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Reply 20

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by depiji5069
Actually, increasingly it does matter.
You're right, that if you work just in the NHS which university you study at will not impact your ability to get a job. There is data suggesting that it does influence your likelihood of passing the postgraduate royal college exams first time - but that is surmountable
However there's an increasing number of UK trained doctors (and nurses) who leave the NHS to work in the private sector or abroad. Outside the NHS where you studied does matter. With that in mind, I think a sixth-former should think carefully about where they apply to - accepting that they may not have a choice if they only get one offer.


At this stage the bigger issue is actually getting a speciality training place.

Reply 21

Original post
by depiji5069
Actually, increasingly it does matter.
You're right, that if you work just in the NHS which university you study at will not impact your ability to get a job. There is data suggesting that it does influence your likelihood of passing the postgraduate royal college exams first time - but that is surmountable
However there's an increasing number of UK trained doctors (and nurses) who leave the NHS to work in the private sector or abroad. Outside the NHS where you studied does matter. With that in mind, I think a sixth-former should think carefully about where they apply to - accepting that they may not have a choice if they only get one offer.

If you aren't even out of high school yet, you won't be thinking about ditching the NHS yet. This person should not worry about silly things such as the uni they get into, just if they get into uni, then afterwards they can decide if they want to stay or go. It is pretty easy to get a job basically anywhere as a doctor if you already have the medicine degree, it is just a case of some tests usually as almost everywhere is always short on doctors.

Reply 22

Hi, this is somewhat irrelevant to the discussion going on but can I ask if anyone knows Cambridge’s attitudes to people who have been on free school meals/are currently on the 16-19 bursary (also do they consider other circumstances like being raised in a single-parent household for the majority of one’s life). Everyone has been really helpful and I’m very grateful for all the advice and information I’ve received.
Thank you!

Reply 23

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by just a happy guy
Hi, this is somewhat irrelevant to the discussion going on but can I ask if anyone knows Cambridge’s attitudes to people who have been on free school meals/are currently on the 16-19 bursary (also do they consider other circumstances like being raised in a single-parent household for the majority of one’s life). Everyone has been really helpful and I’m very grateful for all the advice and information I’ve received.
Thank you!

Cambridge will consider all applicants holistically and with extenuating circumstances such as yours. They will interview most, if not all, whom they think would achieved the academic results for A level, not just predicted A (as most time it's quite biased).

But it does goes down to academic ability and a "rounded" candidate.

Depending on which course you are applying to, there are specific (not official but they are observed to have more outreach programme) colleges that have more outreach to extenuating circumstances students from
state schools, inclusive of your mentioned circumstances.

Reply 24

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by stilllearning123
If you aren't even out of high school yet, you won't be thinking about ditching the NHS yet. This person should not worry about silly things such as the uni they get into, just if they get into uni, then afterwards they can decide if they want to stay or go. It is pretty easy to get a job basically anywhere as a doctor if you already have the medicine degree, it is just a case of some tests usually as almost everywhere is always short on doctors.


'Easy to get a job anywhere as a doctor if you already have the medicine degree'....

Famous last words my friend. This is not accurate.

You will not just waltz into any job in North America as just a post F2 doctor- they will not take you. You have to complete their own medical licensing examinations (££££s) and then obtain a residency. I know this because I am in contact with some doctors in the USA who are doing precisely this. Residency alone is no cake-walk- they work a great deal of hours and it is considered part of the process of becoming a doctor. You can apply as a UK graduate -many people do- and the acceptance/success rate is over 50% but you need to be passing the USMLE step exams in an orderly fashion. Certainly for people considering this as a career choice they need to be sitting step 1 fairly early, certainly by the end of year 4 in their UK degree so that the content is fresh in your mind.

Yes, you may find it relatively easy after completing consultant qualifications but much will depend on the local job market in the region you wish to work in. Consider that fully qualified consultant-level doctors in the USA might earn $500,000 a year. There is thus a competitive nature to that market and believe me not just anyone can get a medical degree in the USA- the cost of completing one is in the order of 1 million USD and they generally will not accept anyone on to a medical course who hasn't already got a pretty serious STEM degree first.

USMLE exams are no pushover, either: I know people who are either studying for them or who have completed them and the general consensus is that they are harder than MRCP- the 'gate keeper' examination for people hoping to pass into later stage speciality training in the UK.

Australia and New Zealand are relatively straightforward to work in, but again are subject to local market demand. You also cannot obtain a training place in any speciality there unless you have permanent residency to begin with and they also tend to place preference over local graduates (as the UK probably should do given that the tax payer has invested the thick end of £100K in most medical students by the end of their course).

Even in the UK job market, you may not find there are a lot of jobs post F2 and there is absolutely no cast-iron guarantee everyone will be given a foundation place if you care to read the small print from the GMC.

The UK is not short of doctors. It is short of speciality-trained doctors- the actual people who have the skills to eat into these extensive waiting lists. And why is there a shortage of doctors with speciality training? Because the government will not finance any more training places.
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Reply 25

Original post
by Jonjon7
Cambridge will consider all applicants holistically and with extenuating circumstances such as yours. They will interview most, if not all, whom they think would achieved the academic results for A level, not just predicted A (as most time it's quite biased).
But it does goes down to academic ability and a "rounded" candidate.
Depending on which course you are applying to, there are specific (not official but they are observed to have more outreach programme) colleges that have more outreach to extenuating circumstances students from
state schools, inclusive of your mentioned circumstances.

Thank you for the reply, this information is extremely helpful!

Reply 26

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by just a happy guy
Thank you for the reply, this information is extremely helpful!

Do keep an eye on Fitzwilliam and Pembroke college. These 2 colleges tend to have more outreach to states chool students, although all 31 colleges supposed to have equal outreach programmes. You can go to Cam website and search for ongoing events. They usually have a year round activities, eg webinars, how to apply, personal statement writing, summer schools (Sutton Trust) etc.

Reply 27

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by Jonjon7
Do keep an eye on Fitzwilliam and Pembroke college. These 2 colleges tend to have more outreach to states chool students, although all 31 colleges supposed to have equal outreach programmes. You can go to Cam website and search for ongoing events. They usually have a year round activities, eg webinars, how to apply, personal statement writing, summer schools (Sutton Trust) etc.

That is interesting, I will definitely look out for that. Currently I’ve applied and been lucky enough to be accepted into some programmes such as STEM SMART, Caius 12 and Pathways to Bath. I will be looking out for more events though, perhaps some sort of competition? Thank you for you help!

Reply 28

Original post
by just a happy guy
That is interesting, I will definitely look out for that. Currently I’ve applied and been lucky enough to be accepted into some programmes such as STEM SMART, Caius 12 and Pathways to Bath. I will be looking out for more events though, perhaps some sort of competition? Thank you for you help!

Just make sure you don't get overwhelmed with all these programmes, alongside your academic and super curricular activities.

All the best!

Reply 29

Just a quick follow up, for those considering and planning for Cambridge

https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/events-listing

I would say Cambridge has a broader and richer programmes to help prospective students.

Reply 30

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by stilllearning123
I'm Scottish (how could you have guessed 🤣) so I can't give much advice on GCSE retakes as we don't do retakes here in Scotland.
If you think you will end up getting a higher score than your last, your school will let you and you it won't have a negative impact on your a-levels, I don't see why not.

I know lots of people who have retaken their Nat 5s and Highers…

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