ https://www.suicideandco.org/

Thank you so much for caring and sending links to support. I recovered in the end plus I dropped out of CSM. Its jewellery degree is honestly laughable and the students just seemed arrogant and not particularly good at jewellery. I channelled my experiences into my own path of creativity which has been so much more inspiring and wonderful, than being stuck in an ugly uni creating ugly things.

Reply 9

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by Anonymous
Go to BCU in Birmingham. Much better jewellery degrees than CSM
Yes this is a far better option! Tbh going to Morley college or city lit is better than CSM lol. But yes BCU and a few in Scotland are excellent. At CSM they don’t teach you CAD, they teach you the minimum of teaching time for each skill so you don’t become particularly skilled- skill takes time! And re time- they give you just two days a week in the studio. They claim their studio is amazing but it’s not lol I have loads in my own home studio - they have some more than I do but I wouldn’t need those things at all. They have no account with matrix gold. I spoke to someone at matrix gold who said they give big discounts for their cad program for students at bcu and Glasgow but not with CSM as they don’t see the CSM jewellery design degree in a serious way! Obviously I was ostracised by arrogant little teenagers with no class. These people heard what I experienced and made it all about them. Extremely selfish and this wasn’t addressed with them. Very selfish offended easily irritating types. Most students by third year I witnessed develop arrogance. This soon falls apart when thry leave the CSM machine and realise they have no career prospects. Even the final show is just one week and shared with the textiles degree space. There are some awards but not because students are so amazing but because the contract the uni has with such designers means a few awards must be given out, so these really are meaningless. There were reports from some students of sexism due to a man winning nearly all the prizes on offer for his awful fish and chip jewellery. He told me he stick it together with GLUE and any jeweller knows this is dreadful practice lol. He didn’t sell any of his collection or get any career n continues to work in his dads fish n chip shop. Tbh I believe all these arrogant sorts from such a place get their karma. He was pretty gossipy and completely up himself and look how far he got. I asked staff re sexism and of course instead of openly accepting a student said this, they were defensive, stating the student only said this because of jealousy at not winning. CSM itself is an echo chamber. Students are encouraged to experiment and adhere to what usually is a completely ugly aesthetic, and CSM itself looks good for being so edgy, yet the student producing the work is not valued- unless potentially if ur studying fashion. But with jewellery, next to no one gets a job as a designer for a top brand. They at their open day show you examples some being ten years old of work that makes them look good. You only have to look at their insta to see just how bad most of the work is. Once you leave that uni you are pretty much forgotten especially if you studied jewellery. Among all goldsmiths I spoke to at the goldsmiths fair, they said CSM jewellery degree is ridiculous, does not teach skill to a high level at all, doesn’t give students enough studio time, and will not lead to a good career in jewellery. If anything, despite the CSM name, of you say you studied jewellery there you’ll be laughed at by any true designer in the business. They tell you there are these projects with designers but these are pointless as the designer barely looks at the work produced and never gives out actual jobs. When I was there three people dropped out before the Christmas holidays. The first year teacher is bland, gives negative opinions to ‘encourage’ people she fears and overly positive ones to her favourites. She cannot be taken seriously. This woman made a necklace from dead moths threaded on cotton. Wow isn’t she talented?! CSM LOST their contract with Swarovski also, so there no longer is that one beautiful project with lots of sparkle on the jewellery course. They have just £6000 a year to spend on materials for all students in all years in. Jewellery. This is I believe why they always encourage students to use rubbish etc for their jewellery, as they don’t have the funds to fund any silver or gemstones. You have to justify what you want to use, even if it’s some cheapo copper. They preach sustainability yet constantly print everything out despite its availability on the intranet for students. This is obviously very wasteful. I don’t think the studios are all that safe. Everyone has a massive blowtorch connected to the gas and bench spaces are very close together and back to back too. There are about fifty spaces and you’re lucky if you see more than one teacher around. Mostly they’re off in a meeting n leaving you to get on with it. They’ll have ex students volunteeering instead, who tbh cannot keep the place safe as they’re not that experienced. One of them would hide behind me and vape despite this being very dangerous in such an environment. Numerous occasions in my two months there I smelled the gas very stron fly yet when I voiced this the volunteer students couldn’t take charge and the actual students didn’t do anything to check if their gas was left on at their bench space! Health and safety was really bad tbh and I don’t think students can be trusted to be safe without supervision so early on in their degree and why did none of these students think to check their own gas? Clearly the safety training was not strict enough. Ultimately you do not learn to be a goldsmith or even a silversmith. You learn more from a basic college course. You will be forgotten once you graduate and when you graduate you do not qualify as anything. You’re not trainee to produce commercially viable jewellery or in production techniques or CAD. Staff told me only one student every decade manages to get in at Cartier and this is even harder now the course is focused on more contemporary ideas rather than skill, and what with the importance of cad and matrix gold in designer jobs now also. Your work may help CSM look edgy but when you leave you leave with nothing but an engendered arrogance that disappears once reality hits you. And the industry year is an absolute con. I heard testimonies from final year students who I guess due to their age thougly they’d had a great time but essentially learned nothing. The one rich enough to go to New York and Milan at top designers essentially only brought these people their coffees and learned absolutely nothing. She had nothing to show for it but a picture to put on her social media. Others went to jewellers with their own studio and did menial bench jobs. They charge you five thousand to do this year in industry but you find your own placement and you work the placement for free. There are no design houses in London or uk for this. Shaun leane shut down their design house, so there are none in the uk now. Placements are only a few months too. They are wrong to say students shape the future of jewellery. CSM jewellery students have no influence at all over this- they’re nothing like the fashion degree but they wish they were on that level. Students studying fashion may have some influence but jewellery students have no influence. Look for success stories online and you’ll find none. Student turn up stoned or under the influence. The students don’t respect the safety of others, clearly. Some I met were incredibly *****y and when I complained there was an offer for a full refund. They didn’t actually have a word with the students I named as problematic. It’s a place that develops clear cliques. The Chinese students can hardly speak English so that’s another barrier. They make up half the class. It is clear there are a huge number of international students because thry pay the highest fees. It’s not really about their talent. I was in the small minority of English students. Third years reported last year of numerous issues surrounding favouritism when selecting students for awards. The holidays are SO LONG that your studio time is two days a week for just six months of the year. You can pay to study at college for ten times less and get the same skills. Students were late so often that teaching time in the studio was reduced even further as they had. To delay their teaching until everyone had arrived. Frequently people didn’t turn up at all. I noticed on the whole students are picked more on narcissistic personality traits that push their absurdity rather than any basis in skill. Some students selected were only17 and 18. So if you’re skilled like me you feel trapped going at snails pace doing the basics you already know with a bunch of loud irritating spoiled little narcissists who are sure to be depressed by their mid twenties when they realise that having studied at CSM means nothing, and they’ll achieve nothing from it. These young people are convinced celebrities will want their jewellery and a top designer will employ them but there’s no evidence at all that there’s any credible chance of this. Clearly this is a materialistic aim akso, which is a theme due to the lack of a skills focussed course. And one final thing. They will give a percentage of graduates that ‘work in the industry’ by industry, they mean a minimum wage bench job in nearly all cases. You can get a bench job without any degree. You’d only need a basic college course. In London, Morley college North Kensington is a good option for school leavers interested in jewellery - they do T level, level 2 and level 3 at very low cost/ possibly free one year courses with a showcase at the end and a really lovely teacher called Jenny. If you really want a degree that leads to a serious jewellery designer job, go to bcu or Glasgow. Good luck and have a wonderful summer x

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