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Differentiation question a level edexcel

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Could anyone help me with the above question? My working out is below and the question is written at the top. I’m not quite sure where I’ve gone wrong. The answer at the back of the book is 1/x^2+1

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by sophiejones16
I don’t think differentiating arc sin/cos/tan is part of the spec anymore ? I think the only question u can get is a show that question with just arc sin/cos/tan x


It was in the new edexcel textbooks though? And can’t you prove the arcsin from siny=x? So would it not come up like that?

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by sophiejones16
I think the proof is for example with arc sin, just show that the derivative of arc sin x = 1/root 1-x^2. You let arc sin = y so that x = sin y. Then dx/dy is cos y, so dy/dx is 1/cos y. They using sin^2y + cos^2y =1, rearrange in terms of cos y. So cos y = root of 1-sin^2y, and we know sin y=x, so cos y = root of 1-x^2. So dy/dx = 1/root 1-x^2.
Same sort of idea for arc cos and arc tan as well.


I understand that bit but I don’t think I showed it in my working out but I don’t understand where I went wrong in the above question. Could you help please?

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by username79352
I understand that bit but I don’t think I showed it in my working out but I don’t understand where I went wrong in the above question. Could you help please?

If you had
theta = arcsin(x/sqrt(1+x^2))
could you sketch that as a right triangle with sides .... and then get simpler arctrig function to differentiate? It may not be the way they want you to go, but the question (arcsin argument) is kind of hinting at it. It would be a few lines or a write down if you assume you know the arctrig derviative.

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by username79352
I understand that bit but I don’t think I showed it in my working out but I don’t understand where I went wrong in the above question. Could you help please?

Your working is largely right, though the bit in the bottom right seems to give the reciprocal of the answer, so 1/sqrt(1+x^2). Dividing by a fraction is flip and multiply, or multiply through (num and denom) by sqrt(1+x^2)

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by mqb2766
Your working is largely right, though the bit in the bottom right seems to give the reciprocal of the answer, so 1/sqrt(1+x^2). Dividing by a fraction is flip and multiply, or multiply through (num and denom) by sqrt(1+x^2)


Ohhh yeah so that would make it root 1+x^2 which would make dy by dx 1/1+x^2. Thank you for your help! Also would questions like this come up because the other person said they don’t think it’s part of the spec?

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by username79352
Ohhh yeah so that would make it root 1+x^2 which would make dy by dx 1/1+x^2. Thank you for your help! Also would questions like this come up because the other person said they don’t think it’s part of the spec?

Looks like diff arctrig stuff is in further calculus - further maths a level
https://qualifications.pearson.com/content/dam/pdf/A%20Level/Mathematics/2017/specification-and-sample-assesment/a-level-l3-further-mathematics-specification.pdf

Did you spot that that
arcsin(x/sqrt(1+x^2)) = arctan(x)
hence the derivative is 1/(1+x^2)

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by mqb2766
If you had
theta = arcsin(x/sqrt(1+x^2))
could you sketch that as a right triangle with sides .... and then get simpler arctrig function to differentiate? It may not be the way they want you to go, but the question (arcsin argument) is kind of hinting at it. It would be a few lines or a write down if you assume you know the arctrig derviative.


I’m sort of confused by this. I got a triangle with the sides 1 and x and the hyp being root 1+x^2 but I’m not really sure what you’re asking me to do.

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by username79352
I’m sort of confused by this. I got a triangle with the sides 1 and x and the hyp being root 1+x^2 but I’m not really sure what you’re asking me to do.

So the right triangle has sides
adj: opp:hyp = 1:x:sqrt(1+x^2)
where
theta = arcsin(x/sqrt(1+x^2)) = arctan(x)
so differentiating arcsin(x/sqrt(1+x^2)) gives the same as differentiating arctan(x). The latter is a standard result so 1/(1+x^2)

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by mqb2766
So the right triangle has sides
adj: opp:hyp = 1:x:sqrt(1+x^2)
where theta = arcsin(x/sqrt(1+x^2)) = arctan(x)
so differentiating arcsin(x/sqrt(1+x^2)) gives the same as differentiating arctan(x)


But if the question was 8 marks would I get all the marks for doing that method?

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by username79352
But if the question was 8 marks would I get all the marks for doing that method?

Dont know. At a guess, the question setter used that relationship to set the question and expected an approach similar to what you did. But its a valid method, properly explained it should get full marks (unless the question explicitly rules out this approach), and obviously a fair bit simpler. So sketch a right triangle and its pretty much a one liner, rather than doing laborious algebra/chain/quotient rule.
(edited 1 year ago)

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by username79352
But if the question was 8 marks would I get all the marks for doing that method?

As an alternative, if y = arcsin(...) then sin y = (...) so you can use implicit differentiation to get cos y (dy/dx) on the LHS and use your quotient rule on the RHS, then rearrange using cos^2 + sin^1 = 1 to get cos y in terms of x. It's about the same amount of working as you have done, but possibly easier to lay out / check for errors.

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by username79352
But if the question was 8 marks would I get all the marks for doing that method?

Purely for interest, and to prove that you can do anything with a triangle or three, in Jim Belks ans in
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1299682/geometric-intuition-for-derivatives-of-basic-trig-functions
for the image with the main triangle which is 1:tan(theta):sec(theta) which is our scenario with tan(theta)=x, sec(theta)=sqrt(1+x^2), then the top small triangle corresponds to our scenario
https://i.sstatic.net/Zkwjz.png
so the dx corresponds to the small increment in x or tan(theta) and d theta is the small increment in theta
dx ~ sec^2(theta) d theta
or
d theta / dx ~ 1/(1+tan^2(theta)) = 1/(1+x^2)

Obviously, you need to take limiting arguments and its not an a level ans, but a simple picture of 3 triangles replaces a page of calculus/algebra.

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by mqb2766
Purely or interest, and to prove that you can do anything with a triangle, in Jim Belks ans in
https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1299682/geometric-intuition-for-derivatives-of-basic-trig-functions
for the image with the main triangle which is 1:tan(theta):sec(theta) which is our scenario with tan(theta)=x, sec(theta)=sqrt(1+x^2), then the top small triangle corresponds to our scenario
https://i.sstatic.net/Zkwjz.png
so the dx corresponds to the small increment in x or tan(theta) and d theta is the small increment in theta
dx ~ sec^2(theta) d theta
or
d theta / dx ~ 1/(1+tan^2(theta)) = 1/(1+x^2)
Obviously, you need to take limiting arguments and its not an a level ans, but a simple picture of 3 triangles replaces a page of calculus/algebra.


That’s actually really cool! Thank you for that! :smile:

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