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FURTHER MATHS- URGENT can I take it?

deadline= 1/2 weeks to decide

current situtation= I love maths it has always been one of my fav subjects. Im good at maths from set 3 to the top of set 1 in a grammar school.
also do ocr fmsq so that entails a bit of a level content first year

what's the problem?
I'm scared further maths looks intimidating what is calculus what if I cant do further maths cuz its too difficult I can only choose 3 alevels it's the be all or end all. FM looks scary bro it's like a different language it's transgresses gcse maths by miles. What If I'm rendered incapable of solving such advanced stuff? How would I know if I'm capable or not?? I need (or want) an A* in further maths and if I cant achieve that I don't want to do FM. (Okay maybe an A isn't too bad) (sorry I sound really shallow here but parents n my teachers n my own standards won't permit lower)

ps thanks for reading this I appreciate the time taken and hello how are you doing.

btw I wanna do econ/finance so planning to take maths, fm and econ

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Reply 1

i mean if you believe in your maths ability then you can do it , its is very hard year 2 is torture , i took further maths at gsce and i have taken a level maths but i didn't take further maths this year, like almost 98% who did further maths for GCSE took it at a level but i am looking at the content and thought to myself, being realistic here do i really think i can get a A* probably not and so i didn't, its just really about how confident you feel.

Reply 2

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by labyr5nth
deadline= 1/2 weeks to decide
current situtation= I love maths it has always been one of my fav subjects. Im good at maths from set 3 to the top of set 1 in a grammar school.
also do ocr fmsq so that entails a bit of a level content first year
what's the problem?
I'm scared further maths looks intimidating what is calculus what if I cant do further maths cuz its too difficult I can only choose 3 alevels it's the be all or end all. FM looks scary bro it's like a different language it's transgresses gcse maths by miles. What If I'm rendered incapable of solving such advanced stuff? How would I know if I'm capable or not?? I need (or want) an A* in further maths and if I cant achieve that I don't want to do FM. (Okay maybe an A isn't too bad) (sorry I sound really shallow here but parents n my teachers n my own standards won't permit lower)
ps thanks for reading this I appreciate the time taken and hello how are you doing.
btw I wanna do econ/finance so planning to take maths, fm and econ

No reason you shouldnt be able to do it/do well assuming you put the effort in. An A/A* is certainly possible. Proof by induction is relatively simple, if you learn to spot the odd algebra trick they sometimes use. Complex numbers are relatively simple if you accept what "i" is and can make some of the a level trig identities almost trivial. Smilarly for matrices. Further algebra and calculus can be a bit of a grind. Vectors and polar should be ok. Diff eqns and hyperbolic can be on the hard side and they generally occur at the end, but if you understand where they come from so hyperbolic is very similar to the usual trig and odes are essentially simple physics equations so a bit of practical undestanding helps.

So if youre aiming for a top mark, read ahead a bit, discuss whats similar/different to what youve done before, reflect about mistakes, ... So the usual stuff.

Reply 3

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by aditya nair12344
i mean if you believe in your maths ability then you can do it , its is very hard year 2 is torture , i took further maths at gsce and i have taken a level maths but i didn't take further maths this year, like almost 98% who did further maths for GCSE took it at a level but i am looking at the content and thought to myself, being realistic here do i really think i can get a A* probably not and so i didn't, its just really about how confident you feel.


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Reply 4

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by mqb2766
No reason you shouldnt be able to do it/do well assuming you put the effort in. An A/A* is certainly possible. Proof by induction is relatively simple, if you learn to spot the odd algebra trick they sometimes use. Complex numbers are relatively simple if you accept what "i" is and can make some of the a level trig identities almost trivial. Smilarly for matrices. Further algebra and calculus can be a bit of a grind. Vectors and polar should be ok. Diff eqns and hyperbolic can be on the hard side and they generally occur at the end, but if you understand where they come from so hyperbolic is very similar to the usual trig and odes are essentially simple physics equations so a bit of practical undestanding helps.
So if youre aiming for a top mark, read ahead a bit, discuss whats similar/different to what youve done before, reflect about mistakes, ... So the usual stuff.


thanks i feel much more confident now with it

Reply 5

Hello. I currently do math fm and econ and am predicted all A*s. My advice is genuinely don’t be scared of it just find it interesting and actually “cool” to learn . Year 2 pure a few times I’ve found it diabolical but I always remember I would rather this then read and memorise 100 dates and names for history (no shot to history students tho). Also be realistic with yourself. Most ppl ik who do further (not a lot as my class is small) got 8-9 in gcse with little revision. That doesn’t mean you need to be the same as hard work can definitely get you there too but if u find it that you need to revise a lot for gcse maybe fm won’t be for you (although the style of math in a level quite different from gcse). And if u genuinely are interested in math (and that doesn’t change during your a levels) I’m sure you will be fine as doing something u actually genuinely enjoy does really make it easier.

Reply 6

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by RFX
Hello. I currently do math fm and econ and am predicted all A*s. My advice is genuinely don’t be scared of it just find it interesting and actually “cool” to learn . Year 2 pure a few times I’ve found it diabolical but I always remember I would rather this then read and memorise 100 dates and names for history (no shot to history students tho). Also be realistic with yourself. Most ppl ik who do further (not a lot as my class is small) got 8-9 in gcse with little revision. That doesn’t mean you need to be the same as hard work can definitely get you there too but if u find it that you need to revise a lot for gcse maybe fm won’t be for you (although the style of math in a level quite different from gcse). And if u genuinely are interested in math (and that doesn’t change during your a levels) I’m sure you will be fine as doing something u actually genuinely enjoy does really make it easier.


wow, congrats on the A*s! what u planning to do in the future? what degree??
thanks for the advice :smile: think I'll be taking further maths

Reply 7

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by labyr5nth
wow, congrats on the A*s! what u planning to do in the future? what degree??
thanks for the advice :smile: think I'll be taking further maths

Thanks. They only predictions so I still need to get them 😂. I changed my mind a ton about degree/career choices which also caused my to change a levels multiple times in a year so I’m not a year behind (psychology to bio to fm). I wanted to do like biomed eng, econ, data/actuarial science etc. (Even physics b4 I picked a levels). I just saw they all related to math so i applied to math and stats (for finance for lse and imperial) as I want to do something in quant finance. Not against data science work or stuff like that so i kept my doors open to quantitative jobs by picking math and stats.

Also (personally and bias) I think fm is the best a level especially if u wanna go to a top uni (ofc maybe not if u wanna do like law or something) as it’s seen as most respected a lot due to difficulty but it helps a ton with uni apparently and leaves so many door wide unlike bio where u stuck mainly with biological science or physics where u stuck with engineering or physics. Chem is an in between and so math and fm are great for majority of stem. (These ofc are my bias opinion so put a bit of your own thought into it. May be a bit early but maybe look at some uni courses and their modules see if u like it also see what subjects or grades they want and typical applicants subjects etc)

And before someone try’s shooting me, yes ofc bio chem phy can do more then I mentioned but it’s just a general idea/ my own experience from research

Reply 8

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by labyr5nth
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Why can you only do three? In most schools people doing Maths & FMaths do 4 A levels.

Reply 9

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by Muttley79
Why can you only do three? In most schools people doing Maths & FMaths do 4 A levels.


too much stress and I'd find it unnecessary- only 3 r required n I don't think a 4th would aid me in my career. I am doing an epq tho as its cumpulsory

Reply 10

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by labyr5nth
too much stress and I'd find it unnecessary- only 3 r required n I don't think a 4th would aid me in my career. I am doing an epq tho as its cumpulsory

Oh OK - surely you've already met calculus in fsmq?

Reply 11

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by Muttley79
Oh OK - surely you've already met calculus in fsmq?


no not yet- only started differentiation

Reply 12

Can you start with with with the possibility of dropping one?

Reply 13

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by ajj2000
Can you start with with with the possibility of dropping one?


I could sure- but what would I take? I don't think any subject except fm goes well w maths and econ

Reply 14

Original post
by labyr5nth
I could sure- but what would I take? I don't think any subject except fm goes well w maths and econ

I think it’s a good idea doing 3 a levels plus an epq. Further maths is hard and I think 4 a levels gets recommended way too often on tsr. Subjects at a level are nothing like gcse and taking a 4th without strong interest in it just to pad your uni application and level of burnout isn’t a good idea.

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by labyr5nth
I could sure- but what would I take? I don't think any subject except fm goes well w maths and econ

most ppl who do math and fm also do like chem/phy for top unis. lots of economic applicants will do chem/phy as everyone says that econ is very mathematical in uni. If you dont actually want to/ have an interest in any other subject (unless u wanna waste hours each month just focusing academics with revision) no point in forcing yourself to do a subject you dont care for. I used to do bio but it was very boring so even despite being one of the top in my year my grades started to drop so I ended up predicted an A so I dropped it (missed grade A by 2 marks ._.)

As Peach_rose said, tons of ppl on tsr recommends 4 but its mainly cause most ppl who are acc on tsr are the people who care alot more than academics then others where its like their life (no offense)
Original post
by labyr5nth
deadline= 1/2 weeks to decide

current situtation= I love maths it has always been one of my fav subjects. Im good at maths from set 3 to the top of set 1 in a grammar school.
also do ocr fmsq so that entails a bit of a level content first year

what's the problem?
I'm scared further maths looks intimidating what is calculus what if I cant do further maths cuz its too difficult I can only choose 3 alevels it's the be all or end all. FM looks scary bro it's like a different language it's transgresses gcse maths by miles. What If I'm rendered incapable of solving such advanced stuff? How would I know if I'm capable or not?? I need (or want) an A* in further maths and if I cant achieve that I don't want to do FM. (Okay maybe an A isn't too bad) (sorry I sound really shallow here but parents n my teachers n my own standards won't permit lower)

ps thanks for reading this I appreciate the time taken and hello how are you doing.

btw I wanna do econ/finance so planning to take maths, fm and econ


You study calculus in A-level Maths as well as further maths. It's the cornerstone of most post-GCSE mathematical methods. The whole point is they will teach you the content as you go so you will learn all the new terminology.

Since the content is new it will be unfamiliar, that shouldn't be a consideration. That's fundamentally the case for any new subject (for example, GCSE Chemistry students probably will have no idea what orbitals are, but they'll still learn about them in the A-level and be able to answer exam questions on that topic by the end).

Note you don't need FM for any finance course I'm aware of, and it's only necessary for a couple of economics courses (e.g. LSE, probably Cambridge/UCL, maybe Warwick). So it's not indispensable unless you specifically want to do economics at those unis.

Reply 17

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by artful_lounger
You study calculus in A-level Maths as well as further maths. It's the cornerstone of most post-GCSE mathematical methods. The whole point is they will teach you the content as you go so you will learn all the new terminology.
Since the content is new it will be unfamiliar, that shouldn't be a consideration. That's fundamentally the case for any new subject (for example, GCSE Chemistry students probably will have no idea what orbitals are, but they'll still learn about them in the A-level and be able to answer exam questions on that topic by the end).
Note you don't need FM for any finance course I'm aware of, and it's only necessary for a couple of economics courses (e.g. LSE, probably Cambridge/UCL, maybe Warwick). So it's not indispensable unless you specifically want to do economics at those unis.


you're 100% right about the new content- I didn't think of it that way. I thought fm would make my application stand out in some respects since its a respected subject and it would work well with maths and econ for economics- I couldn't think of a replacement subject if I had to. I do 'like' chemistry rn but idk if that's enough to do a whole a level

Reply 18

Original post
by RFX
most ppl who do math and fm also do like chem/phy for top unis. lots of economic applicants will do chem/phy as everyone says that econ is very mathematical in uni. If you dont actually want to/ have an interest in any other subject (unless u wanna waste hours each month just focusing academics with revision) no point in forcing yourself to do a subject you dont care for. I used to do bio but it was very boring so even despite being one of the top in my year my grades started to drop so I ended up predicted an A so I dropped it (missed grade A by 2 marks ._.)
As Peach_rose said, tons of ppl on tsr recommends 4 but its mainly cause most ppl who are acc on tsr are the people who care alot more than academics then others where its like their life (no offense)


I don't mind chem tbf but ye it's the whole '4 a level' thing again. I would prefer using the extra time for idk extra curricular reading or work experinece or stuff to make my application stand out (I'm also doing an epq since it's compulsory)

Reply 19

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by labyr5nth
I don't mind chem tbf but ye it's the whole '4 a level' thing again. I would prefer using the extra time for idk extra curricular reading or work experinece or stuff to make my application stand out (I'm also doing an epq since it's compulsory)

i think for top unis epq doesnt make much difference and they also "claim" that 4 a levels doesnt give an advantage but yh I fully agree with you the extra time I would never like using it just to revise more especially for a subject i dont rlly like. Tbh i didnt really mind bio (same as chem/phy) its just that the fact it wasnt really helpful for my future goal made me find it very boring. I think work experience especially for econ/finance is very good. Last year, 2 students from my skl got into econ at lse and i read one of their ps. Tons of WEX at deutsche bank, jp morgan, goldman sachhs, pwc etc. Idk how tf they got all of those as ik it wasnt nepotism but yh. As i only recently wanted to go into econ/finance i had no time to get WEX (as i applied oxbridge) so i may be disadvantaged but idk. I would say try get a few soon/quick b4 needing to write your ps
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