University that allows 2 subjects/ course
Guys, I want to find a university that allows you to do 2 subjects that do medicine and animation. A place where it's safe and is in the city but not located in Newcastle or in Manchester.
I am trying to find a uni that is far away, like 2 hours away from my family's home due to them being very toxic, so I am planning on leave. A place ( uni) that also helps students in my type of position.
Plz need 🙏 a lot of help
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I am trying to find a uni that is far away, like 2 hours away from my family's home due to them being very toxic, so I am planning on leave. A place ( uni) that also helps students in my type of position.
Plz need 🙏 a lot of help
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Original post by Jeff 46
Guys, I want to find a university that allows you to do 2 subjects that do medicine and animation. A place where it's safe and is in the city but not located in Newcastle or in Manchester.
I am trying to find a uni that is far away, like 2 hours away from my family's home due to them being very toxic, so I am planning on leave. A place ( uni) that also helps students in my type of position.
Plz need 🙏 a lot of help
Friends can't help
I am trying to find a uni that is far away, like 2 hours away from my family's home due to them being very toxic, so I am planning on leave. A place ( uni) that also helps students in my type of position.
Plz need 🙏 a lot of help
Friends can't help
Original post by Jeff 46
Guys, I want to find a university that allows you to do 2 subjects that do medicine and animation. A place where it's safe and is in the city but not located in Newcastle or in Manchester.
I am trying to find a uni that is far away, like 2 hours away from my family's home due to them being very toxic, so I am planning on leave. A place ( uni) that also helps students in my type of position.
Plz need 🙏 a lot of help
Friends can't help
I am trying to find a uni that is far away, like 2 hours away from my family's home due to them being very toxic, so I am planning on leave. A place ( uni) that also helps students in my type of position.
Plz need 🙏 a lot of help
Friends can't help
There are no joint honours degrees in medicine. There are probably a couple of reasons for this:
a) Medicine is already a long degree and very intensively programmed I gather with a lot of contact hours, placements etc, to meet GMC requirements. How would they fit in all the other required parts of the "other" subject without drastically extending the already long degree?
b) Medicine is a vocational course, intending to prepare you to work as a doctor. It doesn't make intellectual sense to combine it with another field preparing you for a completely different career.
c) Medical degrees are heavily subsidised by the governments and the NHS to train the next generation of doctors. I think the last figures I heard is that it costs the government about 100k per year per medical student or something? So not only does it not make sense from an intellectual coherence point of view as above, practically it's a waste of the governments money to prepare you (partially) for one field and then end up with you not even working in that field after you finish the course
That said, a number of medical degrees do allow you to intercalate into a wide variety of subjects, including ones not offered by that medical school/uni. This is not a joint honours degree, but allows you to spend one year studying in another (usually cognate) field.
It may be possible to somehow find some way to incorporate some kind of creative/design element into an intercalated year as a result. Also there is the field of medical illustration which I gather you can go into from a medical background sometimes - I believe there is a course at Dundee at the masters level for that, although you do need a portfolio.
I think fundamentally though you do need to make a decision whether you want to pursue a career as a doctor (i.e. do a medical degree) or a creative career (i.e. doing a degree in e.g. animation, illustration, design, etc).
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Original post by artful_lounger
There are no joint honours degrees in medicine. There are probably a couple of reasons for this:
a) Medicine is already a long degree and very intensively programmed I gather with a lot of contact hours, placements etc, to meet GMC requirements. How would they fit in all the other required parts of the "other" subject without drastically extending the already long degree?
b) Medicine is a vocational course, intending to prepare you to work as a doctor. It doesn't make intellectual sense to combine it with another field preparing you for a completely different career.
c) Medical degrees are heavily subsidised by the governments and the NHS to train the next generation of doctors. I think the last figures I heard is that it costs the government about 100k per year per medical student or something? So not only does it not make sense from an intellectual coherence point of view as above, practically it's a waste of the governments money to prepare you (partially) for one field and then end up with you not even working in that field after you finish the course
That said, a number of medical degrees do allow you to intercalate into a wide variety of subjects, including ones not offered by that medical school/uni. This is not a joint honours degree, but allows you to spend one year studying in another (usually cognate) field.
It may be possible to somehow find some way to incorporate some kind of creative/design element into an intercalated year as a result. Also there is the field of medical illustration which I gather you can go into from a medical background sometimes - I believe there is a course at Dundee at the masters level for that, although you do need a portfolio.
I think fundamentally though you do need to make a decision whether you want to pursue a career as a doctor (i.e. do a medical degree) or a creative career (i.e. doing a degree in e.g. animation, illustration, design, etc).
a) Medicine is already a long degree and very intensively programmed I gather with a lot of contact hours, placements etc, to meet GMC requirements. How would they fit in all the other required parts of the "other" subject without drastically extending the already long degree?
b) Medicine is a vocational course, intending to prepare you to work as a doctor. It doesn't make intellectual sense to combine it with another field preparing you for a completely different career.
c) Medical degrees are heavily subsidised by the governments and the NHS to train the next generation of doctors. I think the last figures I heard is that it costs the government about 100k per year per medical student or something? So not only does it not make sense from an intellectual coherence point of view as above, practically it's a waste of the governments money to prepare you (partially) for one field and then end up with you not even working in that field after you finish the course
That said, a number of medical degrees do allow you to intercalate into a wide variety of subjects, including ones not offered by that medical school/uni. This is not a joint honours degree, but allows you to spend one year studying in another (usually cognate) field.
It may be possible to somehow find some way to incorporate some kind of creative/design element into an intercalated year as a result. Also there is the field of medical illustration which I gather you can go into from a medical background sometimes - I believe there is a course at Dundee at the masters level for that, although you do need a portfolio.
I think fundamentally though you do need to make a decision whether you want to pursue a career as a doctor (i.e. do a medical degree) or a creative career (i.e. doing a degree in e.g. animation, illustration, design, etc).
Original post by artful_lounger
There are no joint honours degrees in medicine. There are probably a couple of reasons for this:
a) Medicine is already a long degree and very intensively programmed I gather with a lot of contact hours, placements etc, to meet GMC requirements. How would they fit in all the other required parts of the "other" subject without drastically extending the already long degree?
b) Medicine is a vocational course, intending to prepare you to work as a doctor. It doesn't make intellectual sense to combine it with another field preparing you for a completely different career.
c) Medical degrees are heavily subsidised by the governments and the NHS to train the next generation of doctors. I think the last figures I heard is that it costs the government about 100k per year per medical student or something? So not only does it not make sense from an intellectual coherence point of view as above, practically it's a waste of the governments money to prepare you (partially) for one field and then end up with you not even working in that field after you finish the course
That said, a number of medical degrees do allow you to intercalate into a wide variety of subjects, including ones not offered by that medical school/uni. This is not a joint honours degree, but allows you to spend one year studying in another (usually cognate) field.
It may be possible to somehow find some way to incorporate some kind of creative/design element into an intercalated year as a result. Also there is the field of medical illustration which I gather you can go into from a medical background sometimes - I believe there is a course at Dundee at the masters level for that, although you do need a portfolio.
I think fundamentally though you do need to make a decision whether you want to pursue a career as a doctor (i.e. do a medical degree) or a creative career (i.e. doing a degree in e.g. animation, illustration, design, etc).
a) Medicine is already a long degree and very intensively programmed I gather with a lot of contact hours, placements etc, to meet GMC requirements. How would they fit in all the other required parts of the "other" subject without drastically extending the already long degree?
b) Medicine is a vocational course, intending to prepare you to work as a doctor. It doesn't make intellectual sense to combine it with another field preparing you for a completely different career.
c) Medical degrees are heavily subsidised by the governments and the NHS to train the next generation of doctors. I think the last figures I heard is that it costs the government about 100k per year per medical student or something? So not only does it not make sense from an intellectual coherence point of view as above, practically it's a waste of the governments money to prepare you (partially) for one field and then end up with you not even working in that field after you finish the course
That said, a number of medical degrees do allow you to intercalate into a wide variety of subjects, including ones not offered by that medical school/uni. This is not a joint honours degree, but allows you to spend one year studying in another (usually cognate) field.
It may be possible to somehow find some way to incorporate some kind of creative/design element into an intercalated year as a result. Also there is the field of medical illustration which I gather you can go into from a medical background sometimes - I believe there is a course at Dundee at the masters level for that, although you do need a portfolio.
I think fundamentally though you do need to make a decision whether you want to pursue a career as a doctor (i.e. do a medical degree) or a creative career (i.e. doing a degree in e.g. animation, illustration, design, etc).
If I can't do both, then can i become a surgeon, then pay off my debt, then do part-time uni to learn animation. Because I want to become a doctor to then help me fund my own animation studio. I want to make my own shows
Original post by Jeff 46
If I can't do both, then can i become a surgeon, then pay off my debt, then do part-time uni to learn animation. Because I want to become a doctor to then help me fund my own animation studio. I want to make my own shows
Those both seem like distinct, full-time occupations.
Original post by Jeff 46
If I can't do both, then can i become a surgeon, then pay off my debt, then do part-time uni to learn animation. Because I want to become a doctor to then help me fund my own animation studio. I want to make my own shows
As above these are really distinct things. While I see how you've gotten to this point of reasoning, I think it is fundamentally faulty, as detailed below.
Firstly, I'd point out that whether or not you're a surgeon is irrelevant in your proposed route, as all NHS doctors are paid the same barring on-call commitments. In fact since surgical specialties take longer to complete, you wouldn't be a consultant for longer and would be earning less for a longer period as a resident doctor as a result. While surgeons can earn more with private practice once they become a consultant this is a) only after they become a consultant (so 16+ years away) and b) doesn't just happen automatically and I gather is something that takes some time to develop as a career to begin making a lot of money. There are also other specialties with similar scope for private practice work I gather.
Secondly, becoming a doctor is a pretty long and by all accounts demanding path. You really need to want to do it for reasons other than getting money to ultimately go and do something else. Also, relative to other careers requiring similar levels of achievement to start off with, medicine pays well but not extraordinary amounts. Doctors live comfortable middle class lives in the UK, they aren't rolling around in McMansion money to go off and start their own businesses after "putting in their time". It's not investment banking/tech startup money (although equally, comes with relatively less risk as once you get onto the degree, you're pretty much on the conveyor belt, whereas finance and tech sectors have lots of attrition and failure points).
Thirdly, setting up your own studio and creating your own original media is not just a function of capital. Even if you did have mountains of money you were sitting on, you can't just throw it onto something and call it a business. You need to actually have the skills and abilities to do the work, the experience of working on other people's IPs to understand what does (and doesn't) work in the market, and understanding the whole business of animation - not just the technical and creative skills, but also the production and business side of things. You need more than artists, voice artists, and sound designers - you also need a marketing team, sales people to get you onto major platforms/channels/networks, finance folks to oversee all the money of it, etc, etc.
Successful animators who create their own studios don't do so straight out of animation school, they do it as as the product of a long term career where they've learned (the hard way, sometimes) how to get to that point (and also if they have overarching direction of the studio - how to step back and let the individual creatives and teams work on things that they've delegated to them as creative director). For example, Hayao Miyazaki does not animate every frame of Studio Ghibli films, nor does he (at least by himself) do all the marketing planning and advertising and sales work!
"Paying ones dues" is not (purely) just a case of creative skills being taken advantage of until the person gets to step into the limelight - there is a significant component of, as well as doing purely scut work, doing smaller pieces of work in different areas in the sector to understand the big picture so that you have the knowledge to succeed when taking on the bigger roles later in your career. This is arguably not even really that specific to a creative career but probably applies to many/any career.
So I don't think your plan really makes sense, because you wouldn't actually in all likelihood spend 25 years as a doctor saving up tons of money (even supposing you are able to do that) to be able to just suddenly step out at the end into an equivalent level position as a creative director of an animation studio. You'd be going back to working on the bottom rung, having to do all the training from scratch (doing the animation degree, or equivalent preparation), networking from the ground up, establishing your bona fides etc.
Hence, if your ultimate goal is to pursue the creative career, it makes more sense to start that process now rather than begin a career in another area (which you may or may not succeed in) to try and later jump ship into a wholly different area.
Original post by Admit-One
Those both seem like distinct, full-time occupations.
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Original post by artful_lounger
As above these are really distinct things. While I see how you've gotten to this point of reasoning, I think it is fundamentally faulty, as detailed below.
Firstly, I'd point out that whether or not you're a surgeon is irrelevant in your proposed route, as all NHS doctors are paid the same barring on-call commitments. In fact since surgical specialties take longer to complete, you wouldn't be a consultant for longer and would be earning less for a longer period as a resident doctor as a result. While surgeons can earn more with private practice once they become a consultant this is a) only after they become a consultant (so 16+ years away) and b) doesn't just happen automatically and I gather is something that takes some time to develop as a career to begin making a lot of money. There are also other specialties with similar scope for private practice work I gather.
Secondly, becoming a doctor is a pretty long and by all accounts demanding path. You really need to want to do it for reasons other than getting money to ultimately go and do something else. Also, relative to other careers requiring similar levels of achievement to start off with, medicine pays well but not extraordinary amounts. Doctors live comfortable middle class lives in the UK, they aren't rolling around in McMansion money to go off and start their own businesses after "putting in their time". It's not investment banking/tech startup money (although equally, comes with relatively less risk as once you get onto the degree, you're pretty much on the conveyor belt, whereas finance and tech sectors have lots of attrition and failure points).
Thirdly, setting up your own studio and creating your own original media is not just a function of capital. Even if you did have mountains of money you were sitting on, you can't just throw it onto something and call it a business. You need to actually have the skills and abilities to do the work, the experience of working on other people's IPs to understand what does (and doesn't) work in the market, and understanding the whole business of animation - not just the technical and creative skills, but also the production and business side of things. You need more than artists, voice artists, and sound designers - you also need a marketing team, sales people to get you onto major platforms/channels/networks, finance folks to oversee all the money of it, etc, etc.
Successful animators who create their own studios don't do so straight out of animation school, they do it as as the product of a long term career where they've learned (the hard way, sometimes) how to get to that point (and also if they have overarching direction of the studio - how to step back and let the individual creatives and teams work on things that they've delegated to them as creative director). For example, Hayao Miyazaki does not animate every frame of Studio Ghibli films, nor does he (at least by himself) do all the marketing planning and advertising and sales work!
"Paying ones dues" is not (purely) just a case of creative skills being taken advantage of until the person gets to step into the limelight - there is a significant component of, as well as doing purely scut work, doing smaller pieces of work in different areas in the sector to understand the big picture so that you have the knowledge to succeed when taking on the bigger roles later in your career. This is arguably not even really that specific to a creative career but probably applies to many/any career.
So I don't think your plan really makes sense, because you wouldn't actually in all likelihood spend 25 years as a doctor saving up tons of money (even supposing you are able to do that) to be able to just suddenly step out at the end into an equivalent level position as a creative director of an animation studio. You'd be going back to working on the bottom rung, having to do all the training from scratch (doing the animation degree, or equivalent preparation), networking from the ground up, establishing your bona fides etc.
Hence, if your ultimate goal is to pursue the creative career, it makes more sense to start that process now rather than begin a career in another area (which you may or may not succeed in) to try and later jump ship into a wholly different area.
Firstly, I'd point out that whether or not you're a surgeon is irrelevant in your proposed route, as all NHS doctors are paid the same barring on-call commitments. In fact since surgical specialties take longer to complete, you wouldn't be a consultant for longer and would be earning less for a longer period as a resident doctor as a result. While surgeons can earn more with private practice once they become a consultant this is a) only after they become a consultant (so 16+ years away) and b) doesn't just happen automatically and I gather is something that takes some time to develop as a career to begin making a lot of money. There are also other specialties with similar scope for private practice work I gather.
Secondly, becoming a doctor is a pretty long and by all accounts demanding path. You really need to want to do it for reasons other than getting money to ultimately go and do something else. Also, relative to other careers requiring similar levels of achievement to start off with, medicine pays well but not extraordinary amounts. Doctors live comfortable middle class lives in the UK, they aren't rolling around in McMansion money to go off and start their own businesses after "putting in their time". It's not investment banking/tech startup money (although equally, comes with relatively less risk as once you get onto the degree, you're pretty much on the conveyor belt, whereas finance and tech sectors have lots of attrition and failure points).
Thirdly, setting up your own studio and creating your own original media is not just a function of capital. Even if you did have mountains of money you were sitting on, you can't just throw it onto something and call it a business. You need to actually have the skills and abilities to do the work, the experience of working on other people's IPs to understand what does (and doesn't) work in the market, and understanding the whole business of animation - not just the technical and creative skills, but also the production and business side of things. You need more than artists, voice artists, and sound designers - you also need a marketing team, sales people to get you onto major platforms/channels/networks, finance folks to oversee all the money of it, etc, etc.
Successful animators who create their own studios don't do so straight out of animation school, they do it as as the product of a long term career where they've learned (the hard way, sometimes) how to get to that point (and also if they have overarching direction of the studio - how to step back and let the individual creatives and teams work on things that they've delegated to them as creative director). For example, Hayao Miyazaki does not animate every frame of Studio Ghibli films, nor does he (at least by himself) do all the marketing planning and advertising and sales work!
"Paying ones dues" is not (purely) just a case of creative skills being taken advantage of until the person gets to step into the limelight - there is a significant component of, as well as doing purely scut work, doing smaller pieces of work in different areas in the sector to understand the big picture so that you have the knowledge to succeed when taking on the bigger roles later in your career. This is arguably not even really that specific to a creative career but probably applies to many/any career.
So I don't think your plan really makes sense, because you wouldn't actually in all likelihood spend 25 years as a doctor saving up tons of money (even supposing you are able to do that) to be able to just suddenly step out at the end into an equivalent level position as a creative director of an animation studio. You'd be going back to working on the bottom rung, having to do all the training from scratch (doing the animation degree, or equivalent preparation), networking from the ground up, establishing your bona fides etc.
Hence, if your ultimate goal is to pursue the creative career, it makes more sense to start that process now rather than begin a career in another area (which you may or may not succeed in) to try and later jump ship into a wholly different area.
Thanks. Do you have any advice
And I will be working 2 jobs.
1. As a normal job that pays good to help me pay for my animation stuff and people and stuff but I also like the job
2. Making my own animation
I am willing to put in the effort to learn the things I have to do, like manage a campany , learn animation
Now that you mention it now I just feel empty inside
I'm not sure if u you trying to help but I feel like my hope and dreams have been crushed
But u do make a point
Original post by Jeff 46
Any advice I feel like engineering would work,better than maybe in robotic 🤖
I like dealing with robotic
Original post by Jeff 46
Guys, I want to find a university that allows you to do 2 subjects that do medicine and animation. A place where it's safe and is in the city but not located in Newcastle or in Manchester.
I am trying to find a uni that is far away, like 2 hours away from my family's home due to them being very toxic, so I am planning on leave. A place ( uni) that also helps students in my type of position.
Plz need 🙏 a lot of help
Friends can't help
I am trying to find a uni that is far away, like 2 hours away from my family's home due to them being very toxic, so I am planning on leave. A place ( uni) that also helps students in my type of position.
Plz need 🙏 a lot of help
Friends can't help
Hi there,
As mentioned above, medicine and animation are too distinct of courses to match together. Unfortunately, having a career path for both will be difficult but certainly not impossible.
The good thing about animation is that it is a subject you can study yourself at any point. Yes, specialist equipment and teaching are less accessible outside of a university course, but certainly not inaccessible.
The thing with University is that while you are doing your course, you can easily do other things for example joining in with animation related societies (or making your own one), connecting with people that do the course, or even potentially connecting with key people/lecturers in the field. In the end, university is all about learning. You get out as much as you put in. The only thing to consider is that medicine is a hefty course, it may take a lot of your time so committing to another avenue of learning will be difficult, but certainly not impossible.
In the end, having a degree in animation is not the only way to learn animation. If you have the passion for it, there is nothing stopping you from pursuing it in your own time, on the side.
Koen (Student Ambassador)
Original post by Jeff 46
Thanks. Do you have any advice
And I will be working 2 jobs.
1. As a normal job that pays good to help me pay for my animation stuff and people and stuff but I also like the job
2. Making my own animation
I am willing to put in the effort to learn the things I have to do, like manage a campany , learn animation
Now that you mention it now I just feel empty inside
I'm not sure if u you trying to help but I feel like my hope and dreams have been crushed
But u do make a point
And I will be working 2 jobs.
1. As a normal job that pays good to help me pay for my animation stuff and people and stuff but I also like the job
2. Making my own animation
I am willing to put in the effort to learn the things I have to do, like manage a campany , learn animation
Now that you mention it now I just feel empty inside
I'm not sure if u you trying to help but I feel like my hope and dreams have been crushed
But u do make a point
As above, you aren't going to find a job that pays enough to live away from your family and fund people's salaries and that teaches you animation, certainly not with basic qualifications. Why not do animation at uni and get a job in that field, which will also allow you to pursue your own projects, but with support, if they are good enough?
Nick Park: studied Communication Arts at Sheffield, then went to the National Film and Television School, where he started making A Grand Day Out, the first Wallace and Gromit film, and finally joined the staff at Aardman Animations. He didn't start his own company, but his talent was recognised and the rest, as they say, is history... 🐧🐶
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Original post by Jeff 46
Thanks. Do you have any advice
And I will be working 2 jobs.
1. As a normal job that pays good to help me pay for my animation stuff and people and stuff but I also like the job
2. Making my own animation
I am willing to put in the effort to learn the things I have to do, like manage a campany , learn animation
Now that you mention it now I just feel empty inside
I'm not sure if u you trying to help but I feel like my hope and dreams have been crushed
But u do make a point
And I will be working 2 jobs.
1. As a normal job that pays good to help me pay for my animation stuff and people and stuff but I also like the job
2. Making my own animation
I am willing to put in the effort to learn the things I have to do, like manage a campany , learn animation
Now that you mention it now I just feel empty inside
I'm not sure if u you trying to help but I feel like my hope and dreams have been crushed
But u do make a point
Why are you fixated on working two jobs? Don't half-ass two things, whole-ass one thing!
It's a perfectly reasonable goal to aim for a career in animation - but you should commit to it, not try and do something else while vaguely thinking somehow you will also make a career in animation while doing something else.
Do a relevant creative degree, use the time at uni to learn technical skills and network in the industry, get relevant work experience and internships, and work your way up in the industry when you graduate
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Original post by Jeff 46
Okay so I think I will just study animation at uni but also find a job that can support me not like med. Because I was going to med as a main job and animation as side husle. But if you guys say to choose 1 then I'll choose animation
Original post by Jeff 46
When you are going to uni does your college subjects have to relate the course you want to do bc I want to do animation in uni but I choose all 3 sciences and math for a levels I did it because my parents didn't gove me an option
If you want to study animation somewhere that will help you establish yourself with a career in animation then you will need an excellent portfolio of creative work showing your observational drawing, character study, storyboarding and ideally also your animation skills. That’s much more difficult if you aren’t studying a creative subject at A level.
Original post by PQ
If you want to study animation somewhere that will help you establish yourself with a career in animation then you will need an excellent portfolio of creative work showing your observational drawing, character study, storyboarding and ideally also your animation skills. That’s much more difficult if you aren’t studying a creative subject at A level.
I think after I have already finished with college, I will move away go to a new college to study a creative A level while also having a job (obvious) do you think this is a good idea I know it will be hard but what do you think?
Original post by Jeff 46
I think after I have already finished with college, I will move away go to a new college to study a creative A level while also having a job (obvious) do you think this is a good idea I know it will be hard but what do you think?
I think you’d be better taking an Art and Design Foundation Diploma post A level
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