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Am I likely to get in to do Physics at Oxbridge, Imperial, UCL etc

The reason I say this is I do Physics Chemistry and Maths. I initially took further maths as well at the beginning of the year but because my college's plan is to do the whole of maths in the first year and the whole of FM in the second. It felt way to fast for me initially so I dropped it and chose to stick with 3. At the moment I'm seeing all of these people on places like Reddit doing Physics and top unis but they usually all have 4 a levels, and if not they have 3, Physics Maths and FM. I feel like Cambridge is my only hope for Natsci but is it still possible to get into top unis for just Physics with my limited maths knowledge. I'm also planning to do further maths AS next year. Any advice is appreciated!

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Original post by lucasnch1
The reason I say this is I do Physics Chemistry and Maths. I initially took further maths as well at the beginning of the year but because my college's plan is to do the whole of maths in the first year and the whole of FM in the second. It felt way to fast for me initially so I dropped it and chose to stick with 3. At the moment I'm seeing all of these people on places like Reddit doing Physics and top unis but they usually all have 4 a levels, and if not they have 3, Physics Maths and FM. I feel like Cambridge is my only hope for Natsci but is it still possible to get into top unis for just Physics with my limited maths knowledge. I'm also planning to do further maths AS next year. Any advice is appreciated!


Tbh, I didn't apply to those unis, but strong predicted grades, great entrance exam performance, a good personal statement and strong interview performance will all increase your chances of an offer. However, those last two factors are quite subjective (within reason of course), so it makes it very hard for anyone to say you'll get in to any of those unis. They are very competitive and it's a good thing that you are aiming high, but you may want to start revising for entrance exams and building your personal statement, if you haven't already.

I can’t really answer your question in regards to further maths, but unis tend to be quite clear about entry requirements, they will make it clear if FM is desirable or required. If you can't find it contact them, they should tell you if not having it will affect your chances of an offer. Some other people on here may be able to give you better insight than that hopefully.

Good luck.

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Original post by lucasnch1
The reason I say this is I do Physics Chemistry and Maths. I initially took further maths as well at the beginning of the year but because my college's plan is to do the whole of maths in the first year and the whole of FM in the second. It felt way to fast for me initially so I dropped it and chose to stick with 3. At the moment I'm seeing all of these people on places like Reddit doing Physics and top unis but they usually all have 4 a levels, and if not they have 3, Physics Maths and FM. I feel like Cambridge is my only hope for Natsci but is it still possible to get into top unis for just Physics with my limited maths knowledge. I'm also planning to do further maths AS next year. Any advice is appreciated!


Hi! Imperial Physics student here (in my last year). Most people did do further maths A-Level, but I also know a GOOD number who didn't. Again, lots did 4 A Levels, but it's definitely not going to rule you out if you didn't! I know people who did Maths, Physics, and Psychology and are still going strong 3 years into their degree! A Further Maths AS would be beneficial, but it's not going to be a necessity. University places are never a guarantee; your personal statement and grades will definitely come into it, as well as any entrance tests/interviews you have to take. My best advice is to not worry yourself with what people on the Internet have to say! Most prospective students probably aren't poring over online forums, so don't let yourself be convinced that you're out of luck based on what you see on here! I promise you're in with as good of a chance as anyone else; having the standard 4 A Levels (of Maths, Physics, Further Maths & Chemistry) absolutely does not guarantee someone a place, and not having a fourth subject/Further Maths doesn't rule anyone out either! Sorry this was worded poorly! If you have any other questions, let me know!

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Original post by feminist physics
Hi! Imperial Physics student here (in my last year). Most people did do further maths A-Level, but I also know a GOOD number who didn't. Again, lots did 4 A Levels, but it's definitely not going to rule you out if you didn't! I know people who did Maths, Physics, and Psychology and are still going strong 3 years into their degree! A Further Maths AS would be beneficial, but it's not going to be a necessity. University places are never a guarantee; your personal statement and grades will definitely come into it, as well as any entrance tests/interviews you have to take. My best advice is to not worry yourself with what people on the Internet have to say! Most prospective students probably aren't poring over online forums, so don't let yourself be convinced that you're out of luck based on what you see on here! I promise you're in with as good of a chance as anyone else; having the standard 4 A Levels (of Maths, Physics, Further Maths & Chemistry) absolutely does not guarantee someone a place, and not having a fourth subject/Further Maths doesn't rule anyone out either! Sorry this was worded poorly! If you have any other questions, let me know!


I really appreciate the advice! I actually do have a few questions if you don't mind. If it seems like I'm trying to grill you, I'm not, just curious haha. Firstly what A levels did you yourself choose. Secondly did you always see Physics as a subject you wanted to pursue from the beginning of year 12. And thirdly where else did you apply to other than Imperial and what made you choose it over the rest of your options? Thanks again!

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Original post by lucasnch1
The reason I say this is I do Physics Chemistry and Maths. I initially took further maths as well at the beginning of the year but because my college's plan is to do the whole of maths in the first year and the whole of FM in the second. It felt way to fast for me initially so I dropped it and chose to stick with 3. At the moment I'm seeing all of these people on places like Reddit doing Physics and top unis but they usually all have 4 a levels, and if not they have 3, Physics Maths and FM. I feel like Cambridge is my only hope for Natsci but is it still possible to get into top unis for just Physics with my limited maths knowledge. I'm also planning to do further maths AS next year. Any advice is appreciated!


From what I’ve been told, doing FM is like head student caliber for US and that to be a good physicist, you need to be an even better mathematician (modern day).

Personally, I think you should do FM instead of chemistry in y13, maybe just do chem to AS and try to do the full AL FM, especially for pure physics courses. For natsci or less competitive unis, I reckon it’ll do.

I’m in the same position as you so I’m just sharing what I know. Hope this helps.

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Original post by conorbones
From what I’ve been told, doing FM is like head student caliber for US and that to be a good physicist, you need to be an even better mathematician (modern day).
Personally, I think you should do FM instead of chemistry in y13, maybe just do chem to AS and try to do the full AL FM, especially for pure physics courses. For natsci or less competitive unis, I reckon it’ll do.
I’m in the same position as you so I’m just sharing what I know. Hope this helps.


Thanks, I do think I will be in too deep though to change courses but thanks for the advice.

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Original post by lucasnch1
I really appreciate the advice! I actually do have a few questions if you don't mind. If it seems like I'm trying to grill you, I'm not, just curious haha. Firstly what A levels did you yourself choose. Secondly did you always see Physics as a subject you wanted to pursue from the beginning of year 12. And thirdly where else did you apply to other than Imperial and what made you choose it over the rest of your options? Thanks again!

No worries - I'm more than happy to help (and to over-explain)!

I took Physics, Maths, Chemistry and Further Maths at A-Level, but didn't sit official exams courtesy of COVID.

I knew I wanted to pursue Physics from Year 10 onwards, due to having a great teacher at the time. With the benefit of hindsight, I often wish I'd pursued a more niche option, such as Medical Physics, to increase the time spent on modules that I enjoy more

I also applied to Oxford, UCL, Birmingham and York. Like many Imperial students, I was an Oxbridge reject. Personally, I am incredibly grateful for that, as I am sure it wouldn't have been the right fit for me. It should be noted that some students do firm ICL despite getting an Oxbridge offer - it's truly all a matter of personal preference!

Imperial had been my dream university for almost as long as I knew I wanted to study Physics. Its great academic reputation was the main draw, but I was also heavily influenced by the chance to live in London. It's a pretty polarising choice of uni city for many, but I loved living in a busy area, where you had constant reminders that life exists outside of university! There's never a shortage of things to do to take your mind off work. With that being said, there are obviously disadvantages too! Most affordable accommodation options are 30-50 minutes away from campus, which is especially painful during Freshers! Also, for Imperial specifically, proximity to the big museums made South Kensington hell to traverse during school holidays! The opportunities afforded to you by studying at a prestigious university cannot be understated though

I hope that answered your questions!

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I do have some further points I want to add (because I apparently love to waffle):

I promise Further Maths isn't a necessity to get accepted into good Physics (or Natural Sciences) courses! I know I've said it already, but forums such as the Student Room are breeding grounds for misinformation given by other anxious students (who MOSTLY aren't trying to do harm)! As much as an AS in FM would strengthen your application, I almost recommend it more for how it might help you out at uni. At MANY universities, Further Maths content that might have taken a whole lesson at A-Level is often covered in less than 10 minutes; it's a bit of a relief to have the upper hand when transitioning to that level of study! Don't worry about the A-Levels you're taking either way - you've taken subjects that will absolutely put you in good stead! Just make sure you have examples demonstrating your interest in (and skills for) the subject you're applying to so your personal statement can do the heavy lifting in your application.

More generally with regards to choosing a university: look at the modules on each course you're applying to. I was so hung up on academic reputation that I failed to focus on which degree I was going to enjoy the most! Imperial is great if you're really into theoretical physics (especially the quantum side of things), but has a lot less focus on applied content than other unis. You're going to be spending 3+ years on your degree, so make sure you understand what you're applying for!

FINAL aside: don't be put off by the poor social reputation of institutions such as Imperial. University is truly what you make of it. I can guarantee that wherever you go, you'll find like-minded people who want to do as much (or as little) socialising as you do! Course content and university location are what it's worth focusing on!

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Thanks for all the advice, honestly this is like gold dust to me, I'm trying to take in all the advice I can get at the moment so the waffling is great, I love reading it all. Thanks for all your comments and the reassurance that I still have a chance. One last thing, if I applied for imperial physics then I'd have to do the PAT entrance exam. My question is, would this be a lot harder for me to get a good score in because I don't do further maths. Thanks again!

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Original post by lucasnch1
Thanks for all the advice, honestly this is like gold dust to me, I'm trying to take in all the advice I can get at the moment so the waffling is great, I love reading it all. Thanks for all your comments and the reassurance that I still have a chance. One last thing, if I applied for imperial physics then I'd have to do the PAT entrance exam. My question is, would this be a lot harder for me to get a good score in because I don't do further maths. Thanks again!

I think imperial physics is esat? The maths components are pretty much fundamentals + as maths as the spec says.

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Original post by mqb2766
I think imperial physics is esat? The maths components are pretty much fundamentals + as maths as the spec says.


Oh sorry yes my mistake

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Original post by lucasnch1
Oh sorry yes my mistake

You could have a look at engaa past papers to get a rough idea of the questions.

Reply 12

In that case I have a dilemma because I feel like if I end up applying to Cambridge Natsci course. I choose Physics Maths 1 and Chem. But if I wanted to do physics at imperial I would have to choose Physics Maths 1 and Maths 2. What's the right move here? And also how are would maths 2 be compared to Chem

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Original post by lucasnch1
In that case I have a dilemma because I feel like if I end up applying to Cambridge Natsci course. I choose Physics Maths 1 and Chem. But if I wanted to do physics at imperial I would have to choose Physics Maths 1 and Maths 2. What's the right move here? And also how are would maths 2 be compared to Chem

Off the top of my head, I dont know. The natsci cam page seems to suggest you pick 2 from 4 and those 2 could be physics/maths2, but it would probably be best to contact them to confirm
https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/apply/how/science-engineering-admission-test

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Original post by lucasnch1
In that case I have a dilemma because I feel like if I end up applying to Cambridge Natsci course. I choose Physics Maths 1 and Chem. But if I wanted to do physics at imperial I would have to choose Physics Maths 1 and Maths 2. What's the right move here? And also how are would maths 2 be compared to Chem


It's definitely worth contacting the exam organisers about the conflict (agreed ^) - you definitely wouldn't be the only one in that situation, given that plenty of people apply to both of those courses!! as for the content, I just looked at the spec and the maths in maths 2 all looks like it comes within standard A-Level maths, so nothing to worry about there as long as you make sure you cover anything you won't have done in class by that point. The materials on the website for the ESAT all seem pretty helpful!

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Original post by mqb2766
Off the top of my head, I dont know. The natsci cam page seems to suggest you pick 2 from 4 and those 2 could be physics/maths2, but it would probably be best to contact them to confirm
https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/apply/how/science-engineering-admission-test


Yes but I think they do say pick the ones relating to most to your subjects but not sure if that's just guidance

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Original post by lucasnch1
Yes but I think they do say pick the ones relating to most to your subjects but not sure if that's just guidance

Youre unlikely to be the only student with this "problem" and I guess theyve thought about it beforehand, so best to check/confirm?

Reply 17

Thanks guys will do

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