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Original post by Physician
I saw advertised on ITVx or something like that, that a beautiful young girl, about 18-19 years old, was dating a 55 years old odd fat, ugly lady. Just about the only thing l could see in common between these two was that they had dyed their hair pink and blue.
If l were the parent of that young lady, l would go absolutely mental at that old lady. To prey on a young lady like that. And even worse that it was streamed on TV. What the hell is going on?!!!

is it only shocking when women do it? age gap relationships are way more common between men and women. with men being the older ones.
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Original post by Ciel.
is it only shocking when women do it? age gap relationships are way more common between men and women. with men being the older ones.

The younger lady divorced that old lady, and is now with a man of the same age as the older lady, 66 years old!!!

Julia Zelg is the name of the young lady. She is a social media influencer, pink hair, and she models racy outfits for a living, and lesbian videos.
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Original post by Physician
The younger lady divorced that old lady, and is now with a man of the same age as the older lady, 66 years old!!!
Julia Zelg is the name of the young lady. She is a social media influencer, pink hair, and she models racy outfits for a living, and lesbian videos.

she's weird, lol. but she's not 18, she's in her 30s
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There's a pretty big difference between an 18 year old dating a 66 year old and a 29 year old dating a 66 year old. By 29 they are sufficiently matured to be able to make reasoned decisions about their relationships. Honestly if anyone is being "preyed upon" in such an age gap relationship I'd expect the older person to be being "used" for e.g. money, housing, etc, rather than the other way around.

Not sure why the pearl clutching from the original poster - and given the almost certainly deliberate misrepresentation of the younger person's age, I think this says a lot more about the original poster than it does about this couple. Ultimately though I don't really care what two consenting adults do with each other, which since both are adults and since they did get married they had to consent in a very legal ceremony, they most certainly are in fact two consenting adults.
Original post by Ciel.
she's weird, lol. but she's not 18, she's in her 30s

I have no doubt she did these things as a publicity stunt. And perhaps she had her eyes on inheritance also. And she may be deranged.
Original post by artful_lounger
There's a pretty big difference between an 18 year old dating a 66 year old and a 29 year old dating a 66 year old. By 29 they are sufficiently matured to be able to make reasoned decisions about their relationships. Honestly if anyone is being "preyed upon" in such an age gap relationship I'd expect the older person to be being "used" for e.g. money, housing, etc, rather than the other way around.
Not sure why the pearl clutching from the original poster - and given the almost certainly deliberate misrepresentation of the younger person's age, I think this says a lot more about the original poster than it does about this couple. Ultimately though I don't really care what two consenting adults do with each other, which since both are adults and since they did get married they had to consent in a very legal ceremony, they most certainly are in fact two consenting adults.

Crazy 🤣 🤣 🤣. The young lady is using old people for publicity, and possible inheritance.
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Original post by Ciel.
is it only shocking when women do it? age gap relationships are way more common between men and women. with men being the older ones.

These things should not be shocking to anybody who has more than a basic knowledge of intersexual psychology.

Women are sexually hypergamous and men are sexually opportunistic. This lends itself (especially in a society without a strong moral grounding from the church) to women seeking men more sexually and financially accomplished than them and the men are naturally not going to deprive themselves of this if young women are receptive to their advance.

According to Tinder data, in the privacy of their own mobiles, the average age of women with the most right swipes is 23-25 and the average age of men receiving right swipes is 38-40.

While it's not borne out in marriage data (yet) to the same degree, it does suggest that women are hardly the victims some portray them to be.
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Original post by Rakas21
These things should not be shocking to anybody who has more than a basic knowledge of intersexual psychology.
Women are sexually hypergamous and men are sexually opportunistic. This lends itself (especially in a society without a strong moral grounding from the church) to women seeking men more sexually and financially accomplished than them and the men are naturally not going to deprive themselves of this if young women are receptive to their advance.
According to Tinder data, in the privacy of their own mobiles, the average age of women with the most right swipes is 23-25 and the average age of men receiving right swipes is 38-40.
While it's not borne out in marriage data (yet) to the same degree, it does suggest that women are hardly the victims some portray them to be.

bc most men in that age range are morons, lol
Original post by Rakas21
These things should not be shocking to anybody who has more than a basic knowledge of intersexual psychology.
Women are sexually hypergamous and men are sexually opportunistic. This lends itself (especially in a society without a strong moral grounding from the church) to women seeking men more sexually and financially accomplished than them and the men are naturally not going to deprive themselves of this if young women are receptive to their advance.
According to Tinder data, in the privacy of their own mobiles, the average age of women with the most right swipes is 23-25 and the average age of men receiving right swipes is 38-40.
While it's not borne out in marriage data (yet) to the same degree, it does suggest that women are hardly the victims some portray them to be.

Tinder has so many fake profiles, or profiles of models looking to promote their IG, or beggars on there that any research done with it is bound to be very biased.
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Original post by Ciel.
bc most men in that age range are morons, lol

Sure.

To be clear, I don't think that hypergamy is a bad thing and it's actually quite logical (I'm also a capitalist so I'm hardly opposed to people seeking to extract the most resources they can from a spouse) given the favourable comparison of older to younger men however the societal perception is that because men traditionally approached women that men are predators seeking an innocent, young lamb.

In the modern age of online dating and especially tinder where the woman swipes as well though this is simply not the case and for all the faux blame asserted, women are actively choosing to tango with men seemingly a decade or so older than them.
Original post by Physician
Tinder has so many fake profiles, or profiles of models looking to promote their IG, or beggars on there that any research done with it is bound to be very biased.

Tinder has tens of millions of users which is far larger than any other academic sample. Even if there are a high number of nominal fake profiles, the percentage will be incredibly small.
Original post by Rakas21
Tinder has tens of millions of users which is far larger than any other academic sample. Even if there are a high number of nominal fake profiles, the percentage will be incredibly small.

I wish l could believe that. Whenever l tried it the only people l heard from were phonies or beggars, and l gave it a real good go for 2-3 months a few years ago. Looks wise l am often told l am quite handsome by ladies, so being too ugly had nothing to do with it. This might be anecdotal evidence, but l will never try tinder, or bumble, again. Bumble is barely any better.
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Original post by Rakas21
Sure.
To be clear, I don't think that hypergamy is a bad thing and it's actually quite logical (I'm also a capitalist so I'm hardly opposed to people seeking to extract the most resources they can from a spouse) given the favourable comparison of older to younger men however the societal perception is that because men traditionally approached women that men are predators seeking an innocent, young lamb.
In the modern age of online dating and especially tinder where the woman swipes as well though this is simply not the case and for all the faux blame asserted, women are actively choosing to tango with men seemingly a decade or so older than them.

idk, when i was a 13, 14, 15 year old lamb hanging around in chat rooms, tons of guys in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s sure as hell acted like wolves, despite knowing my age. even in the main chat - where everyone could see. nobody batted an eye. i feel like most men are just inherently more predatory than women, the statistics speak for themselves
Original post by Ciel.
idk, when i was a 13, 14, 15 year old lamb hanging around in chat rooms, tons of guys in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s sure as hell acted like wolves, despite knowing my age. even in the main chat - where everyone could see. nobody batted an eye. i feel like most men are just inherently more predatory than women, the statistics speak for themselves

I’m certainly not saying that men won’t initiate however women have the option to say no. Should they choose not to, it’s somewhat unfair to ascribe significant blame to the man. Everybody has agency and should be held accountable.
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Original post by Rakas21
I’m certainly not saying that men won’t initiate however women have the option to say no. Should they choose not to, it’s somewhat unfair to ascribe significant blame to the man. Everybody has agency and should be held accountable.

true, but i feel like it's partially bc it's been normalized in our society. so many guys are with younger women and it doesn't shock anyone. but when a woman is dating a younger guy, it's still kinda seen as shocking. plus also you often see older guys leave their same-age partners for younger women eventually which might be another factor

of course, sometimes, it's a matter of preference.
Original post by Ciel.
true, but i feel like it's partially bc it's been normalized in our society. so many guys are with younger women and it doesn't shock anyone. but when a woman is dating a younger guy, it's still kinda seen as shocking. plus also you often see older guys leave their same-age partners for younger women eventually which might be another factor
of course, sometimes, it's a matter of preference.

I agree but this is ultimately because hypergamy in females is occurring in a society where men get richer as they get older so a woman seeking a young man is unusual. If we had a war or something that impoverished the middle aged men though, stuff like that would be more common,

The men seeking a younger woman is also logical for multiple reasons. Firstly, women are less desirable as they age, secondly they are not normally fertile beyond 40 so if the man wants more children, he has to persue a younger woman and also as women age they are often less likely to permit a power dynamic in the relationship that favours the man (she may herself be at the peak of her career or simply pick up bad habits).

So I’m not saying it’s a good thing but if a middle aged man has married a careerist woman who only gave him one child but he’s now highly succesful and knows what he wants, that pretty, fertile, submissive younger woman starts to look quite attractive.

We should note that the above is an anomaly though. The data actually shows that women rather than men initiate divorce by about 70/30 and that a majority of divorces are not even caused by cheating. It’s normally the woman declaring herself as unhappy and because she probably never really believed in marriage (most modern women want a wedding, not to be wives), believing that is adequate justification (it’s not) for divorcing a man who’s still fulfilling reasonable marriage expectations like financial provision and remaining loyal.

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Original post by Rakas21
I agree but this is ultimately because hypergamy in females is occurring in a society where men get richer as they get older so a woman seeking a young man is unusual. If we had a war or something that impoverished the middle aged men though, stuff like that would be more common,
The men seeking a younger woman is also logical for multiple reasons. Firstly, women are less desirable as they age, secondly they are not normally fertile beyond 40 so if the man wants more children, he has to persue a younger woman and also as women age they are often less likely to permit a power dynamic in the relationship that favours the man (she may herself be at the peak of her career or simply pick up bad habits).
So I’m not saying it’s a good thing but if a middle aged man has married a careerist woman who only gave him one child but he’s now highly succesful and knows what he wants, that pretty, fertile, submissive younger woman starts to look quite attractive.

We should note that the above is an anomaly though. The data actually shows that women rather than men initiate divorce by about 70/30 and that a majority of divorces are not even caused by cheating. It’s normally the woman declaring herself as unhappy and because she probably never really believed in marriage (most modern women want a wedding, not to be wives), believing that is adequate justification (it’s not) for divorcing a man who’s still fulfilling reasonable marriage expectations like financial provision and remaining loyal.


men are less desirable as they age, too. the only reason you see so many rich guy with young women is their money, lol.

i don't blame them, most men seriously aren't suited for marriage. they are emotionally absent or just plain abusive. mine ******* ruined our family. that ******* is still alive only thanks to my mother, bc my temper just couldn't cope with him at one point.
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Original post by Ciel.
men are less desirable as they age, too. the only reason you see so many rich guy with young women is their money, lol.
i don't blame them, most men seriously aren't suited for marriage. they are emotionally absent or just plain abusive. mine ******* ruined our family. that ******* is still alive only thanks to my mother, bc my temper just couldn't cope with him at one point.

Yes but that’s the point Ceil.

Men and women select a mate for different reasons.

For men the most significant factor in mate selection is simply ‘are you sexually attractive’, male personality selection is woefully low and they will marry a horrid woman if he thinks she won’t cheat and can give him children.

For women, hypergamy is sufficiently ingrained in their psychology that actually more successful women continually report dissatisfaction with the men available to them (women rarely date down socioeconomically) because women ascribe a fair part of mate selection to their ability to provide (even when feminists). Most men will happily have a housewife, in the reverse situation, it’s a substantial indicator of divorce when a wife earns more than a husband.

That is say that term attractive is more of an aggregate for a woman vs almost singular for a man. This is why studies of intersexual selection have essentially found that while women consider men most physically attractive in their late twenties, they consider men most attractive as a whole in their late 30’s with a very slow decline in the 40’s relative to women in their thirties. So yes, money makes a difference but women can genuinely convince themselves that is a sexually attractive trait.

Personality standards for both genders are incredibly low. I tend to think it’s the result of the collapse of the church leading to far lower moral standards.
Original post by Rakas21
Yes but that’s the point Ceil.
Men and women select a mate for different reasons.
For men the most significant factor in mate selection is simply ‘are you sexually attractive’, male personality selection is woefully low and they will marry a horrid woman if he thinks she won’t cheat and can give him children.
For women, hypergamy is sufficiently ingrained in their psychology that actually more successful women continually report dissatisfaction with the men available to them (women rarely date down socioeconomically) because women ascribe a fair part of mate selection to their ability to provide (even when feminists). Most men will happily have a housewife, in the reverse situation, it’s a substantial indicator of divorce when a wife earns more than a husband.
That is say that term attractive is more of an aggregate for a woman vs almost singular for a man. This is why studies of intersexual selection have essentially found that while women consider men most physically attractive in their late twenties, they consider men most attractive as a whole in their late 30’s with a very slow decline in the 40’s relative to women in their thirties. So yes, money makes a difference but women can genuinely convince themselves that is a sexually attractive trait.
Personality standards for both genders are incredibly low. I tend to think it’s the result of the collapse of the church leading to far lower moral standards.

Women may look at more traits that just physical looks, height etc. But they very, very rarely marry an ugly just because he is very rich. And even if they did marry someone like that, it would end in a divorce after a few years.
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Original post by Rakas21
Yes but that’s the point Ceil.
Men and women select a mate for different reasons.
For men the most significant factor in mate selection is simply ‘are you sexually attractive’, male personality selection is woefully low and they will marry a horrid woman if he thinks she won’t cheat and can give him children.
For women, hypergamy is sufficiently ingrained in their psychology that actually more successful women continually report dissatisfaction with the men available to them (women rarely date down socioeconomically) because women ascribe a fair part of mate selection to their ability to provide (even when feminists). Most men will happily have a housewife, in the reverse situation, it’s a substantial indicator of divorce when a wife earns more than a husband.
That is say that term attractive is more of an aggregate for a woman vs almost singular for a man. This is why studies of intersexual selection have essentially found that while women consider men most physically attractive in their late twenties, they consider men most attractive as a whole in their late 30’s with a very slow decline in the 40’s relative to women in their thirties. So yes, money makes a difference but women can genuinely convince themselves that is a sexually attractive trait.
Personality standards for both genders are incredibly low. I tend to think it’s the result of the collapse of the church leading to far lower moral standards.

i don't think it's just women. i chose mine partially because of his ability to provide too. lol.

have you ever actually met a catholic family? because trust me, the morals are all for show. they are just as rotten as everyone else. the only difference is a lot of them are against abortion and gay rights. that's the extent of their morals. but stuff like cheating, lying, abuse - it's all the same. and the church itself is the most rotten institution of them all. they're full of pedos. and corruption.

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