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St. John's College, Oxford should be the most popular?

Since St. John's College, Oxford, has not one, but two on-site gyms, a dedicated Law library for Law students, the cheapest food and drink, a high-quality food and drinks café, and 3 or 4 years of accommodation at the college. So, why does it not attract the most applicants? Moreover, they have a massive new study centre/library completed in 2019 and also give £400 book grants every term?!

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Reply 1

You are perhaps unaware that every college in Oxford has a library, that several have cafes in addition to Halls, that several provide accommodation for all years of the undergraduate degree, and that several provide book grants of varying sizes.

It's not a good idea to fixate on any one college in Oxford, or on Oxford in general. Each applicant to Oxford is, on the numbers, more likely to be rejected than to be offered a place, and about one in four offers is made by a college to which the recipient of the offer did not apply.

Reply 2

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by Stiffy Byng
You are perhaps unaware that every college in Oxford has a library, that several have cafes in addition to Halls, that several provide accommodation for all years of the undergraduate degree, and that several provide book grants of varying sizes.
It's not a good idea to fixate on any one college in Oxford, or on Oxford in general. Each applicant to Oxford is, on the numbers, more likely to be rejected than to be offered a place, and about one in four offers is made by a college to which the recipient of the offer did not apply.
I know right, there are 10 applicants per place for the 8 places for Law at St. John's College, Oxford but I would be happy with LSE or UCL too, since some barristers' on chambers websites have graduated from there. More importantly, the cheapest costs, £400 book grant per term and a massive study centre/library are why I will apply to St. John's College, Oxford. Now I just need to work on my French and Spanish grammar. 🙂 lol Because Maths and Further Maths are likely to be A*A* just need AA in French and Spanish or if I select a good Individual Research Project for French and Spanish it could be A*A*A*A*. 😉 I would live in the gym and library if given a place and pose in the prospectus. However, Wadham College, Oxford is the college that actively encourages applicants from East London and Essex. 😧

Reply 3

People take a fancy to colleges for all sorts of reasons. For some people it will be the lake at Worcester or the gardens at LMH, or the fact they got to see the college tortoise at Univ. Or maybe they really liked the student giving the tour on the open day at Hilda’s or someone from their school went to Oriel last year and is having a great time. Some people focus pragmatic things like accommodation costs and library opening hours, others go on the basis of their gut feel. There isn’t a right or wrong reason to feel a preference for a particular college. St John’s has never particularly floated my boat but other people love it.

It would be a right pain if everyone applied to the same college as it would just mean almost everyone would have to be reallocated.
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by xyz1234567
It would be a right pain if everyone applied to the same college as it would just mean almost everyone would have to be reallocated.

This is I gather the issue at Durham, where like 80% of applicants put Castle (University College) as their first choice and have to all be reallocated!

Reply 5

Yes - except that the Oxford colleges are the admitting bodies (whereas at Durham you are given an offer or not by the uni and they don’t care what college you put down) so the reallocation or second interview process is a lot more significant as if people aren’t evened out in the right way then they wont get a fair chance at getting in.

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New the library and study centre may well be, but it is also ferociously ugly. That these eyesores cropping up all over the historic gem of a city are allowed beggars belief. Only in UK…

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by Anonymous
New the library and study centre may well be, but it is also ferociously ugly. That these eyesores cropping up all over the historic gem of a city are allowed beggars belief. Only in UK…
It is modern, what do you expect? 😧 lol It is amazingly beautiful inside but the outside is not as pleasing to the eye, I agree with you. Also, don't forget every undergraduate and postgraduate student at St. John's College, Oxford is eligible for £400 x 3 i.e. £1,200 per year in book grants. 🙂 They also have one of the 'finest' Law libraries for their Law students.






Reply 8

I think that Queen's College may have the most beautiful college library in Oxford. The Upper Reading Room of the Radcliffe Camera is, I think, the most beautiful of the university's libraries, but the Taylorian is also lovely. In Oxford, you are never short of beautiful book-filled rooms to work in.

Reply 9

I’m also a fan of the Longwall library at Magdalen, which has a modern structure inside the neoGothic exterior, creating several levels of reading space. The most characterful place to work is on the top floor where you are right under the beams.

But for serious old world character you can’t beat Duke Humphrey’s reading room in the Bodleian.

Reply 10

All Souls Library is the best place for a snooze.

Reply 11

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by thegeek888
Since St. John's College, Oxford has the cheapest food and drink, it's own cafe and 3 or 4 years of accommodation at the college. So, why does it not attract the most applicants? Moreover, they have a massive new study centre/library completed in 2019 and also give £400 book grants every term?!
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It does get the most applicants, or maybe the 2nd or 3rd most. Over 1000 people apply every year

Reply 12

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by bumba123
It does get the most applicants, or maybe the 2nd or 3rd most. Over 1000 people apply every year
Yes, you're right. Because I was told by the admissions officer that 80 to 100 are Law applicants each year!!! So, competition is 'fierce' for Law places at St. John's College, Oxford.

Reply 13

It is worth reiterating that college choice is not as important at Oxford as it might be at Cambridge. In the 2024/25 admissions round, over 40% of those who obtained offers to study law at Oxford received their offer from a college to which they had not applied. Each college at Oxford has the same admission requirements and each makes the same offer (AAA or equivalent).

Reply 14

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by thegeek888
Yes, you're right. Because I was told by the admissions officer that 80 to 100 are Law applicants each year!!! So, competition is 'fierce' for Law places at St. John's College, Oxford.

All these data are online. Not sure why Law was singled out; medicine, maths and PPE get more applicants at John’s. In any case Oxford has effective mechanisms for mitigating large numbers of applicants to ensure fairness.

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by Stiffy Byng
It is worth reiterating that college choice is not as important at Oxford as it might be at Cambridge. In the 2024/25 admissions round, over 40% of those who obtained offers to study law at Oxford received their offer from a college to which they had not applied. Each college at Oxford has the same admission requirements and each makes the same offer (AAA or equivalent).

Yes I think the pooling system seems to work better at Oxford

Reply 16

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by xyz1234567
People take a fancy to colleges for all sorts of reasons. For some people it will be the lake at Worcester or the gardens at LMH, or the fact they got to see the college tortoise at Univ. Or maybe they really liked the student giving the tour on the open day at Hilda’s or someone from their school went to Oriel last year and is having a great time. Some people focus pragmatic things like accommodation costs and library opening hours, others go on the basis of their gut feel. There isn’t a right or wrong reason to feel a preference for a particular college. St John’s has never particularly floated my boat but other people love it.
It would be a right pain if everyone applied to the same college as it would just mean almost everyone would have to be reallocated.


For real 😭. My friend applied to fitzwilliam Cambridge for the garden patch they have 😭😭

Reply 17

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by Stiffy Byng
I think that Queen's College may have the most beautiful college library in Oxford. The Upper Reading Room of the Radcliffe Camera is, I think, the most beautiful of the university's libraries, but the Taylorian is also lovely. In Oxford, you are never short of beautiful book-filled rooms to work in.

Noooo Lincoln college library looks the best from the pictures I've seen

Reply 18

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by kingsleyartha
Noooo Lincoln college library looks the best from the pictures I've seen
Surely it is the modern St. John's College Library with over 200 study spaces? 🙂



Reply 19

The discussion related to aesthetics. The libraries of Queen's and Lincoln are beautiful spaces. There is more to life than numbers.

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