Where's our emergency war information booklets?
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ATACMS missiles have been shot into Russia again and some news reports are claiming that Russia is preparing for it's new missile retaliation in the next few days.
I'm sure if you had something more productive to say you would have already said it so my point remains true. There was a shocking lack of prepping info if the situation had got more serious where food supplies ran out or hospitals had to shutdown or the power went out and so on.
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by SurniaIf all you took away from coronavirus briefings was 'some scare stories about masks and people banging their pots' there's not much point in you having an emergency booklet as you wouldn't pay proper attention to it.
I'm sure if you had something more productive to say you would have already said it so my point remains true. There was a shocking lack of prepping info if the situation had got more serious where food supplies ran out or hospitals had to shutdown or the power went out and so on.
Reply 21
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This thread is turning into a general rus - ukraine one and it might be worth merging with the official one.
But last night rus fired a shade under 200 missiles/drones into ukraine
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/26/power-cuts-ukraine-russia-biggest-drone-attack-yet
Whether its the usual winter rus bombardment of ukraine energy, or putin taking advantage of the "end of war" uncertainty, or .... it would have been good to give ukraine permission to strike at the rus air bases, arsenals, ... near the rus border, before putin moved most of it away
https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-hits-airbase-in-kursk-oblast-with-atacms-missile-russian-defense-ministry-claims/
Sounds like ukraine is using the missiles as intended for attacking military targets that have been attacking them, and if theyd had the ability to do so earlier, more rus planes, ... would have been destroyed, so less attacks on ukraine.
As for the escalation/retaliation argument
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/25/who-is-really-escalating-the-war-in-ukraine-it-certainly-isnt-the-west
But last night rus fired a shade under 200 missiles/drones into ukraine
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/26/power-cuts-ukraine-russia-biggest-drone-attack-yet
Whether its the usual winter rus bombardment of ukraine energy, or putin taking advantage of the "end of war" uncertainty, or .... it would have been good to give ukraine permission to strike at the rus air bases, arsenals, ... near the rus border, before putin moved most of it away
https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-hits-airbase-in-kursk-oblast-with-atacms-missile-russian-defense-ministry-claims/
Sounds like ukraine is using the missiles as intended for attacking military targets that have been attacking them, and if theyd had the ability to do so earlier, more rus planes, ... would have been destroyed, so less attacks on ukraine.
As for the escalation/retaliation argument
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/25/who-is-really-escalating-the-war-in-ukraine-it-certainly-isnt-the-west
Reply 22
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by TheStupidMoonATACMS missiles have been shot into Russia again and some news reports are claiming that Russia is preparing for it's new missile retaliation in the next few days.
I'm sure if you had something more productive to say you would have already said it so my point remains true. There was a shocking lack of prepping info if the situation had got more serious where food supplies ran out or hospitals had to shutdown or the power went out and so on.
I'm sure if you had something more productive to say you would have already said it so my point remains true. There was a shocking lack of prepping info if the situation had got more serious where food supplies ran out or hospitals had to shutdown or the power went out and so on.
I know you're really just on a wind up, but how much help do you really think a generic booklet does for these issues?
Tbh I don't think anyone already using the internet has much excuse for not doing their own prepping now, I'd want to see more direct methods reserved for the vulnerable. If anything part of my prepping policy is if things kick off you create a bit of space between you and the people/parasites who expect everything handed to them.
Reply 23
Don’t know, I was shown the booklets in lectures. Maybe the UK and/or Irish government could give us a booklet (sent by email for those that have an email, then the post for those that have no email).
Given how much we seem to be aiding and caring about Ukraine, it would make sense. But not sure if I’d have a lot of faith in the booklet (because I don’t fully trust Westminster in general. Tories did a dreadful job during COVID, Starmer keeps backtracking on his promises).
Given how much we seem to be aiding and caring about Ukraine, it would make sense. But not sure if I’d have a lot of faith in the booklet (because I don’t fully trust Westminster in general. Tories did a dreadful job during COVID, Starmer keeps backtracking on his promises).
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by Talkative ToadDon’t know, I was shown the booklets in lectures. Maybe the UK and/or Irish government could give us a booklet (sent by email for those that have an email, then the post for those that have no email).
Given how much we seem to be aiding and caring about Ukraine, it would make sense. But not sure if I’d have a lot of faith in the booklet (because I don’t fully trust Westminster in general. Tories did a dreadful job during COVID, Starmer keeps backtracking on his promises).
Given how much we seem to be aiding and caring about Ukraine, it would make sense. But not sure if I’d have a lot of faith in the booklet (because I don’t fully trust Westminster in general. Tories did a dreadful job during COVID, Starmer keeps backtracking on his promises).
I don't see why this a political/conspiracy issue tbh. It's simply that leaflets are crap and expensive, especially when you haven't even got specific things to be warning people about.
Reply 25
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If we have neither the will nor money from successive governments to fund UK defence don't expect them to spend money on booklets that people either can't read or won't read.
Reply 26
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by StriderHortI don't see why this a political/conspiracy issue tbh. It's simply that leaflets are crap and expensive, especially when you haven't even got specific things to be warning people about.
They could email the booklet instead if you read the my reply, only send a paper copy to households/people who have no email address. I’d assume that in todays age, the vast majority of households have at least one person who has an email address.
Everyone in my household has an email address so they’d be no need for us to receive a physical copy, you can simply send us one via email.
I view this as a political thing as I lack faith in Westminster due their handling of COVID and Starmer’s inability to stick to promises or mandates so not sure if I’d trust the government orders if they were to give us booklet on how to prepare in case of war.
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by Talkative ToadThey could email the booklet instead if you read the my reply, only send a paper copy to household/people who have no email address.
Everyone in my household has an email address so they’d be no need for us to receive a physical copy, you can simply send us one via email.
I view this as a political thing as I lack faith in Westminster.
Everyone in my household has an email address so they’d be no need for us to receive a physical copy, you can simply send us one via email.
I view this as a political thing as I lack faith in Westminster.
It likely wouldn't work like that, for one thing they would need up to date information of who is in every home and what their current email address is, to avoid just being a total mess and excluding lots of people, you'd pretty much need to send them to every home by default. It's not like emailing it doesn't have costs either, even just the design and the data handling & legal costs.
Imo most of the information is generic enough to be available near anywhere, and the specific information is too awful to put in booklet form "So where should I hide in the event of Crazy Ivan Nuke Storm?!" "Why in your designated safety bunker of course! just kidding,lol, you ded"
Reply 28
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by StriderHortIt likely wouldn't work like that, for one thing they would need up to date information of who is in every home and what their current email address is, to avoid just being a total mess and excluding lots of people, you'd pretty much need to send them to every home by default. It's not like emailing it doesn't have costs either, even just the design and the data handling & legal costs.
Imo most of the information is generic enough to be available near anywhere, and the specific information is too awful to put in booklet form "So where should I hide in the event of Crazy Ivan Nuke Storm?!" "Why in your designated safety bunker of course! just kidding,lol, you ded"
Imo most of the information is generic enough to be available near anywhere, and the specific information is too awful to put in booklet form "So where should I hide in the event of Crazy Ivan Nuke Storm?!" "Why in your designated safety bunker of course! just kidding,lol, you ded"
Well to be fair I do receive lots of unless mail from the NHS (along with useless emails from the French government), despite them being short on money.
Then you’d need to tell the public where to find that information then. Creating a webpage (if there isn’t one already) could also be a solution.
Reply 29
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The UK Govt has no money (we are burdened by debt) to plan anything. The UK has been allowed to become an unproductive and run down country. We have been encouraged to become virtual parasites on political parties in Government to a lesser or greater extent.
On the back of that the Government will not spend millions preparing, printing & circulating information to help millions focus their minds on a risk to life that may or may not not happen (most information is common sense) If a Govt does send out information it is often a smoke and mirrors event to bolster the confidence of the public in a failing service provision.
The Govt are terrified of creating mass unrest and anxiety. Printing information Swedish style is a waste of money. We will still be caught by surprise in the event of crisis. In policy terms the death of millions is an acceptable trade off. It is still cheaper to clear the mess away in the aftermath rather than spend money preparing for it and then find it doesn't happen. Money would be far better spent consolidating and checking the true leadership abilities of local government officers in resilience roles.
Always remember:
"The best part about a lack of planning is that when failure comes, it comes as a complete surprise and is not preceded by great periods of stress and worry"
On the back of that the Government will not spend millions preparing, printing & circulating information to help millions focus their minds on a risk to life that may or may not not happen (most information is common sense) If a Govt does send out information it is often a smoke and mirrors event to bolster the confidence of the public in a failing service provision.
The Govt are terrified of creating mass unrest and anxiety. Printing information Swedish style is a waste of money. We will still be caught by surprise in the event of crisis. In policy terms the death of millions is an acceptable trade off. It is still cheaper to clear the mess away in the aftermath rather than spend money preparing for it and then find it doesn't happen. Money would be far better spent consolidating and checking the true leadership abilities of local government officers in resilience roles.
Always remember:
"The best part about a lack of planning is that when failure comes, it comes as a complete surprise and is not preceded by great periods of stress and worry"
Reply 30
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by StriderHortI know you're really just on a wind up, but how much help do you really think a generic booklet does for these issues?
Tbh I don't think anyone already using the internet has much excuse for not doing their own prepping now, I'd want to see more direct methods reserved for the vulnerable. If anything part of my prepping policy is if things kick off you create a bit of space between you and the people/parasites who expect everything handed to them.
Tbh I don't think anyone already using the internet has much excuse for not doing their own prepping now, I'd want to see more direct methods reserved for the vulnerable. If anything part of my prepping policy is if things kick off you create a bit of space between you and the people/parasites who expect everything handed to them.
A lot of the internet is nonsense and is getting worse with artificial bot websites clogging up search results.
You could literally grab people in a few sections of this website and spank a booklet out of them on basic needs.There's no excuse for the state.
We could also do with some hand powered chargers for phone and torches.
Reply 31
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by TheStupidMoonA lot of the internet is nonsense and is getting worse with artificial bot websites clogging up search results.
You could literally grab people in a few sections of this website and spank a booklet out of them on basic needs.There's no excuse for the state.
We could also do with some hand powered chargers for phone and torches.
You could literally grab people in a few sections of this website and spank a booklet out of them on basic needs.There's no excuse for the state.
We could also do with some hand powered chargers for phone and torches.
The bbc article had direct links to the ones mentioned
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjr4zwj2lgdo
or googling them directly. A reasonable amount is about being on the frontline, which obv doesnt apply to us.
There are plenty of solar powered chargers/battery banks starting at about 20 quid. Just buy a few if you want to?
(edited 10 months ago)
Reply 32
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by TheStupidMoonA lot of the internet is nonsense and is getting worse with artificial bot websites clogging up search results.
You could literally grab people in a few sections of this website and spank a booklet out of them on basic needs.There's no excuse for the state.
We could also do with some hand powered chargers for phone and torches.
You could literally grab people in a few sections of this website and spank a booklet out of them on basic needs.There's no excuse for the state.
We could also do with some hand powered chargers for phone and torches.
The correct information is online, not being able to effectively research or dismiss junk sources is a 'you;' problem. Plenty of books also cover this - I have a big yellow hardback called 'What To Do In An Emergency' which pretty much covers everything.
As for chargers/powerbanks - we're not at war so shops, ports and delivery services are all working, so nothing stopping you going and buying them if it's a concern.
Reply 33
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by StriderHortThe correct information is online, not being able to effectively research or dismiss junk sources is a 'you;' problem. Plenty of books also cover this - I have a big yellow hardback called 'What To Do In An Emergency' which pretty much covers everything.
As for chargers/powerbanks - we're not at war so shops, ports and delivery services are all working, so nothing stopping you going and buying them if it's a concern.
As for chargers/powerbanks - we're not at war so shops, ports and delivery services are all working, so nothing stopping you going and buying them if it's a concern.
Theoretically anything could be online but it's no good if people can't access it.
Skimming the pages linked from the BBC article,the Swede and Norway files look too basic.
The only useful info is the claim that 2 corks? of bleach to sterlise bottles or that Sweden claims to have bomb shelters for people to run to.
Solar power is the closest suggestion of "some hand powered chargers for phone and torches." except the sun isn't out now.
Reply 34
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by TheStupidMoonTheoretically anything could be online but it's no good if people can't access it.
Skimming the pages linked from the BBC article,the Swede and Norway files look too basic.
The only useful info is the claim that 2 corks? of bleach to sterlise bottles or that Sweden claims to have bomb shelters for people to run to.
Solar power is the closest suggestion of "some hand powered chargers for phone and torches." except the sun isn't out now.
Skimming the pages linked from the BBC article,the Swede and Norway files look too basic.
The only useful info is the claim that 2 corks? of bleach to sterlise bottles or that Sweden claims to have bomb shelters for people to run to.
Solar power is the closest suggestion of "some hand powered chargers for phone and torches." except the sun isn't out now.
You're still being pretty vague about what you expect this booklet to actually do that existing media doesn't already cover? as absolutely generic advice is probably all it would have, if you're looking for detailed plans over what government shelter people should report to or where to collect supplies etc then there simply isn't any (that I'm aware of) most of these things would be addressed in a panic if need be.
Hand powered chargers tends to refer to the wind up ones btw, you won't be getting much use out of solar if a nuke hits nearby.
Reply 35
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A booklet is just the thing to sit and read and while away the hours of boredom (if you can read) and it will probably be by candle light too as you wonder where your life went so badly wrong. You could always phone a friend - but you might have to ask why you can't with the Government's rushed decisions to phase out all the old telephone landlines?
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