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What oil is the better choice for energy efficiency? using heat capacity formula

The question is pretty straightforward. Here:

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It asks for the specific heat capacity.

My problem with this question is that the mass of the oils is different for each product, which suggests unfair results.

I don't know how much the mass will affect the results. Should I consider this when determining the best oil to use?
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Yes, it's a bit weird. Presumably, given the oils/lard are all roughly the same density, then the same volume = mass of oil/lard will be used for the actual frying, and so the specific heat capacity will be most relevant in determining the total amount of heat energy stored. However, if the masses of the oils/lard are different, then clearly the absolute heat capacity is most relevant.
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Reply 2
Original post by lordaxil
Yes, it's a bit weird. Presumably, given the oils/lard are all roughly the same density, then the same volume = mass of oil/lard will be used for the actual frying, and so the specific heat capacity will be most relevant in determining the total amount of heat energy stored. However, if the masses of the oils/lard are different, then clearly the absolute heat capacity is most relevant.

Thank you for confirming my confusion. I messaged my tutor that exact thing. It is annoying when you set a deadline to complete an assignment, and there are errors in the content provided. My answer will reflect the assumption that they meant the heat capacity and critique that I can not determine the specific heat capacity without knowing if the densities are roughly the same.
Original post by KingRich
The question is pretty straightforward. Here:

Screenshot 2024-12-06 121037.png




It asks for the specific heat capacity.

My problem with this question is that the mass of the oils is different for each product, which suggests unfair results.

I don't know how much the mass will affect the results. Should I consider this when determining the best oil to use?


It could be that they’ve set up the experiment so the same volume of each oil used each time, though the densities are not given and I think they just picked different masses for each oil for the sake of making it harder to deduce the best oil without calculation and this resulted in the error in the question.

I’d say assume a simplistic model where the heater is 100% efficient and there is no evaporation of the oil so Q = Pt = mcΔθ and proceed from there. Don’t worry about the experiment being unfair or the question being dodgy.
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TypicalNerd's suggestion is correct. I did the calculations and was surprised at the final result: lard is the oil to choose.
I give you the final results of my calculations:
==>Corn oil:..........1847 J/kg°C
==>Vegetable oil: 1675 J/kg°C
==>Lard:..............2261 J/kg°C
Errors and omissions excepted.

To use less energy, choose the oil with the highest heat capacity. This means the oil stays hot longer.
Lard is the best choice for your deep fat fryer.
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Original post by TypicalNerd
It could be that they’ve set up the experiment so the same volume of each oil used each time, though the densities are not given and I think they just picked different masses for each oil for the sake of making it harder to deduce the best oil without calculation and this resulted in the error in the question.
I’d say assume a simplistic model where the heater is 100% efficient and there is no evaporation of the oil so Q = Pt = mcΔθ and proceed from there. Don’t worry about the experiment being unfair or the question being dodgy.

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Reply 6
Original post by Nitrotoluene
TypicalNerd's suggestion is correct. I did the calculations and was surprised at the final result: lard is the oil to choose.
I give you the final results of my calculations:
==>Corn oil:..........1847 J/kg°C
==>Vegetable oil: 1675 J/kg°C
==>Lard:..............2261 J/kg°C
Errors and omissions excepted.

To use less energy, choose the oil with the highest heat capacity. This means the oil stays hot longer.
Lard is the best choice for your deep fat fryer.
Ciao,
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My signature: "Regardless of where you may be, expressing gratitude is a universally cherished gesture."

Is there anything wrong, doing the temperate in kelvin as that’s the units recommended as standard.

Well, in my explanation, I chose lard but I used heat capacity due to them not clarifying about the densities of the oil, however I calculated based on the assumption that they were the same and offered two different solutions.

Lard came out the better option in both scenarios.
Original post by KingRich
Is there anything wrong, doing the temperate in kelvin as that’s the units recommended as standard.
Well, in my explanation, I chose lard but I used heat capacity due to them not clarifying about the densities of the oil, however I calculated based on the assumption that they were the same and offered two different solutions.
Lard came out the better option in both scenarios.

The temperature difference in kelvins will be the same as the temperature difference in degrees, so you can use either. I agree that the change in the thermodynamic temperature is probably better though as it is more standard.

I think your approach was sensible. Let's wait and see what the course providers have to say about your answer.
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Original post by TypicalNerd
The temperature difference in kelvins will be the same as the temperature difference in degrees, so you can use either. I agree that the change in the thermodynamic temperature is probably better though as it is more standard.
I think your approach was sensible. Let's wait and see what the course providers have to say about your answer.

If I’m honest, In my other assignments there were errors in questions and so I had to make assumptions on parts and report errors in their context and they were happy that I pointed these things out as they said it showed deep understanding. I also provided references in these cases. I’ve received distinction in all assignments.
Original post by KingRich
If I’m honest, In my other assignments there were errors in questions and so I had to make assumptions on parts and report errors in their context and they were happy that I pointed these things out as they said it showed deep understanding. I also provided references in these cases. I’ve received distinction in all assignments.


I see. Are these the same people who gave you those dodgy organic chemistry questions from a while back? lol

Congratulations on the excellent results so far and the additional reading around the subject.
Reply 10
Original post by TypicalNerd
I see. Are these the same people who gave you those dodgy organic chemistry questions from a while back? lol
Congratulations on the excellent results so far and the additional reading around the subject.

Regarding chemistry symbol errors and their structure, yes lol.

I have contacted them a lot regarding errors in their material. After some digging, I discovered other people had report the same errors a few years ago but it was never corrected.

I went above their head and contacted the main office and said if I fail my assignment due to your inability to provide the correct material, I’ll have to speak with the awarding body.

They has reassured me that the content is going to be put correct and they used the excuse that the people uploading the content weren’t academics, but just content providers, so I gather they weren’t checking the content to see if it was error free.

Thank you. I am currently in the process of studying centripetal force because the course doesn’t explain anything related to it. I’m not sure if this is intention but for me, when I approach an assignment, I want to treat it like an exam but if I have to come out of it and then study new material, it kinda feels like I’m cheating if that makes sense.

Apologise for the story haha

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