What's your PAT scores?
My PAT scores came today, and I got a 68/100, but despite being 13 years old, I didn't even get an interview. What's you guys' score?
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Original post by elias294330
My PAT scores came today, and I got a 68/100, but despite being 13 years old, I didn't even get an interview. What's you guys' score?
An interview where? At Oxford?
Original post by elias294330
My PAT scores came today, and I got a 68/100, but despite being 13 years old, I didn't even get an interview. What's you guys' score?
Regardless, I don’t think any Oxford college would accept someone who is 13; the minimum is generally 16 (unofficially). I also doubt that you got 68 being just 13 and/or are in the position to apply.
Original post by stilllearning123
An interview where? At Oxford?
Yep
Original post by Anonymous
Not many get an interview with a score of 68.
Regardless, I don’t think any Oxford college would accept someone who is 13; the minimum is generally 16 (unofficially). I also doubt that you got 68 being just 13 and/or are in the position to apply.
Regardless, I don’t think any Oxford college would accept someone who is 13; the minimum is generally 16 (unofficially). I also doubt that you got 68 being just 13 and/or are in the position to apply.
I did 3 A-levels(Maths, Physics, Chemistry) and got A*A*A* and 4 GCSEs(Maths, Chemistry, Physics, Biology) getting 9,9,9,9 and will do GCSE English Language, A-level Biology, A-level Further Maths, GCSE Further Maths, GCSE Additional Maths, and GCSE Further Pure Maths while submitting the needed information to UCAS with a personal statement written as well which would technically meet all the requirements, right?😣
Also the shortlisted mean is 61.5 while the mean for those with offers is 66.3!
Are you serious? Why do you wish to go to university at 13 or 14?
The admission process is not determined by numerical scores alone. The Oxford approach to learning requires a degree of maturity which comes with age. I have heard some tutors express the view that 20 should be the minimum age for Oxford students.
In addition, the colleges are not likely to be enthusiastic about taking on the safeguarding duties associated with an undergraduate who would be a minor throughout his or her residence.
The admission process is not determined by numerical scores alone. The Oxford approach to learning requires a degree of maturity which comes with age. I have heard some tutors express the view that 20 should be the minimum age for Oxford students.
In addition, the colleges are not likely to be enthusiastic about taking on the safeguarding duties associated with an undergraduate who would be a minor throughout his or her residence.
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this is one of the most unserious posts ive seen on this platform - and there are a lot of contenders.
however, i have literally nothing better to do now that for my purposes, the UCAS process is over. It also might be informative for others.
Also, isn't it convenient that your score is a couple marks below the auto shortlist mark given in the admissions report?
In the .00001% chance you're serious - sorry. If not, please grow up. Posting lies on a silly internet forum is one of the saddest things I've heard of - and I've heard of a lot.
however, i have literally nothing better to do now that for my purposes, the UCAS process is over. It also might be informative for others.
1.
If someone were to have less than 7-9 GCSEs at A*, unless they have a lot of contextual factors going for them, they will likely get a cGCSE score of 0. If you have a cGCSE of 0, your R-score is your PAT score - and you won't be guaranteed to be shortlisted for interview unless you get the threshold mark - which was 70 this year.
2.
If you aren't auto-shortlisted, you need a good rest of application to get shortlisted - and if you don't, you won't.
3.
Anyone who has done an A level in physics at an A* level would get at least a 75 on PAT, but I personally think it would be closer to 85, given the physics ability you have to have. The Mechs modules in A level make it even worse.
4.
Doing 10 different types of maths is not 10 GCSE's. Even if you do 2 different exam boards, it only counts to 1 GCSE.
In the .00001% chance you're serious - sorry. If not, please grow up. Posting lies on a silly internet forum is one of the saddest things I've heard of - and I've heard of a lot.
Even if the OP is for real, his or her family and school are not, I suggest, doing him or her any favours by encouraging the educational approach that the OP claims to be taking.
Oxford isn't Hogwarts. It's a place for young adults to study and undergo personal development.
There are occasional cases of precocious teenagers who go to Oxford very young. I was an undergraduate when Ruth Lawrence matriculated at the age of 12. Her hyper-nerdy father went everywhere with her. I saw them a few times going about on a tandem bike. I have no idea whether or not Professor Lawrence, as she now is, is a happy person. I hope that she is. I wonder what she thinks about her childhood.
I could say the same about tennis kids who have been playing Grand Slams since they were in their teens.
Mozart was paraded around Europe as a child genius by his father. Mozart and his father did not get on well, and Mozart , towering genius though he was, was not an altogether stable or happy man in adulthood.
I am not sure that Oxford would let Ruth Lawrence in if she were to apply aged 12 today. Ideas about human development are perhaps a bit more sophisticated now than they were in 1983.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Lawrence
My daughter is a fresher who turned twenty in her second week at Oxford (she had a gap year). One of her friends at her college is still seventeen, and has struggled a bit with various aspects of Oxford and UK life (she's from a non-Anglophone country). I was almost nineteen when I arrived at Oxford (October birthday but no gap year). I would not have wished to have been much younger than that when I started at university. Youth is, of course, famously wasted on the young, and I was only just getting the hang of the place when it was time to leave!
Oxford isn't Hogwarts. It's a place for young adults to study and undergo personal development.
There are occasional cases of precocious teenagers who go to Oxford very young. I was an undergraduate when Ruth Lawrence matriculated at the age of 12. Her hyper-nerdy father went everywhere with her. I saw them a few times going about on a tandem bike. I have no idea whether or not Professor Lawrence, as she now is, is a happy person. I hope that she is. I wonder what she thinks about her childhood.
I could say the same about tennis kids who have been playing Grand Slams since they were in their teens.
Mozart was paraded around Europe as a child genius by his father. Mozart and his father did not get on well, and Mozart , towering genius though he was, was not an altogether stable or happy man in adulthood.
I am not sure that Oxford would let Ruth Lawrence in if she were to apply aged 12 today. Ideas about human development are perhaps a bit more sophisticated now than they were in 1983.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Lawrence
My daughter is a fresher who turned twenty in her second week at Oxford (she had a gap year). One of her friends at her college is still seventeen, and has struggled a bit with various aspects of Oxford and UK life (she's from a non-Anglophone country). I was almost nineteen when I arrived at Oxford (October birthday but no gap year). I would not have wished to have been much younger than that when I started at university. Youth is, of course, famously wasted on the young, and I was only just getting the hang of the place when it was time to leave!
(edited 2 months ago)
Original post by Stiffy Byng
Even if the OP is for real, his or her family and school are not, I suggest, doing him or her any favours by encouraging the educational approach that the OP claims to be taking.
Oxford isn't Hogwarts. It's a place for young adults to study and undergo personal development.
There are occasional cases of precocious teenagers who go to Oxford very young. I was an undergraduate when Ruth Lawrence matriculated at the age of 12. Her hyper-nerdy father went everywhere with her. I saw them a few times going about on a tandem bike. I have no idea whether or not Professor Lawrence, as she now is, is a happy person. I hope that she is. I wonder what she thinks about her childhood.
I could say the same about tennis kids who have been playing Grand Slams since they were in their teens.
Mozart was paraded around Europe as a child genius by his father. Mozart and his father did not get on well, and Mozart , towering genius though he was, was not an altogether stable or happy man in adulthood.
I am not sure that Oxford would let Ruth Lawrence in if she were to apply aged 12 today. Ideas about human development are perhaps a bit more sophisticated now than they were in 1983.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Lawrence
My daughter is a fresher who turned twenty in her second week at Oxford (she had a gap year). One of her friends at her college is still seventeen, and has struggled a bit with various aspects of Oxford and UK life (she's from a non-Anglophone country). I was almost nineteen when I arrived at Oxford (October birthday but no gap year). I would not wished to have been much younger than that when I started at university. Youth is, of course, famously wasted on the young, and I was only just getting the hang of the place when it was time to leave!
Oxford isn't Hogwarts. It's a place for young adults to study and undergo personal development.
There are occasional cases of precocious teenagers who go to Oxford very young. I was an undergraduate when Ruth Lawrence matriculated at the age of 12. Her hyper-nerdy father went everywhere with her. I saw them a few times going about on a tandem bike. I have no idea whether or not Professor Lawrence, as she now is, is a happy person. I hope that she is. I wonder what she thinks about her childhood.
I could say the same about tennis kids who have been playing Grand Slams since they were in their teens.
Mozart was paraded around Europe as a child genius by his father. Mozart and his father did not get on well, and Mozart , towering genius though he was, was not an altogether stable or happy man in adulthood.
I am not sure that Oxford would let Ruth Lawrence in if she were to apply aged 12 today. Ideas about human development are perhaps a bit more sophisticated now than they were in 1983.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Lawrence
My daughter is a fresher who turned twenty in her second week at Oxford (she had a gap year). One of her friends at her college is still seventeen, and has struggled a bit with various aspects of Oxford and UK life (she's from a non-Anglophone country). I was almost nineteen when I arrived at Oxford (October birthday but no gap year). I would not wished to have been much younger than that when I started at university. Youth is, of course, famously wasted on the young, and I was only just getting the hang of the place when it was time to leave!
i feel like for the most able applicants, the social requirement, as you say, is certainly the biggest barrier. I know people who have known the whole A Level and beyond back to front from y10, but there is a social aspect of education that should not be undervalued. From my own personal perspective, more than anything else, secondary school has taught me how to be social - going from an 11yo who had spent a whole year doing nothing but prepping for the 11+ (which, by the way, is not great) to someone who could reasonably have a good social life at uni.
Although it is certainly possible for a lot of people to skip years and end up getting very high grades at A levels, it is certainly not helping anyone. You need to be 18 to buy a house, start a business, or apply for jobs. And in the current job market, I doubt many top companies are about to take a risk on a 16 year old - even if they did graduate at the top of their class in oxford, so skipping forward now will be compensated at least in part later.
Original post by elias294330
Here's the proof: newgentutor . com . Go in the page and read the article or watch the video. I was interviewed by BBC news and if you really don't trust me I can show my PAT score proof but it's disappointing to see people assuming or thinking I am lying first/more than simply trying to express my annoyance at the result I got from Oxford despite the grades I got. I know I am young so there is safe guarding issues but my parents called the admission team and they said it's fine to apply and they didn't say any age requirement or number of GCSEs requirement and then they backstab us by saying now it matters... I just feel frustrated that I spent all the time and effort for nothing.
You have not been back stabbed. Right now, you are not ready for Oxford. You might be able to go to Oxford when you are older. For now, why not enjoy your teenage years? There will be plenty of time for academic success later on.
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Original post by elias294330
I did 3 A-levels(Maths, Physics, Chemistry) and got A*A*A* and 4 GCSEs(Maths, Chemistry, Physics, Biology) getting 9,9,9,9 and will do GCSE English Language, A-level Biology, A-level Further Maths, GCSE Further Maths, GCSE Additional Maths, and GCSE Further Pure Maths while submitting the needed information to UCAS with a personal statement written as well which would technically meet all the requirements, right?😣
Also the shortlisted mean is 61.5 while the mean for those with offers is 66.3!
Also the shortlisted mean is 61.5 while the mean for those with offers is 66.3!
Where did you see that the mean for those with offers is 66.3?
Original post by Harik0
this is one of the most unserious posts ive seen on this platform - and there are a lot of contenders.
however, i have literally nothing better to do now that for my purposes, the UCAS process is over. It also might be informative for others.
Also, isn't it convenient that your score is a couple marks below the auto shortlist mark given in the admissions report?
In the .00001% chance you're serious - sorry. If not, please grow up. Posting lies on a silly internet forum is one of the saddest things I've heard of - and I've heard of a lot.
however, i have literally nothing better to do now that for my purposes, the UCAS process is over. It also might be informative for others.
1.
If someone were to have less than 7-9 GCSEs at A*, unless they have a lot of contextual factors going for them, they will likely get a cGCSE score of 0. If you have a cGCSE of 0, your R-score is your PAT score - and you won't be guaranteed to be shortlisted for interview unless you get the threshold mark - which was 70 this year.
2.
If you aren't auto-shortlisted, you need a good rest of application to get shortlisted - and if you don't, you won't.
3.
Anyone who has done an A level in physics at an A* level would get at least a 75 on PAT, but I personally think it would be closer to 85, given the physics ability you have to have. The Mechs modules in A level make it even worse.
4.
Doing 10 different types of maths is not 10 GCSE's. Even if you do 2 different exam boards, it only counts to 1 GCSE.
In the .00001% chance you're serious - sorry. If not, please grow up. Posting lies on a silly internet forum is one of the saddest things I've heard of - and I've heard of a lot.
Did you get A* in physics and did you do PAT? If not, you say as if PAT is easy. I think 68 which is above the offer holder mean for 13 years old is impressive so don't know where stats coming - unreliable.
Original post by sound-famous-
Where did you see that the mean for those with offers is 66.3?
Because i did the PAT when I get the result it tells me the mean scores in general and in offer holder.
Original post by elias294330
I did 3 A-levels(Maths, Physics, Chemistry) and got A*A*A* and 4 GCSEs(Maths, Chemistry, Physics, Biology) getting 9,9,9,9 and will do GCSE English Language, A-level Biology, A-level Further Maths, GCSE Further Maths, GCSE Additional Maths, and GCSE Further Pure Maths while submitting the needed information to UCAS with a personal statement written as well which would technically meet all the requirements, right?😣
Also the shortlisted mean is 61.5 while the mean for those with offers is 66.3!
Also the shortlisted mean is 61.5 while the mean for those with offers is 66.3!
Bro you are not getting into any uni, especially not oxford until you are at least 16, no matter how smart you are. Go out and make some friends or have some hobbies, you are wasting your youth in the pursuit of academics.
Original post by elias294330
Did you get A* in physics and did you do PAT? If not, you say as if PAT is easy. I think 68 which is above the offer holder mean for 13 years old is impressive so don't know where stats coming - unreliable.
This is so obviously made up its quite funny. Do you not get enough attention at home?
And anyways - anyone who gets an A* in A level physics and an average score in pat (remember that the vast majority of applicants have only done AS, so you would be a full year ahead of them academically, so this is woefully under par) - that just means you can learn textbooks back to front.
Congratulations - if you want a medal, you can just ask for it.
Learning textbooks back to front, however, as you might be disappointed and shocked to learn is not how life works. Nor is it how oxford works. If you look at prelims past papers, there is a lot of problem solving.
There is absolutely no respectability in doing the same GCSE in maths 5 times, memorising some markschemes and getting some A level grades, when the bottom line is that this does not translate to success at university.
The physics department at oxford is the best in the country (in my opinion, and in the opinion of many others) and they tend to not make mistakes. They look at academic factors and saw right through it.
If you want justification for your 'low' pat score, this is where you go. There is unfortunately no 6 marker in PAT where you can memorise the markscheme and get a bunch of marks without understanding whats going on.
Congratulations - if you want a medal, you can just ask for it.
Learning textbooks back to front, however, as you might be disappointed and shocked to learn is not how life works. Nor is it how oxford works. If you look at prelims past papers, there is a lot of problem solving.
There is absolutely no respectability in doing the same GCSE in maths 5 times, memorising some markschemes and getting some A level grades, when the bottom line is that this does not translate to success at university.
The physics department at oxford is the best in the country (in my opinion, and in the opinion of many others) and they tend to not make mistakes. They look at academic factors and saw right through it.
If you want justification for your 'low' pat score, this is where you go. There is unfortunately no 6 marker in PAT where you can memorise the markscheme and get a bunch of marks without understanding whats going on.
Original post by stilllearning123
This is so obviously made up its quite funny. Do you not get enough attention at home?
Original post by Harik0
And anyways - anyone who gets an A* in A level physics and an average score in pat (remember that the vast majority of applicants have only done AS, so you would be a full year ahead of them academically, so this is woefully under par) - that just means you can learn textbooks back to front.
Congratulations - if you want a medal, you can just ask for it.
Learning textbooks back to front, however, as you might be disappointed and shocked to learn is not how life works. Nor is it how oxford works. If you look at prelims past papers, there is a lot of problem solving.
There is absolutely no respectability in doing the same GCSE in maths 5 times, memorising some markschemes and getting some A level grades, when the bottom line is that this does not translate to success at university.
The physics department at oxford is the best in the country (in my opinion, and in the opinion of many others) and they tend to not make mistakes. They look at academic factors and saw right through it.
If you want justification for your 'low' pat score, this is where you go. There is unfortunately no 6 marker in PAT where you can memorise the markscheme and get a bunch of marks without understanding whats going on.
Congratulations - if you want a medal, you can just ask for it.
Learning textbooks back to front, however, as you might be disappointed and shocked to learn is not how life works. Nor is it how oxford works. If you look at prelims past papers, there is a lot of problem solving.
There is absolutely no respectability in doing the same GCSE in maths 5 times, memorising some markschemes and getting some A level grades, when the bottom line is that this does not translate to success at university.
The physics department at oxford is the best in the country (in my opinion, and in the opinion of many others) and they tend to not make mistakes. They look at academic factors and saw right through it.
If you want justification for your 'low' pat score, this is where you go. There is unfortunately no 6 marker in PAT where you can memorise the markscheme and get a bunch of marks without understanding whats going on.
I never asked for a medal or "justification for my "low" PAT score"; you had aggressively criticised me first. I guess you don't know your numbers, but the mean was 49 and I am pretty sure most of the applicants who took PAT exams would be doing maths and physics and further maths with high predicted grades like A/A* and I don't understand why you think it's low. Plus, the physics they cover is AS content not A2 so knowing other A2 topics will not give that much of an advantage. Clearly, you don't know anything about A levels or PAT.
Learning the "textbook" is not everything you need to get A* for GCSEs and A levels. I am just saying that I just proved my ability as equal to or higher than other A-level students and that's what Oxford asked for during the call then they did not inform us about the age restriction or safeguarding issue. I don't mind if there is such a rule but the fact that they never outline this rule on the webpage nor through the calls was the part I want to complain about. You guys are worried about my social skills but I still went to secondary school FYI and while going to uni, I can still build social skills.
I just find it funny that you think my achievement is nothing much and you are trying to belittle me who is much younger than you probably.
Original post by elias294330
I never asked for a medal or "justification for my "low" PAT score"; you had aggressively criticised me first. I guess you don't know your numbers, but the mean was 49 and I am pretty sure most of the applicants who took PAT exams would be doing maths and physics and further maths with high predicted grades like A/A* and I don't understand why you think it's low. Plus, the physics they cover is AS content not A2 so knowing other A2 topics will not give that much of an advantage. Clearly, you don't know anything about A levels or PAT.
Learning the "textbook" is not everything you need to get A* for GCSEs and A levels. I am just saying that I just proved my ability as equal to or higher than other A-level students and that's what Oxford asked for during the call then they did not inform us about the age restriction or safeguarding issue. I don't mind if there is such a rule but the fact that they never outline this rule on the webpage nor through the calls was the part I want to complain about. You guys are worried about my social skills but I still went to secondary school FYI and while going to uni, I can still build social skills.
I just find it funny that you think my achievement is nothing much and you are trying to belittle me who is much younger than you probably.
Learning the "textbook" is not everything you need to get A* for GCSEs and A levels. I am just saying that I just proved my ability as equal to or higher than other A-level students and that's what Oxford asked for during the call then they did not inform us about the age restriction or safeguarding issue. I don't mind if there is such a rule but the fact that they never outline this rule on the webpage nor through the calls was the part I want to complain about. You guys are worried about my social skills but I still went to secondary school FYI and while going to uni, I can still build social skills.
I just find it funny that you think my achievement is nothing much and you are trying to belittle me who is much younger than you probably.
you also would find it so hard to make friends at uni if you are 13/14/15 even 16. You really haven’t thought this through.
Original post by elias294330
Here's the proof: newgentutor . com . Go in the page and read the article or watch the video. I was interviewed by BBC news and if you really don't trust me I can show my PAT score proof but it's disappointing to see people assuming or thinking I am lying first/more than simply trying to express my annoyance at the result I got from Oxford despite the grades I got. I know I am young so there is safe guarding issues but my parents called the admission team and they said it's fine to apply and they didn't say any age requirement or number of GCSEs requirement and then they backstab us by saying now it matters... I just feel frustrated that I spent all the time and effort for nothing.
If you were 17/18, it would be the case that while impressive your application is quite likely not remarkable enough to get into oxford. I saw people getting rejected with higher scores than this. I don't see the proof that oxford has taken your age into account, if anything it's the opposite!
Congrats on your PAT score and I wish you success in the future. Perhaps take a few more GCSE's (that aren't just maths!) and further maths a level to improve your chances 🙂 There's no rush
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