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Pupillage Application Watch: 2024-2025

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Reply 20

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by ultravirespupil
Question on the employment section of the Pupillage Gateway:
Suppose you have taken on longer internships spanning months at a solicitor firm and international law firms abroad, within Chambers’ practice area. Would it be wise to employ a lengthier write-up so you can fully set out the depth of what you learnt (averaging a higher word counts of 250/300), rather than the brevity typical of the write-up for a mini-pupillage that usually don’t cross 150/300 words?

This is an important question, I feel, as being concise is key. But being concise does not always mean having 2 bullet points at the maximum, if you are being concise about various key things you learnt out of the depth of a longer and more enriching experience a longer stint spanning months provides over a 3-day mini-pupillage.

Thoughts?


Original post
by abta
I once received advice from a head of pupillage who stated that the more important experiences SHOULD have longer, more detailed write-ups. In fact, they mentioned that write-ups should not have a standard length, and it is a skill in itself to understand how much to write and where.

Do with that what you will


I agree with this response. It's the same with written advocacy in practice. I've just finished drafting a skeleton argument for an appeal later this month, and when it comes to skeleton arguments in particular I really do focus on making my points whilst being as concise as I can. At the same time, sometimes the point is a more complex one that requires a more in depth explanation. The same principle applies here. Sometimes you can and should give more information and more detailed explanations about particular experience, but as with everything you should always be exercising that judgement as to what is truly relevant, and when to stop writing when you have made your point.

Reply 21

Question on publications: if you’ve published 3 articles and want to talk about them, where are they best put? I’m struggling to find an answer because none seem like the right place:

1. If placed under employment history under the header ‘author for various publishers’, and then state the 3 articles published & where, and what they’re about, that’s not a job in anyway so it might annoy the sifter

2. If placed under the education section it might equally generate annoyance as they are not ‘grades’

3. If placed under hobbies, it runs the risk of coming across as a nerd! And it kills space, where only 200 words are available

Thoughts?

Reply 22

Original post
by ultravirespupil
Question on publications: if you’ve published 3 articles and want to talk about them, where are they best put? I’m struggling to find an answer because none seem like the right place:
1. If placed under employment history under the header ‘author for various publishers’, and then state the 3 articles published & where, and what they’re about, that’s not a job in anyway so it might annoy the sifter
2. If placed under the education section it might equally generate annoyance as they are not ‘grades’
3. If placed under hobbies, it runs the risk of coming across as a nerd! And it kills space, where only 200 words are available
Thoughts?

I've written 4 articles in total. I put them in a separate section on my CV, and on the gateway under 'Awards' seeing I have an award as well.

Reply 23

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by stuffy_gowns1
Hi all - doubt about references. For a couple of commercial sets that I've tried sifting through the pages for, I haven't found any space at all for references or guidance for them. What do I make of this? (I know some sets will only ask for references after a particular stage, but this is the case even for those sets which asked for references as part of the gateway last year).

I saw a Bar Council email earlier in the week saying the reference process has changed. In essence, you’re no longer asked to provide them in the standard form and sets will contact you directly to submit info, if/ when the need arises later in the process. More info on page 29 in this link:

https://www.pupillagegateway.com/static/97c57c4c-76d7-4edb-b7e4fdb7f508f92f/188d0233-8215-4a1e-93f8641cbcc18d2f/Applicant-User-Guide.pdf?utm_campaign=2860935_Pupillage%20Gateway%20applications%20opens%20tomorrow&utm_medium=email&utm_source=DotDigital&dm_i=4CGD,1PBIF,8DBUSA,7ZF1H,1

Reply 24

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by Elwall
I saw a Bar Council email earlier in the week saying the reference process has changed. In essence, you’re no longer asked to provide them in the standard form and sets will contact you directly to submit info, if/ when the need arises later in the process. More info on page 29 in this link:
https://www.pupillagegateway.com/static/97c57c4c-76d7-4edb-b7e4fdb7f508f92f/188d0233-8215-4a1e-93f8641cbcc18d2f/Applicant-User-Guide.pdf?utm_campaign=2860935_Pupillage%20Gateway%20applications%20opens%20tomorrow&utm_medium=email&utm_source=DotDigital&dm_i=4CGD,1PBIF,8DBUSA,7ZF1H,1

This is super helpful, thank you so much Elwall! I don't know why I kept getting redirected to an earlier version of the user guide which was puzzling me. This clears things up.

Reply 25

What are sets looking for in questions such as "If there is anything else you would like us to know about you, please tell us here." ?

Reply 26

Same old complaint, but it is so annoying how answers keep getting copied and pasted automatically into the next application.

Reply 27

Original post
by ultravirespupil
Question on publications: if you’ve published 3 articles and want to talk about them, where are they best put? I’m struggling to find an answer because none seem like the right place:

1. If placed under employment history under the header ‘author for various publishers’, and then state the 3 articles published & where, and what they’re about, that’s not a job in anyway so it might annoy the sifter

2. If placed under the education section it might equally generate annoyance as they are not ‘grades’

3. If placed under hobbies, it runs the risk of coming across as a nerd! And it kills space, where only 200 words are available

Thoughts?

You underestimate the resilience of sifters if you think we'd get annoyed by any of that. Employment History would include both self employed and pro bono work, so it seems like the most natural fit to me.

Reply 28

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by Chloe0100
What are sets looking for in questions such as "If there is anything else you would like us to know about you, please tell us here." ?


Nothing. Take it at face value. If there is something that you want the sifter to be aware of but it doesn't fit in any other part of the application, put it there. Leaving it blank is perfectly acceptable, and in fact most applicants will. Indeed, many of those that put something in that box should probably also have left it blank.

Reply 29

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by Crazy Jamie
You underestimate the resilience of sifters if you think we'd get annoyed by any of that. Employment History would include both self employed and pro bono work, so it seems like the most natural fit to me.


Thank you for this

Reply 30

For questions formatted as "Is it wrong for X to X?" Would it be better to give a yes or no response, or would it be better to give a reasoned response as to why it is wrong but also why it's not wrong, which demonstrates critical thinking?

Reply 31

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by Dx210718
For questions formatted as "Is it wrong for X to X?" Would it be better to give a yes or no response, or would it be better to give a reasoned response as to why it is wrong but also why it's not wrong, which demonstrates critical thinking?

This is an example of one of those situations where you need to stop thinking like a student and start thinking like a barrister. How often do you think you're going to be instructed to attend court to present both sides of an argument? I'm obviously not saying that there won't be times when presenting both sides is appropriate. Asking a candidate to give a view and then immediately argue for the opposing view is still a fairly common approach in pupillage interviews. Though that is more to test a candidate's ability to think on their feet than critical thinking, albeit that's always going to be a part of it. In any event, it seems pretty clear to me that they're asking you to pick an answer and justify it. They want you to show them some written advocacy. Not how adept you are at sitting on a fence.

Reply 32

How would you best answer why did you apply to this chambers?

Reply 33

Original post
by ultravirespupil
How would you best answer why did you apply to this chambers?

Do your research. Read about work done by chambers, did the chambers win awards? How do they rank with the Legal 500? Do they promote anything you care about like 'green' initiative's?

Reply 34

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by RedPoppy5784
Do your research. Read about work done by chambers, did the chambers win awards? How do they rank with the Legal 500? Do they promote anything you care about like 'green' initiative's?


Work is key but why do awards matter

Reply 35

Original post
by ultravirespupil
How would you best answer why did you apply to this chambers?

Because I don't want to write out advice that's been given previously, I'll just link you to that advice.

https://pupillageandhowtogetit.com/application-form/why-this-chambers/
https://x.com/JJenkinsSJB/status/1621197800938655745

Reply 36

Original post
by ultravirespupil
Work is key but why do awards matter

it makes them know you pay attention to their quality of advocacy

Reply 37

Original post
by RedPoppy5784
it makes them know you pay attention to their quality of advocacy


Grateful, thanks

Reply 38

Original post
by Crazy Jamie
Because I don't want to write out advice that's been given previously, I'll just link you to that advice.
https://pupillageandhowtogetit.com/application-form/why-this-chambers/
https://x.com/JJenkinsSJB/status/1621197800938655745


Grateful, thanks

Reply 39

How do sifters truly decide who’s worthy of an interview when ultimately most applicants for decent sets have a decent caliber?

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