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Labour's Housing Policy is inherently lawed

"The government’s housing policy creates an impression of action by tearing up the countryside while, thanks to a perennial fear of upsetting powerful economic interests, failing to address the underlying causes of the problem. The likely result is trashed landscapes, unmet housing need and soaring rents. Had it set out to destroy people’s faith in democracy and hand the next election to the far right, it could scarcely be doing a better job."

Read carefully - Home truths: the only thing Labour is building is a bigger, more dysfunctional housing market | George Monbiot | The Guardian

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by McGinger
"The government’s housing policy creates an impression of action by tearing up the countryside while, thanks to a perennial fear of upsetting powerful economic interests, failing to address the underlying causes of the problem. The likely result is trashed landscapes, unmet housing need and soaring rents. Had it set out to destroy people’s faith in democracy and hand the next election to the far right, it could scarcely be doing a better job."
Read carefully - Home truths: the only thing Labour is building is a bigger, more dysfunctional housing market | George Monbiot | The Guardian

So how can we fight this situation? I mean there're some good solutions listed in there, but it seems hopeless and that it's not going to change, at least for the time being.

Reply 2

Tax AirbNBs and 2nd Homes - and use the cash to build affordable-rent social housing and not 4-bed executive homes.

Reply 3

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by McGinger
"The government’s housing policy creates an impression of action by tearing up the countryside while, thanks to a perennial fear of upsetting powerful economic interests, failing to address the underlying causes of the problem. The likely result is trashed landscapes, unmet housing need and soaring rents. Had it set out to destroy people’s faith in democracy and hand the next election to the far right, it could scarcely be doing a better job."
Read carefully - Home truths: the only thing Labour is building is a bigger, more dysfunctional housing market | George Monbiot | The Guardian


There's a lot wrong with George Monbiot's article, even if I agree with some aspects (such as fixing the council tax system and avoiding unnecessary relaxation in the mortgage rules). But Monbiot misleads and plays down the effect of increasing housing supply does to reduce house prices. Even the studies he cited admit their findings run contradictory to the majority of published studies around housing supply.

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by McGinger
"The government’s housing policy creates an impression of action by tearing up the countryside while, thanks to a perennial fear of upsetting powerful economic interests, failing to address the underlying causes of the problem. The likely result is trashed landscapes, unmet housing need and soaring rents. Had it set out to destroy people’s faith in democracy and hand the next election to the far right, it could scarcely be doing a better job."
Read carefully - Home truths: the only thing Labour is building is a bigger, more dysfunctional housing market | George Monbiot | The Guardian


Labour's new planning reforms aren't going to tear up the countryside (despite what the Tories have been claiming). The Green Belt is an archaic concept which should've been scrapped years ago, but unfortunately Labour's reforms will dance around the edges of the green belt (hence the newly designated grey belt). There is some good stuff in the updated NPPF and in the upcoming Planning and Infrastructure bill, I hear Reeves is going to make a speech about it tomorrow.

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by Jedi BB-8
So how can we fight this situation? I mean there're some good solutions listed in there, but it seems hopeless and that it's not going to change, at least for the time being.


Increase housing supply, aka YIMBYism. You do this by streamlining the planning system and allowing more SME builders to compete and push prices down. This is the only real way. Cities like Tokyo, Paris, Minneapolis, Austin, Auckland etc show that supply-side policies will bring down housing costs quickly.

Rent Controls, anti-gentrification policies and other Populist solutions make the housing crisis worse in the long run.

Reply 6

Go on Zoopla and check the cost of rentals in your area - imagine you were a family with an annual income under 30k and find a 3 or 4 bed house they could afford to rent. Then try this for sales in your area. Especially where there has been a new fancy 'housing development' built that has hiked all local house prices.

Then read this - because this is the impact - ‘Do we want to live in a city without any children?’ the terrifying reality of London’s school closures | The Standard

Reply 7

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by McGinger
Tax AirbNBs and 2nd Homes - and use the cash to build affordable-rent social housing and not 4-bed executive homes.

I agree with you, but I am sceptical that those who are in power and have the influence are willing to address the situation and improve the quality of living standards for the working-class in any meaningful way. In the foreseeable future, the wealth/asset inequality will only get worse and the middle-class will gradually be eroded as well.

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by Jedi BB-8
I agree with you, but I am sceptical that those who are in power and have the influence are willing to address the situation and improve the quality of living standards for the working-class in any meaningful way. In the foreseeable future, the wealth/asset inequality will only get worse and the middle-class will gradually be eroded as well.

Which is presumably why they are going to spend ££ squillions on a runway - something that will have negligible impact on the majority of ordinary beings. Just imagine what that money could do for education, the NHS, social care etc. Shameful.

Reply 9

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by McGinger
Which is presumably why they are going to spend ££ squillions on a runway - something that will have negligible impact on the majority of ordinary beings. Just imagine what that money could do for education, the NHS, social care etc. Shameful.


Well the whole point of spending billions on a runway is because it's an investment. HS2 is an investment, and so was HS1 and the Eurotunnel before it. You spend billions on Heathrow's third Runway now, and the payback over the next 20/30 years would be much bigger than we put in.

Of course, you could make the argument that the third Runway is a bad investment, but that's a different argument altogether.

Reply 10

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by McGinger
Go on Zoopla and check the cost of rentals in your area - imagine you were a family with an annual income under 30k and find a 3 or 4 bed house they could afford to rent. Then try this for sales in your area. Especially where there has been a new fancy 'housing development' built that has hiked all local house prices.
Then read this - because this is the impact - ‘Do we want to live in a city without any children?’ the terrifying reality of London’s school closures | The Standard


Building a new housing development reduces house prices. More supply always presses down on price. Even luxury housing decreases house pricing, (search up vacancy chains). Nimbies know this, and so are militantly opposed to new housing, since it would reduce their property values.

I think the golden rule for housing supply is that a 1% increase in house supply causes a 2% decrease in house prices (with all things including Demand being constant). This equation holds true for affordable and luxury housing.

Reply 11

Building a new housing development reduces house prices.

Not if its a posh area and they are 4-bed executive townhouses.
There is still no low-rent affordable housing for those on low incomes.

Reply 12

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by McGinger
Building a new housing development reduces house prices.
Not if its a posh area and they are 4-bed executive townhouses.
There is still no low-rent affordable housing for those on low incomes.


https://www.london.gov.uk/media/102314/download

Reply 13



This research finds that in general, building new market-rate homes makes other housing
more affordable. It does so by creating chains of vacancies and moves that can reach
across an entire housing market area. These moving chains improve the availability and
affordability of housing throughout the range of prices and rents, including for low-
income households.

1.5 Building market-rate housing therefore indirectly increases the availability of homes
affordable to low-income households, although not as directly as building social housing
and other kinds of affordable housing.

Reply 14

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by Rob Bellic
This research finds that in general, building new market-rate homes makes other housing
more affordable. It does so by creating chains of vacancies and moves that can reach
across an entire housing market area. These moving chains improve the availability and
affordability of housing throughout the range of prices and rents, including for low-
income households.
1.5 Building market-rate housing therefore indirectly increases the availability of homes
affordable to low-income households, although not as directly as building social housing
and other kinds of affordable housing.

London.
And the usual self-affirming local government report.

Reply 15

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by McGinger
London.
And the usual self-affirming local government report.


London is well underperforming compared to their housing targets. If anything they'd want to understate the effect of housing supply on affordability so they can dodge the blame on housing unaffordability.

Reply 16

Your self-balancing 'market forces' argument is not the reality.
House prices: the salary you need to earn to buy a home in every London borough | The Standard
"annual income needed to buy a home in London is now £101,080, given that the average house price in the capital is £535,100, which is 2.4 times or £59,499 higher than most London salaries."

Reply 17

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by McGinger
Your self-balancing 'market forces' argument is not the reality.
House prices: the salary you need to earn to buy a home in every London borough | The Standard
"annual income needed to buy a home in London is now £101,080, given that the average house price in the capital is £535,100, which is 2.4 times or £59,499 higher than most London salaries."


https://personal.lse.ac.uk/hilber/hilber_wp/Hilber_Vermeulen_EJ_forthcoming.pdf

Reply 18



Various studies suggest that the extraordinarily high real house price growth in the UK over the last 40 years and in particular since the mid-1990s may be linked to the British planning system...

...
They find no evidence suggesting a ‘bubble’, instead their results are consistent with lack of house building in conjunction with strong demand growth as a major driver of house price appreciation during their sample period, consistent with the main findings in this paper.

Reply 19


Written in *2014*.
Hardly compelling is it.

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