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(Original post by jamieuk20)
there are plenty of books in libraries, what's your point? do you have one?
my point was that there is great scope in television just as there exists in literature. This 'freedom' of thought and imagination you speak of is just as easily available through television as it is through reading
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There isn't really the same quality available in tv programs on regular tv as there are books in the library really are there?
I wouldn't say that any of the soaps extend my mind very much.
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Do you think the 'reality' of Tv leads you to over react in your life to bring the TV alive?
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i think that the so called TV "reality" makes people upset..because they expect things to be the same way they are in TV ..but they are not and they are not going to be the same..
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If a choice existed between watching teens shag on Hollyoaks, someone being raped on Eastenders, or reading my future kid something positive - the polar opposite to modern trash TV - then I think my mind would be made up in a matter of seconds.
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(Original post by jamieuk20)
If a choice existed between watching teens shag on Hollyoaks, someone being raped on Eastenders, or reading my future kid something positive - the polar opposite to modern trash TV - then I think my mind would be made up in a matter of seconds.
well but there are also one interesting thing on the TV.. what about all the different documentaries you can see there??
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yeah ok. my point is that, whilst TV might be useful in a child's development, it should not serve as the be-all and end-all. literacy is very important, everyone knows that, how are you gonna get a job without it? you don't learn spelling from a TV set. how else do you think people before 1936 coped before the Scotsman John Logie Baird invented the first TV set? society seemed to get along just fine then.
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yeah ok. my point is that, whilst TV might be useful in a child's development, it should not serve as the be-all and end-all. literacy is very important, everyone knows that, how are you gonna get a job without it? you don't learn spelling from a TV set. how else do you think people before 1936 coped before the Scotsman John Logie Baird invented the first TV set? society seemed to get along just fine then.
thats a good point..it's true that watching TV isn't the most appropriate way how to spend your spare time but abandoning it completely isn't very clever neither dont you think so?
i am not protecting TV>.i am just saying that one should now how much time to spend watching TV and its also important to choose the right chanels to watch...
for example...you can improve your skills in a foreign language through watching TV ( i did it myself and it really works)
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thats a good point..it's true that watching TV isn't the most appropriate way how to spend your spare time but abandoning it completely isn't very clever neither dont you think so?

at primary school one of my best friends was a kid called Daniel who had 6 brothers and sisters. his parents expressly forbade any TV in the house and he has since grown up, along with his siblings, into one of the most intelligent people I know.
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at primary school one of my best friends was a kid called Daniel who had 6 brothers and sisters. his parents expressly forbade any TV in the house and he has since grown up, along with his siblings, into one of the most intelligent people I know.
:eek: wow that's extreme...but i am sure that not watching TV wont help you become intelligent..

he watched TV at his friends houses or in school.. and what about cinema?
i mean..he didn't abandoned it completely

..and TV can be also taken as a source of information.. for example my dad needs to do both: read news papers AND watch TV to get as much information as possible about the issues that are going on.. for his work..
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:eek: wow that's extreme...but i am sure that not watching TV wont help you become intelligent..

he watched TV at his friends houses or in school.. and what about cinema?
i mean..he didn't abandoned it completely

..and TV can be also taken as a source of information.. for example my dad needs to do both: read news papers AND watch TV to get as much information as possible about the issues that are going on.. for his work..

right, well if it's unavoidable for work that's ok. but do you know that a major reason why young British kids are so unfit and "couch-potato" like nowadays is because of dependence upon Playstation and the TV? If they got out more into the open and had some honest true exercise rather than being cooped up indoors and developing into pallid lily-white creatures then we might also succeed in driving down the scarily high level of obesity in the country
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right, well if it's unavoidable for work that's ok. but do you know that a major reason why young British kids are so unfit and "couch-potato" like nowadays is because of dependence upon Playstation and the TV? If they got out more into the open and had some honest true exercise rather than being cooped up indoors and developing into pallid lily-white creatures then we might also succeed in driving down the scarily high level of obesity in the country
well i share the possition with you..i know it's important to go out..fresh air..excercise..read books etc for a healthy development of kids..
what i just want to say is that it's silly to completelly forbid your children to watch TV,play playstation and surf the internet..
i think that if these activities does not fill up your whole day.. if the time is limited..then they can be rather beneficial to you rather than harm you..
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what i just want to say is that it's silly to completelly forbid your children to watch TV,play playstation and surf the internet..
i think that if these activities does not fill up your whole day.. if the time is limited..then they can be rather beneficial to you rather than harm you..
i think the point is that television can become very addictive, especially for young children. it would cause problems if the parent tries to limit the hours the kid gets to watch, i.e. withdrawal symptoms.
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i think the point is that television can become very addictive, especially for young children. it would cause problems if the parent tries to limit the hours the kid gets to watch, i.e. withdrawal symptoms.
well in that case it's essential to make sure that your kid wont become addicted.. spend more time whit him/her for example..
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overexposure of Playstation to young kids is dangerous, research shows they are more prone to aggressive and/or violent behaviour. you have to remember that children have not got fully developed brains and they cannot fully distinguish between the logic of a video game and the logic of reality ... in short they think "oh, it's all right for Mr X in Time Crisis to blow 300 people up so therefore i can". if this is reinforced by the parents using violence to get what they want - e.g. threats, hitting others - then fairly soon they will realise that violence achieves results. Tada.
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Most children's TV programmes are half an hour long, with everything resolved and tied up during thhat music-filled, action-packed assault on the eyes and ears. There aren't many children's TV programmes that are serials anymore. Reading a book is a quiet activity that involves concentration, imagination and projection. It can take a child a few weeks to read a book which cultivates patience.

My mum is a primary school teacher and says that very few children choose to read books other than Harry Potter. Harry Potter itself isn't a very good book for children to read; they're all packed with dialogue. When the children write their own stories they write dialogue, but often without punctuation or even a new sentence between people. Harry Potter teaches children bad reading and writing habits (IMHO) because they skim from one line of dialogue to the next and, if their reading is not supplemented by other books, their writing becomes an incoherent mess of questions and replies and they simply don't enjoy reading other books that aren't:

Harry said, Hermione grumbled, Ron moved the book off of the table, Harry gasped, Hermione muttered, Ron squeaked.
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Reading a book is a quiet activity that involves concentration, imagination and projection. It can take a child a few weeks to read a book which cultivates patience.

One might even term Harry Potter "pornography in literature."
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I think the people who blame TV for their kids lack of attention span/violent tendancy/homosexuality are the sort of people that don't spend enough time with their kids.

TV is a window to the real world in some cases, but in most cases a fantasy land...it's a form of light entertainment, not a babysitter, and so many people get that balance wrong and have nobody but themselves to blame.

too right. one of the hardest things you can get a person to do is to admit that they're wrong. it doesn't happen very often. I think if I left any future child of mine alone with big tits Jordan in the jungle on TV "enjoying life" then I would have failed him or her miserably. Far too much is made of sex on TV and before people invariably point their fingers and call me a prude, could you please have the intelligence to remember that anyone can just tune into a TV and watch a programme. It doesn't matter if violent/sexual programmes are shown after 9pm watershed, a kid can just stay up late and that's that.
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what can you gain from reading which cant be gathered from a television set?
It's not necessarily about the knowledge. TV does all of the work for you. It's almost totally passive. It's someone else's vision, meaning that you don't properly develop your own. When you read the words on the page, you create that world for yourself. It will look and sound and feel different to everyone else's that has ever read that book. If you can't learn to visualise or create like this then you are going to be a far more limited person than those who can.

(Original post by jamieuk20)
at primary school one of my best friends was a kid called Daniel who had 6 brothers and sisters. his parents expressly forbade any TV in the house and he has since grown up, along with his siblings, into one of the most intelligent people I know.
My dad patiently taught me to read when I was 3. Books were always encouraged. I have never stopped thanking him for that.
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It's not necessarily about the knowledge. TV does all of the work for you. It's almost totally passive. It's someone else's vision, meaning that you don't properly develop your own. When you read the words on the page, you create that world for yourself. It will look and sound and feel different to everyone else's that has ever read that book. If you can't learn to visualise or create like this then you are going to be a far more limited person than those who can.

well said!
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Do you think people are too dependant on tv?
some people are
Are attention spans shorter now?
probrably - would say so.
Do you think the 'reality' of Tv leads you to over react in your life to bring the TV alive?
its not real is it? unless you mean reality tv which sux.
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