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Hi i am doing the llb with international business at reading uni and I am planning to transfer to the llb law with business at Exeter uni, however the optional business modules in my first year at reading are only worth 20 credits whilst the optional business modules in the first year of the law with business at Exeter are worth 30 credits .Would I get an offer or not due the credits for the optional business modules ,what do yall think.
Original post by Ghgfhgfff
Hi i am doing the llb with international business at reading uni and I am planning to transfer to the llb law with business at Exeter uni, however the optional business modules in my first year at reading are only worth 20 credits whilst the optional business modules in the first year of the law with business at Exeter are worth 30 credits .Would I get an offer or not due the credits for the optional business modules ,what do yall think.

Exeter are unlikely to allow such a transfer.

Have you read the "Second year entry" section of their How to apply page? It includes a list of programmes which are normally not available for second year entry due to the nature of first year modules. LLB Law appears in that list. So regardless of any difference with the business elements of the course, the main law elements present an issue. :frown:

Note that they also say:

"To be accepted for entry into the second year of a programme we will normally expect that you:

achieve a 2.1 within the first year of your current programme
have studied or are studying modules that match the core components of the first year modules on the programme you are applying for (check the ‘Course content’ section of the programme webpage)
have achieved level three qualifications (A levels, IB or equivalent) equivalent to those of current first year applicants"

If you still want to pursue this option, they recommend contacting the relevant department to see whether the course offers second year entry. Hopefully you'll be lucky, and different rules will apply to LLB Law with Business. :crossedf:
Reply 2
Original post by DataVenia
Exeter are unlikely to allow such a transfer.
Have you read the "Second year entry" section of their How to apply page? It includes a list of programmes which are normally not available for second year entry due to the nature of first year modules. LLB Law appears in that list. So regardless of any difference with the business elements of the course, the main law elements present an issue. :frown:
Note that they also say:
"To be accepted for entry into the second year of a programme we will normally expect that you:
achieve a 2.1 within the first year of your current programme
have studied or are studying modules that match the core components of the first year modules on the programme you are applying for (check the ‘Course content’ section of the programme webpage)
have achieved level three qualifications (A levels, IB or equivalent) equivalent to those of current first year applicants"
If you still want to pursue this option, they recommend contacting the relevant department to see whether the course offers second year entry. Hopefully you'll be lucky, and different rules will apply to LLB Law with Business. :crossedf:

Yh I did contact there admissions and they accept 2 year transfers into the law with business course but I am not to sure if the modules match which is something they can't help me with. Is there a way I can check, do you know by any chance or do any of yall know.
Original post by Ghgfhgfff
Yh I did contact there admissions and they accept 2 year transfers into the law with business course but I am not to sure if the modules match which is something they can't help me with. Is there a way I can check, do you know by any chance or do any of yall know.

Hi Ghgfhgff,

It might be worth contacting our admissions team directly as they will be best placed to help with this. You can contact them using our enquiry form here. Regarding the suitability of modules, you should be able to ask admissions to send your transcript or list of modules from your current university to the relevant departments in Cornwall and they should be able to provide a judgement on whether they are acceptable or not.

Kingsley
University of Exeter Student Ambassador
(edited 2 months ago)
Reply 4
Original post by ExeterStudentRep
Hi Ghgfhgff,
It might be worth contacting our admissions team directly as they will be best placed to help with this. You can contact them using our enquiry form here. Regarding the suitability of modules, you should be able to ask admissions to send your transcript or list of modules from your current university to the relevant departments in Cornwall and they should be able to provide a judgement on whether they are acceptable or not.
Kingsley
University of Exeter Student Ambassador
Hi i did but the person I was talking to said that they can't help with that, I can't attatch an image of the email sent and conversation but I am going to copy and paste what was said so yall can see, It's all written bellow.






Thank you for your enquiry.

We previously recommended that we do not consider transfers where additional subject(s) would have to be picked up or dropped.

If you are studying law with business we may consider a transfer to our LLB Law with Business or BBL Bachelor of Business and Law.

You would still need to meet our entry requirements for the course as published at https://www.exeter.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/courses/law/<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.exeter.ac.uk%2Fstudy%2Fundergraduate%2Fcourses%2Flaw%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csid%40exeter.ac.uk%7Cfe9a14201a884c7bbe7108dd30096e24%7C912a5d77fb984eeeaf321334d8f04a53%7C0%7C0%7C638719539239878540%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gkkw54rJ5cbsIT87e5Xlgh%2BV6qeEHD562U3U9QrZoUc%3D&reserved=0>. This is necessary to determine whether your preparation for the programme matches expectations for current first-year students. In addition, second-year entry will normally be conditional upon achieving a 2.1 within the first year of your current studies, including a very close match to our current modules listed for each programme. We cannot, though, guarantee the suitability of particular content ahead of a full and formal assessment of a UCAS application.

Applications for second-year entry can be made via UCAS as normal; you will be asked to select whether you want to apply for the first or second year during the application process. You should also be prepared to provide up-to-date transcripts of your current higher education studies and/or predicted grades supplied by your academic referee.

We cannot realistically advise on the likelihood of an application being successful as this will depend on the individual merits of the application (including our assessment of the modules studied at the time), whether the academic department has space to accept another student in our second year, and the number and quality of other applications received.

Many thanks,
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Hi i am replying to the email above and i replied to it, but got no answer.I am not sure if the modules in the law with international business which I will do at my current institution are compatible with the modules in the law with business course at exerter, so is there a way I can check if they are compatible before I apply?
Thank you for your reply.
I must again advise that we cannot realistically advise on the likelihood of an application being successful and that part of our assessment will be to review the individual merits of the application (including our assessment of the modules studied at the time).

Many thanks,
Original post by Ghgfhgfff
Hi i did but the person I was talking to said that they can't help with that, I can't attatch an image of the email sent and conversation but I am going to copy and paste what was said so yall can see, It's all written bellow.
Thank you for your enquiry.
We previously recommended that we do not consider transfers where additional subject(s) would have to be picked up or dropped.
If you are studying law with business we may consider a transfer to our LLB Law with Business or BBL Bachelor of Business and Law.
You would still need to meet our entry requirements for the course as published at https://www.exeter.ac.uk/study/undergraduate/courses/law/<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.exeter.ac.uk%2Fstudy%2Fundergraduate%2Fcourses%2Flaw%2F&data=05%7C02%7Csid%40exeter.ac.uk%7Cfe9a14201a884c7bbe7108dd30096e24%7C912a5d77fb984eeeaf321334d8f04a53%7C0%7C0%7C638719539239878540%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gkkw54rJ5cbsIT87e5Xlgh%2BV6qeEHD562U3U9QrZoUc%3D&reserved=0>. This is necessary to determine whether your preparation for the programme matches expectations for current first-year students. In addition, second-year entry will normally be conditional upon achieving a 2.1 within the first year of your current studies, including a very close match to our current modules listed for each programme. We cannot, though, guarantee the suitability of particular content ahead of a full and formal assessment of a UCAS application.
Applications for second-year entry can be made via UCAS as normal; you will be asked to select whether you want to apply for the first or second year during the application process. You should also be prepared to provide up-to-date transcripts of your current higher education studies and/or predicted grades supplied by your academic referee.
We cannot realistically advise on the likelihood of an application being successful as this will depend on the individual merits of the application (including our assessment of the modules studied at the time), whether the academic department has space to accept another student in our second year, and the number and quality of other applications received.
Many thanks,
Sam
Sam Bave
Pronouns: they/them
Hi i am replying to the email above and i replied to it, but got no answer.I am not sure if the modules in the law with international business which I will do at my current institution are compatible with the modules in the law with business course at exerter, so is there a way I can check if they are compatible before I apply?
Thank you for your reply.
I must again advise that we cannot realistically advise on the likelihood of an application being successful and that part of our assessment will be to review the individual merits of the application (including our assessment of the modules studied at the time).
Many thanks,
Sam
Sam Bave
Pronouns: they/them
Admissions Administrator
University of Exeter
www.exeter.ac.uk

Hi Ghgfhfff,

Thanks for sharing those previous email conversations with Exeter's admissions team, I appreciate they don't provide you with the clear answer you are probably looking for. Each university's course can be quite complex in how they curate it and which modules are involved. This means that even when comparing two similarly titled courses, such as Law with Business and Law with International Business, it can sometimes require a lot of work to check how the structures compare and if a transfer is possible. This is especially true for something like a law degree where there are other factors to consider, such as ensuring that the seven foundations that make up the academic training component of the Bar Standards Board are covered.

My advice would be to follow Sam's instructions in their email to complete a full UCAS application if you are still wanting to transfer courses from Reading to Exeter. It is only then that a full comparison of the modules between Reading and Exeter can be made and your application can be assessed in full.

However, even from a brief comparison of the LLB Law with Business course at Exeter and LLB Law with International Business course at Reading I think there may be some significant differences in the structure of the courses. For example, at Reading in your first year, based on the course content listed online, it appears you will have already completed modules in tort and contract law (taken from here). However, at Exeter this content is taught in modules currently taken in the second year, as you can see here. If you were to transfer, you could see how this may lead you to having taken two modules each on tort and contract law, at the expense of potentially studying modules on other topics. This becomes especially problematic if the modules you might miss due to differences in the course include the seven foundations of the BSB as mentioned above.

It may be worth comparing your transcript with that of Exeter's first year more closely, as I have done with one example above, to judge for yourself where you think key differences may exist. I am not a law student, and do not know what you have covered at Reading in your modules so far, so you might come to a different assessment about whether the content matches closely or not. This will help provide you with some insight into the likelihood of whether your UCAS application for second year entry will be accepted or not.

An alternative you may consider would be to apply for first year entry to the Exeter course, if you know you would prefer to study here rather than continue at Reading. Otherwise it might be worth reflecting on your motivations for leaving your current course to consider what is more important to you - a) finishing your degree as quickly as you can, b) perhaps taking longer to complete your degree but changing universities and courses. This might be something you want to discuss with tutors or academics at Reading, who will be able to offer advice and may also have ideas to improve your engagement and enthusiasm for the current course, should you decide to stay.

I hope that makes sense, and apologies that is not the clear-cut answer that you are likely hoping for. I'm happy to help answer other questions or provide other advice as needed, and wish you luck with whatever you decide to do.

Kingsley
University of Exeter Student Ambassador
Reply 6
If you were to transfer, you could see how this may lead you to having taken two modules each on tort and contract law, at the expense of potentially studying modules on other topics. This becomes especially problematic if the modules you might miss due to differences in the course include the seven foundations of the BSB as mentioned above.


I am not sure if I am being a bit dense but I am bit confused on what you have said above.
Original post by Ghgfhgfff
If you were to transfer, you could see how this may lead you to having taken two modules each on tort and contract law, at the expense of potentially studying modules on other topics. This becomes especially problematic if the modules you might miss due to differences in the course include the seven foundations of the BSB as mentioned above.
I am not sure if I am being a bit dense but I am bit confused on what you have said above.

Hi Ghgfhgfff,

Based on the information online it looks like Reading teach modules on contract and tort law in year 1, as seen here, whereas Exeter teach similar modules on the same topics in year 2, as seen here.

This means that if you were to transfer between years 1 and 2 from Reading to Exeter, you'd have already studied contract and tort law at Reading, and then would study the equivalent modules studying similar content at Exeter in year 2. This would mean you'd be studying the same things in consecutive years, at the opportunity cost of studying something else, i.e. a different part of law not covered in the 1st year at Reading.

This is especially important for a law degree where you need to study certain content in order to qualify for the academic training component of the Bar Standards Board - link here. Contract and tort law are both part of these seven foundations of legal knowledge, but if you study these topics twice (Year 1 at Reading, Year 2 at Exeter), it might mean that you miss out on studying other foundations and therefore your specific degree transcript, including the transfer, would no longer satisfy the Bar Standards Board requirements.

It's important to check the differences in structure between Reading and Exeter's course. In particular, check what you might have missed from the Exeter 1st Year compared to Reading 1st Year, and whether there are opportunities to study the same topics in the Exeter 2nd or 3rd Year. It's especially important to make sure you don't miss out studying any of the seven foundations of the Bar Standards Board, e.g. modules on ...

Criminal Law;

Equity and Trusts;

EU Law in Context*;

Obligations 1 (Contract);

Obligations 2 (Tort):

Property/Land Law; and

Public Law (Constitutional Law, Administrative Law and Human Rights Law


Although both the Reading and Exeter degrees separately satisfy this requirement, the hybrid version you are proposing to study (Year 1 from Reading, Years 2 + 3 from Exeter) may not. It would be useful to check the modules closely yourself to see if this is the case.

I hope this makes sense, but let me know if you have any further questions.

Kingsley
University of Exeter Student Ambassador
Reply 8
Thank you for re-explaining it do you know who I might have to get into contact with regarding weather there is an opportunity to study the modules which I may miss in the first year of the law with business course to study them in my second or third year if I were to transfer.
Original post by Ghgfhgfff
Thank you for re-explaining it do you know who I might have to get into contact with regarding weather there is an opportunity to study the modules which I may miss in the first year of the law with business course to study them in my second or third year if I were to transfer.

No problem. I'm not sure how much flexibility there is to study modules in different years to when they are normally studied. The only occasion where I can think of this happening is when incoming study abroad students sometimes study a range of different modules across years and have more flexibility in the classes they take. I would suggest raising this question to admissions, explaining the case similarly to what we have discussed in this thread and seeing what their response is.

Kingsley
University of Exeter Student Ambassador

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