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Is Maths and further maths A level possible in one year?

I'm currently undertaking A levels in English literature and economics, and a Btec in music. I'm planning to take a gap year next year, and hopefully doing maths A level and further math A level in one year. However I won't wait till September to start, but will begin essentially straight after my year 13 exams. Is doing both maths A level and further math A level in one year possible, if so does anyone have any advice for this. I want to hopefully apply for computer science next year, and end up hypothetically at imperial or an elite university, would this be feasible? Cheers

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by Charlieteall
I'm currently undertaking A levels in English literature and economics, and a Btec in music. I'm planning to take a gap year next year, and hopefully doing maths A level and further math A level in one year. However I won't wait till September to start, but will begin essentially straight after my year 13 exams. Is doing both maths A level and further math A level in one year possible, if so does anyone have any advice for this. I want to hopefully apply for computer science next year, and end up hypothetically at imperial or an elite university, would this be feasible? Cheers

Maths, definitely yes. Further maths is a whole new level of hell. Maths A level is very very easy in comparison to further maths. If you are only studying maths and further maths, it might technically be possible. But I will warn you that you may end up having a few existential crises.

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by nwar
Maths, definitely yes. Further maths is a whole new level of hell. Maths A level is very very easy in comparison to further maths. If you are only studying maths and further maths, it might technically be possible. But I will warn you that you may end up having a few existential crises.

Yeah I would solely be doing maths and further maths within the time frame. You're probably right though😅 further maths will be agonising, and I probably won't have a life while studying it.

Reply 3

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by Charlieteall
Yeah I would solely be doing maths and further maths within the time frame. You're probably right though😅 further maths will be agonising, and I probably won't have a life while studying it.

wbf what grades would you need?

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by Charlieteall
Yeah I would solely be doing maths and further maths within the time frame. You're probably right though😅 further maths will be agonising, and I probably won't have a life while studying it.

Also I forgot to say - do stay on top of your maths during A levels! Even coping with the maths workload after a GCSE summer of not doing maths was hard for me. A break from maths for two years is going to be so so much worse.

Further maths is so much more fun than maths. Who needs a social life anyway? (And best of luck for Y13!).

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by nwar
Also I forgot to say - do stay on top of your maths during A levels! Even coping with the maths workload after a GCSE summer of not doing maths was hard for me. A break from maths for two years is going to be so so much worse.
Further maths is so much more fun than maths. Who needs a social life anyway? (And best of luck for Y13!).

Yeah that's another thing I have to worry about, I'm definitely gonna be very rusty. I agree strongly, Social lives are overrated, and friends are too.

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by mqb2766
wbf what grades would you need?

I mean I don't have anything in particular but there's no point doing the gap year if I get like 2 Cs(hyperbole of course), so I would aim for as well as I can do.

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by Charlieteall
I mean I don't have anything in particular but there's no point doing the gap year if I get like 2 Cs(hyperbole of course), so I would aim for as well as I can do.

You mentioned imperial in the op which is about A*/A for m/fm as well as having to sit the tmua (jan?) and doing stuff that makes up a computing personal statement. Id say that Jun-Jun then doing the 2 a levels shouldnt be too bad (assuming a bit of support), though to do well and do the extra entrance stuff is going to keep you busy.

Comp sci has been very competitive at top places in the last year or two.

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by mqb2766
You mentioned imperial in the op which is about A*/A for m/fm as well as having to sit the tmua (jan?) and doing stuff that makes up a computing personal statement. Id say that Jun-Jun then doing the 2 a levels shouldnt be too bad (assuming a bit of support), though to do well and do the extra entrance stuff is going to keep you busy.

I appreciate the answer. Would you say that the October TMUA would not be feasible on top of everything else, if so is the January TMUA a disadvantage for my application. I don't know how manageable or realistic this is but I'll probably try and aim for around 8-hours of total work each day just to keep up an remain on top of everything, and yeah I would realistically need the very least A* and A in both A levels for Imperial.

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by Charlieteall
I appreciate the answer. Would you say that the October TMUA would not be feasible on top of everything else, if so is the January TMUA a disadvantage for my application. I don't know how manageable or realistic this is but I'll probably try and aim for around 8-hours of total work each day just to keep up an remain on top of everything, and yeah I would realistically need the very least A* and A in both A levels for Imperial.

Tmua is roughly as maths + some problem solving (being on top of your gcse stuff) + some logic proof. So I reallly doubt oct would be feasible for you to do well enough. I dont have any specific knowledge about oct/jan bias, but Id doubt it would be significant and Id guess the oct test scheduling is more for oxbridge applicants, simply because they have to apply earlier.

Also dont underestimate the amount of cs activities youd have to put on your personal statement and be able to discuss in an interview.

8 hrs a day sounds a reasonable working day and it should get you through, but youre unlikely to hit the ground running in june if youve 2+ a levels to do this summer. You can do a bit of part time stuff during before june, but Id not expect too much.

Reply 10

Very much appreciate the feedback. In my spare time I have started the Harvard CS50 course online, however I am aware that I will have to do quite a bit more for a competitive edge. I will probably have to a bit more research for the TMUA, but I think you're right. Once again thanks for the advice mate.

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by Charlieteall
Very much appreciate the feedback. In my spare time I have started the Harvard CS50 course online, however I am aware that I will have to do quite a bit more for a competitive edge. I will probably have to a bit more research for the TMUA, but I think you're right. Once again thanks for the advice mate.

No particular knowledge of that (other than a very quick google now), but there are some supercurriculars listed at cambridge and probably imperial and ... so google of them and think about what youd need to do. Bebras/bio are the usual competitions that typical student would do, euler project is fairly widely tackled as well as some programming tasks like advent of code ....

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by mqb2766
No particular knowledge of that (other than a very quick google now), but there are some supercurriculars listed at cambridge and probably imperial and ... so google of them and think about what youd need to do. Bebras/bio are the usual competitions that typical student would do, euler project is fairly widely tackled as well as some programming tasks like advent of code ....

Oh I'll check them out. And look at that Cambridge super curricular list also

Reply 13

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by Charlieteall
I'm currently undertaking A levels in English literature and economics, and a Btec in music. I'm planning to take a gap year next year, and hopefully doing maths A level and further math A level in one year. However I won't wait till September to start, but will begin essentially straight after my year 13 exams. Is doing both maths A level and further math A level in one year possible, if so does anyone have any advice for this. I want to hopefully apply for computer science next year, and end up hypothetically at imperial or an elite university, would this be feasible? Cheers

Two questions come to mind:
(1) What did you get in your maths GCSE?
(2) Why did you choose those A-levels and not M/FM?

The reason I ask is that although it's possible to do M/FM in one year, it's generally only done successfully by someone who is extremely talented at maths and also passionate about it. Of course, people who are extremely talented at maths and passionate about it tend not to get into situations where they need to do M/FM in one year in the first place!

I don't want to be negative about this, and I don't know your circumstances, but I would think very carefully about working out a "bail out strategy" if you decide this isn't going to work. I think it would make sense to do some M/FM work now, even if at a fairly small time commitment - it will both keep your hand in and give you a better idea whether this plan is even vaguely plausible while you still have time to change plans.

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by Charlieteall
Oh I'll check them out. And look at that Cambridge super curricular list also

Just to say, Im closer to dfranklin's position (edit - there was another post after his, but its been removed ....) in terms of how hard it will be. Its not impossible, but it will be hard. You must have put a bit of thought into it already and aiming for comp sci imperial is "aspirational" and this and last year, there have been some very good "normal" candidates rejected and discussed it on this place.

Id probably put a plan together of the type of things youd do each month before june, so skilling up on gcse maths, some ukmt type preperation for tmua, some comp sci theory (like your course) and some programming (like the competitions mentioned). Also think about how youd get predicted grades for m/fm, as you wont really have completed the normal syllabus by that time.

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by DFranklin
Two questions come to mind:
(1) What did you get in your maths GCSE?
(2) Why did you choose those A-levels and not M/FM?
The reason I ask is that although it's possible to do M/FM in one year, it's generally only done successfully by someone who is extremely talented at maths and also passionate about it. Of course, people who are extremely talented at maths and passionate about it tend not to get into situations where they need to do M/FM in one year in the first place!
I don't want to be negative about this, and I don't know your circumstances, but I would think very carefully about working out a "bail out strategy" if you decide this isn't going to work. I think it would make sense to do some M/FM work now, even if at a fairly small time commitment - it will both keep your hand in and give you a better idea whether this plan is even vaguely plausible while you still have time to change plans.

I did alright at GCSE and got an 8, and tbh at the start of year 12 I wasn't that fussed with education in general, and picked A levels that semi-interested me. However once in year 12, I realised how much I hate essays and missed maths. I do agree that it is possible, but I'm worried about starting and then not having the passion or motivation to commit 10 hours of solely maths a day, so I guess doing maths now and seeing if I'll be able to commit the 10 hours a day will definitely be beneficial. I do have an alternative I'm considering though, which is just doing maths A level in the gap year, and applying for Economics, as I do have a passion for economics also, further maths is required for a handful of economic courses also(LSE or Cambridge) so might improve my chances when just doing maths.

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by mqb2766
Just to say, Im closer to dfranklin's position (edit - there was another post after his, but its been removed ....) in terms of how hard it will be. Its not impossible, but it will be hard. You must have put a bit of thought into it already and aiming for comp sci imperial is "aspirational" and this and last year, there have been some very good "normal" candidates rejected and discussed it on this place.
Id probably put a plan together of the type of things youd do each month before june, so skilling up on gcse maths, some ukmt type preperation for tmua, some comp sci theory (like your course) and some programming (like the competitions mentioned). Also think about how youd get predicted grades for m/fm, as you wont really have completed the normal syllabus by that time.

That's some solid advice, thank you very much. I guess for now I'll do as much maths in my spare time as possible, to get me sufficiently ready for June

Reply 17

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by mqb2766
Just to say, Im closer to dfranklin's position (edit - there was another post after his, but its been removed ....) in terms of how hard it will be. Its not impossible, but it will be hard. You must have put a bit of thought into it already and aiming for comp sci imperial is "aspirational" and this and last year, there have been some very good "normal" candidates rejected and discussed it on this place.
Id probably put a plan together of the type of things youd do each month before june, so skilling up on gcse maths, some ukmt type preperation for tmua, some comp sci theory (like your course) and some programming (like the competitions mentioned). Also think about how youd get predicted grades for m/fm, as you wont really have completed the normal syllabus by that time.

Also for the predicted grades I would have sign up for a course at a college or online college, where I would sit exams to get my predicted grades for both Maths and further maths A level, I would theoretically have to sit them late enough to have covered enough content, and early enough to get an application out in time, but regardless it would be quite challenging getting the predicted grades for my application

Reply 18

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by Charlieteall
I did alright at GCSE and got an 8, and tbh at the start of year 12 I wasn't that fussed with education in general, and picked A levels that semi-interested me. However once in year 12, I realised how much I hate essays and missed maths. I do agree that it is possible, but I'm worried about starting and then not having the passion or motivation to commit 10 hours of solely maths a day, so I guess doing maths now and seeing if I'll be able to commit the 10 hours a day will definitely be beneficial. I do have an alternative I'm considering though, which is just doing maths A level in the gap year, and applying for Economics, as I do have a passion for economics also, further maths is required for a handful of economic courses also(LSE or Cambridge) so might improve my chances when just doing maths.


Some more "tell it straight" advice:

I'd say the "typical" student who could pull off doing M+FM in a year would have been scoring at least in the mid-high 90's (%) at GCSE. Obviously an 8 is still a very good grade, but it's not that level. Many schools would put an 8 as the minimum to do M/FM in the normal two years, with actual teacher support.

And if you don't keep your hand in doing maths this year, your GCSE level is probably going to be more like a 7 by June.

I also very much doubt you're going to be able to productively do maths for 10 hours a day, or even 8 hours a day. At the same time, that's definitely not necessary - it depends on how quickly you pick things up. But if you think you need to do 10 hours of maths per day, I very much doubt you'll succeed.
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Reply 19

I appreciate the honesty, and I think the best course of action is just to start brushing up on my maths and dabbling in some of the a level content also. If I hypothetically go through with this, would it be better to do start learning A level maths first, and then going on to further maths, or would it be better to learn them simultaneously, to help prepare for predicted grade assessments.

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