Dismissed for gross misconduct
Please advise
I have recently been dismissed for gross misconduct.
When I apply for future jobs I can still provide references to prove employment however I will not mention the role I got dismissed from.
It is not illegal is it? I'm not committing fraud or breaking the law? I'm just not mentioning that I was dismissed for gross misconduct.
I have recently been dismissed for gross misconduct.
When I apply for future jobs I can still provide references to prove employment however I will not mention the role I got dismissed from.
It is not illegal is it? I'm not committing fraud or breaking the law? I'm just not mentioning that I was dismissed for gross misconduct.
Original post by Anonymous
Please advise
I have recently been dismissed for gross misconduct.
When I apply for future jobs I can still provide references to prove employment however I will not mention the role I got dismissed from.
It is not illegal is it? I'm not committing fraud or breaking the law? I'm just not mentioning that I was dismissed for gross misconduct.
I have recently been dismissed for gross misconduct.
When I apply for future jobs I can still provide references to prove employment however I will not mention the role I got dismissed from.
It is not illegal is it? I'm not committing fraud or breaking the law? I'm just not mentioning that I was dismissed for gross misconduct.
Wouldn't this leave a gap in your CV? Employers are going to have questions about this.
Reply 2
Original post by mesub
Wouldn't this leave a gap in your CV? Employers are going to have questions about this.
Luckily I was only employed with them for a few years so I will have to say I was at college or working in a place where they can't provide a reference
Original post by Anonymous
Luckily I was only employed with them for a few years so I will have to say I was at college or working in a place where they can't provide a reference
Years?! If they ask you about this spell in college you’ll presumably have to tell them that you left with… no qualification.
Reply 4
Original post by Admit-One
Years?! If they ask you about this spell in college you’ll presumably have to tell them that you left with… no qualification.
It's the only way to avoid mentioning getting dismissed.
Reply 5
Original post by Admit-One
Years?! If they ask you about this spell in college you’ll presumably have to tell them that you left with… no qualification.
Can people advise please?? What can I say I did for 2.5 years?
Original post by Anonymous
Can people advise please?? What can I say I did for 2.5 years?
Honestly, just put your previous employment. You might not be asked why you left, they might not ask for a ref, or if they do it may only be. ‘bookend’ type which confirms dates and position. You might also able to nominate a supervisor to give a character reference.
You’ll make problems trying to hide it. Especially for a 2.5yr gap.
Original post by Anonymous
Luckily I was only employed with them for a few years so I will have to say I was at college or working in a place where they can't provide a reference
Lying on your CV is illegal in the UK; it's classed as fraud.
Reply 8
Original post by Surnia
Lying on your CV is illegal in the UK; it's classed as fraud.
There's a difference between manipulating an application form to change the outcome then omitting a job from your application
Original post by Anonymous
There's a difference between manipulating an application form to change the outcome then omitting a job from your application
Isn't that the same thing in your case? You don't want to miss out on a job so you'll lie about your employment history?
Reply 10
Original post by Surnia
Isn't that the same thing in your case? You don't want to miss out on a job so you'll lie about your employment history?
It's not lying it's withholding information.... Everything I put on my application form will be true. I just can't mention I've been dismissed from my previous role.
Besides I was dismissed almost a year ago. Since then I did get a basic job so I am building up my references to try and get a semi-professional job again
Reply 11
I say I was recently dismissed but it was almost a year ago.
Whether you tell them you were dismissed or not, you still need to state that you were working for X employer between two periods of time, because you were.
Not doing this is fraud. It's not "manipulating the application form". Honesty is always the best policy - even if the job market is looking tough.
Not doing this is fraud. It's not "manipulating the application form". Honesty is always the best policy - even if the job market is looking tough.
Reply 13
Original post by mesub
Whether you tell them you were dismissed or not, you still need to state that you were working for X employer between two periods of time, because you were.
Not doing this is fraud. It's not "manipulating the application form". Honesty is always the best policy - even if the job market is looking tough.
Not doing this is fraud. It's not "manipulating the application form". Honesty is always the best policy - even if the job market is looking tough.
So I need to mention I was employed by them and mention dates but not mention reason for leaving?
Original post by Anonymous
So I need to mention I was employed by them and mention dates but not mention reason for leaving?
Not unless the application form is specifically asking, no.
Original post by Anonymous
It's not lying it's withholding information.... Everything I put on my application form will be true. I just can't mention I've been dismissed from my previous role.
Besides I was dismissed almost a year ago. Since then I did get a basic job so I am building up my references to try and get a semi-professional job again
Besides I was dismissed almost a year ago. Since then I did get a basic job so I am building up my references to try and get a semi-professional job again
That's called lying by omission.
Would the gross misconduct stop you from applying for certain jobs or are you just concerned about the impact of the dismissal on any type of employment?
Reply 16
I've applied for plenty of roles where they require a checkable work history, ie they're going to contact every reference for every job within say 5 years, with gaps not really being allowed, so the whole 'I just won't list it on my cv or give them as a reference' only gets you so far.
Original post by Surnia
Lying on your CV is illegal in the UK; it's classed as fraud.
Original post by Surnia
Isn't that the same thing in your case? You don't want to miss out on a job so you'll lie about your employment history?
I think nowadays everyone has the Rachel Reeves defence. If it doesn't disqualify you from being Chancellor of the Exchequer, it's not going to be a problem being manager at Superdrug.
Original post by Admit-One
Honestly, just put your previous employment. You might not be asked why you left, they might not ask for a ref, or if they do it may only be. ‘bookend’ type which confirms dates and position. You might also able to nominate a supervisor to give a character reference.
You’ll make problems trying to hide it. Especially for a 2.5yr gap.
You’ll make problems trying to hide it. Especially for a 2.5yr gap.
I agree.
If it was a job you were only at for a few weeks, then you might be able to leave it off. But you are going to have a hard time explaining over 2 years.
You cannot say you were at college etc as you would have nothing (i.e. qualification) to show for it.
There are ways and means of getting round it.
Is there anyone else there who could give you a reference and not mention the dismissal?
If the worst comes to the worst, you might have to mention that you got dismissed, but explain what you learnt from it etc.
Reply 19
Original post by Anonymous
Please advise
I have recently been dismissed for gross misconduct.
When I apply for future jobs I can still provide references to prove employment however I will not mention the role I got dismissed from.
It is not illegal is it? I'm not committing fraud or breaking the law? I'm just not mentioning that I was dismissed for gross misconduct.
I have recently been dismissed for gross misconduct.
When I apply for future jobs I can still provide references to prove employment however I will not mention the role I got dismissed from.
It is not illegal is it? I'm not committing fraud or breaking the law? I'm just not mentioning that I was dismissed for gross misconduct.
If you obtain a job by making a false statement, you are committing the civil wrong of deceit. A contract induced by a fraudulent misrepresentation may be rescinded. You could be dismissed for gross misconduct if you are not truthful about your employment history. Claiming to have been at college when you weren't would be a lie. Not giving an honest answer when if asked about your previous employment would be a lie.
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