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Law w/ French Law - am I cooked........

i'm a home contextual student rejected from ox post-int and my lnat is 25/42 😿
got leeds and birmingham and waiting on qmul and kcl, should i just start preparing my 2026 application already 😭🙏
please help i am losing hope more and more by the day
my stats are 988877666 A*A*A* + A* EPQ predicteds
what do i do im crashing out

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Reply 1

Original post by jazzs.21
i'm a home contextual student rejected from ox post-int and my lnat is 25/42 😿
got leeds and birmingham and waiting on qmul and kcl, should i just start preparing my 2026 application already 😭🙏
please help i am losing hope more and more by the day
my stats are 988877666 A*A*A* + A* EPQ predicteds
what do i do im crashing out

I am not sure why you are crashing out. You have offers from Leeds and Birmingham and waiting for Queen Mary and King’s.

Your post is a little odd. You were rejected from Oxford like most applicants, so not sure what’s the problem.

Reply 2

Original post by Wired_1800
I am not sure why you are crashing out. You have offers from Leeds and Birmingham and waiting for Queen Mary and King’s.
Your post is a little odd. You were rejected from Oxford like most applicants, so not sure what’s the problem.

hi! sorry if the post came off a bit odd, i think i have just spent a bit too much time on these forums and the pressure has gotten to me a bit.
in terms of my courses, kcl and qmul offer the ideal qualifications bc i would get 2 years uk and 2 years france for 2 qualifications, whereas leeds and birmingham dont provide that and i am not keen on those courses.
after receiving my lnat score i was just a bit worried as it is lower than the cutoff for kcl and ideally that was where id like to go, and despite the majority of people facing oxford rejections that doesnt make it any less disappointing for those who worked hard to apply.

Reply 3

Original post by jazzs.21
hi! sorry if the post came off a bit odd, i think i have just spent a bit too much time on these forums and the pressure has gotten to me a bit.
in terms of my courses, kcl and qmul offer the ideal qualifications bc i would get 2 years uk and 2 years france for 2 qualifications, whereas leeds and birmingham dont provide that and i am not keen on those courses.
after receiving my lnat score i was just a bit worried as it is lower than the cutoff for kcl and ideally that was where id like to go, and despite the majority of people facing oxford rejections that doesnt make it any less disappointing for those who worked hard to apply.

Hello. This post is completely different to your earlier one.

If your LNAT is low, it would make more sense to be realistic and consider Leeds and Birms (not sure why you applied to them if you were not keen on them). If you get Kings or Queen Mary then great. At the moment, you have to be measured and not overthink things as your score is just not competitive enough

Finally, it is fine to be sad about Oxford but the chances are really low, so best to move on.

Good luck

Reply 4

Original post by Wired_1800
Hello. This post is completely different to your earlier one.
If your LNAT is low, it would make more sense to be realistic and consider Leeds and Birms (not sure why you applied to them if you were not keen on them). If you get Kings or Queen Mary then great. At the moment, you have to be measured and not overthink things as your score is just not competitive enough
Finally, it is fine to be sad about Oxford but the chances are really low, so best to move on.
Good luck

hi, how is my post different exactly?
i am just providing more context on things you’ve said, i applied to leeds and birmingham because they are some of the only ones in the UK that offer law w/ french law and they seemed more appealing to me than the other few, but i was mainly holding out for oxford kcl and qmul because i believe id have better future prospects with their qualifications and i prefer what their courses offer
i was also wondering if you are/were an applicant to law or french law, as i appreciate your responses though i intended to reach out to other applicants because i saw various other posts of students in similar situations discussing with each other, and i wanted to talk to other french law applicants if they were in the same situation as me
thanks! ☺️

Reply 5

Original post by jazzs.21
hi, how is my post different exactly?
i am just providing more context on things you’ve said, i applied to leeds and birmingham because they are some of the only ones in the UK that offer law w/ french law and they seemed more appealing to me than the other few, but i was mainly holding out for oxford kcl and qmul because i believe id have better future prospects with their qualifications and i prefer what their courses offer
i was also wondering if you are/were an applicant to law or french law, as i appreciate your responses though i intended to reach out to other applicants because i saw various other posts of students in similar situations discussing with each other, and i wanted to talk to other french law applicants if they were in the same situation as me
thanks! ☺️

Hello.

Thanks for the explanation. I am not a law applicant but my background is in STEM.

Good luck

Reply 6

Original post by jazzs.21
i'm a home contextual student rejected from ox post-int and my lnat is 25/42 😿
got leeds and birmingham and waiting on qmul and kcl, should i just start preparing my 2026 application already 😭🙏
please help i am losing hope more and more by the day
my stats are 988877666 A*A*A* + A* EPQ predicteds
what do i do im crashing out

Hey!! I literally feel the same, i am contextual with A*A*A and 99998777776 -- i have offers from non lnat unis but im really set on Kcl for law with french law - however i messed up my lnat and got 21/42 💀😟 i may have to do a gap year now tbh because ive heard loads of people say they have a cut off LNAT score of like 28 or 30 so idk if theyre even gonna consider me - the fact they give offers for it so late too is making me go insane. (Also idk why that stem person replied to u like that haha your post isnt odd im in the same boat xx)

Reply 7

Original post by Louisebyerdss
Hey!! I literally feel the same, i am contextual with A*A*A and 99998777776 -- i have offers from non lnat unis but im really set on Kcl for law with french law - however i messed up my lnat and got 21/42 💀😟 i may have to do a gap year now tbh because ive heard loads of people say they have a cut off LNAT score of like 28 or 30 so idk if theyre even gonna consider me - the fact they give offers for it so late too is making me go insane. (Also idk why that stem person replied to u like that haha your post isnt odd im in the same boat xx)

omg thank you so much for replying 😭 it’s so good to know i’m not the only one i’ve been mapping out a game plan of what i am going to do if kcl and qmul fall through because im really betting on them rn, it’s just so nerve wracking having to wait and see how this test tips the whole application
and everyone talking abt the cutoffs omg i genuinely don’t even know what to think bc i know generally my score isn’t up to their alleged standards but also would we not have been rejected already if it was that bad? then again its kcl so we rlly can’t know its so stressful though omg good luck to both of us pls lmk how it goes for u its nice to have someone in the same boat ⛴️

Reply 8

Original post by jazzs.21
omg thank you so much for replying 😭 it’s so good to know i’m not the only one i’ve been mapping out a game plan of what i am going to do if kcl and qmul fall through because im really betting on them rn, it’s just so nerve wracking having to wait and see how this test tips the whole application
and everyone talking abt the cutoffs omg i genuinely don’t even know what to think bc i know generally my score isn’t up to their alleged standards but also would we not have been rejected already if it was that bad? then again its kcl so we rlly can’t know its so stressful though omg good luck to both of us pls lmk how it goes for u its nice to have someone in the same boat ⛴️

literally so glad i found someone to talk to about it ! i think for the french law and english course results for Kcl it is all in one day end of march ish i think - its really annoying and stressing me out like i just wanna know bc otherwise im gonna need to start planning a gap year 😃, the cut off thing scares me sm but i think its best not to think about it because sometimes theres outliers and they probably make exceptions if the rest is really good hopefully! so id say you still have a good chance because youve got really really good grades and 25/42 is still above average! i think qmul is a lot more competitive tho but they might give more weight to the essay? I guess you cant really know but youve done your best, and worst case you can always reapply and go travelling and build more law experience for a year! - But i think i saw on ucas that for kings 1/5 students get in?? im just also nervous cos they take so many international so i have no idea where i stand (also i get what u mean about the other unis - ive applied to durham for straight law and leicester and exeter for the double course but paris and london is such a good oppertunity i dont really wanna go anywhere else) - but anyway youll end up where you need to be! - keep me updated and best of luck xx
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Reply 9

Original post by Louisebyerdss
literally so glad i found someone to talk to about it ! i think for the french law and english course results for Kcl it is all in one day end of march ish i think - its really annoying and stressing me out like i just wanna know bc otherwise im gonna need to start planning a gap year 😃, the cut off thing scares me sm but i think its best not to think about it because sometimes theres outliers and they probably make exceptions if the rest is really good hopefully! so id say you still have a good chance because youve got really really good grades and 25/42 is still above average! i think qmul is a lot more competitive tho but they might give more weight to the essay? I guess you cant really know but youve done your best, and worst case you can always reapply and go travelling and build more law experience for a year! - But i think i saw on ucas that for kings 1/5 students get in?? im just also nervous cos they take so many international so i have no idea where i stand (also i get what u mean about the other unis - ive applied to durham for straight law and leicester and exeter for the double course but paris and london is such a good oppertunity i dont really wanna go anywhere else) - but anyway youll end up where you need to be! - keep me updated and best of luck xx

yeah the way they make us wait so long is so stressful omg, i just need to know so i can start planning too LOL
honestly we cant know until we get our results,it is lowkey disheartening seeing so many international students getting loads of offers in but youre right in that things will pan out how theyre supposed to!
and yeah it feels sometimes like im being ungrateful for wanting to go to a london uni and not really appreciating my other offers, but i do i just have different standards and expectations for myself that i wanna meet
we can do this! keep in touch 😆🙏

Reply 10

hi, I applied for the same course and have a Brum and Warwick offer rn, but I'm also set on UCL and KCL! i just generally prefer their law w/ french courses, and I'm also freaking out a little bit lol, especially because I still haven't gotten a UCL interview and it feels a little late...
Fingers crossed we get the King's offer though!! I keep haunting these forums, the stress is really getting to me

Reply 11

Original post by sjdbdinfofofn
hi, I applied for the same course and have a Brum and Warwick offer rn, but I'm also set on UCL and KCL! i just generally prefer their law w/ french courses, and I'm also freaking out a little bit lol, especially because I still haven't gotten a UCL interview and it feels a little late...
Fingers crossed we get the King's offer though!! I keep haunting these forums, the stress is really getting to me

no same - the suspense is killing me- especially bc i got low lnat i dont even knw if i should feel hope haha, - i dont know how strict kcl are and what they prioritise in their decisions too , i think they take loads of french people for this course - idk how many english people apply so i dont know if i still stand a chance ... but anyway dont worry even if you dont get in, warwick is amazing! and if youre really set on london do a gap year - but youll be wherever youre meant to be! i just wish they didnt reply so late cos its stressing me outttt - like just accept us please 🙏🙏
(edited 2 months ago)

Reply 12

Original post by Louisebyerdss
no same - the suspense is killing me- especially bc i got low lnat i dont even knw if i should feel hope haha, - i dont know how strict kcl are and what they prioritise in their decisions too , i think they take loads of french people for this course - idk how many english people apply so i dont know if i still stand a chance ... but anyway dont worry even if you dont get in, warwick is amazing! and if youre really set on london do a gap year - but youll be wherever youre meant to be! i just wish they didnt reply so late cos its stressing me outttt - like just accept us please 🙏🙏

funnily enough I actually prefer Birmingham for this course! ik they're ranked lower but the course looks amazing, it's a more diverse student body and they do a year in quebec which is SO cool. obviously i like london more but if i had to pick another it'd probably be Birmingham. what about you - have you got an offer you'll take if you don't get london?
idk if you've just applied for kcl or another london one but dude, i applied for ucl and they do an interview to assess language proficiency and stuff and i haven't even gotten an interview yet

Reply 13

Original post by jazzs.21
hi! sorry if the post came off a bit odd, i think i have just spent a bit too much time on these forums and the pressure has gotten to me a bit.
in terms of my courses, kcl and qmul offer the ideal qualifications bc i would get 2 years uk and 2 years france for 2 qualifications, whereas leeds and birmingham dont provide that and i am not keen on those courses.
after receiving my lnat score i was just a bit worried as it is lower than the cutoff for kcl and ideally that was where id like to go, and despite the majority of people facing oxford rejections that doesnt make it any less disappointing for those who worked hard to apply.

Just out of interest what qualification would you get in France ? Two years isn’t the equivalent of a license “which takes 3, but if they add it to your 2 years of UK law ( which is completely different and of little use in France), would give you a masters 1 which only allows you to work as an assistant in a law firm. To do any more you would have to pass the CRFPA which, although possible after an M1 is normally attempted after an M2 and normally requires a “prepa” which is a year of further teaching. Once you get through the CRFPA, a competitive exam with x applicants allowed through even if you get 90%, there is then another 2 years equivalent to articles / pupillage with 6 months at bar school.
Going to study in France would be a great experience and allow you to radically improve your language skills but it won’t open up the French legal profession to you
(edited 2 months ago)

Reply 14

Original post by Euapp
Just out of interest what qualification would you get in France ? Two years isn’t the equivalent of a license “which takes 3, but if they add it to your 2 years of UK law ( which is completely different and of little use in France), would give you a masters 1 which only allows you to work as an assistant in a law firm. To do any more you would have to pass the CRFPA which, although possible after an M1 is normally attempted after an M2 and normally requires a “prepa” which is a year of further teaching. Once you get through the CRFPA, a competitive exam with x applicants allowed through even if you get 90%, there is then another 2 years equivalent to articles / pupillage with 6 months at bar school.
Going to study in France would be a great experience and allow you to radically improve your language skills but it won’t open up the French legal profession to you

Hi, the KCL English & French Law program does award a licence en droit not just an M1. The structure of the degree allows students to complete the French undergraduate law qualification at a partner university, meaning it's fully recognised for progression to an M1 like any other French law student. The program isn’t just about qualifying to practice in France however—it provides expertise in both civil and common law, which is highly valued in international law - which is what i want to do. While further steps are needed for qualification in any legal system, this degree offers a strong foundation for careers that involve cross-border legal work . especially because so many people just do straight law this might give you a competitive edge - but it depends what you want to go into, while the qualification route takes time (as it does in any jurisdiction, even if you still do straight law in England the sqe or bar, just as in France, I would need to pursue an m1 possibly m2 then the crfpa.), the purpose of this program set you up for dual-jurisdiction oppertunities, which a law degree and separate master’s wouldn’t necessarily do. Hope this helps!
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Reply 15

Original post by sjdbdinfofofn
funnily enough I actually prefer Birmingham for this course! ik they're ranked lower but the course looks amazing, it's a more diverse student body and they do a year in quebec which is SO cool. obviously i like london more but if i had to pick another it'd probably be Birmingham. what about you - have you got an offer you'll take if you don't get london?
idk if you've just applied for kcl or another london one but dude, i applied for ucl and they do an interview to assess language proficiency and stuff and i haven't even gotten an interview yet

Birmingham is just as amazing too! i didnt realise they did a double degree too - a year in quebec sounds amazing!! Even if theyre ranked lower, the course in itself is so specific that you cant really compare it as it will open up lots of great oppertunities for you that other places cant! I got into the double degree in exeter however i dont really want to go to Rennes and also durham for straight law which i dont particularly want to go to, i also got leicester but i think id rather do a gap year, I know double degree courses out there are just as good but im so set on kcl because of how its london/paris - would be so good for networking and so i would probably do a gap year if they dont take me - and spend more than a week revising for the LNAT 😝 Also maybe ucl offer interviews later because they have to wait for all the french people to apply (french unis deadlines are in march however im not sure if they have to submit by ucas deadline too) have you looked up what time people usually get them? best of luck !!

Reply 16

Original post by Louisebyerdss
Hi, for me personally it is a really good course because I want to go into international humanitarian law, I dont want to go directly into the french legal profession - The kcl program isn’t solely about qualifying to practice in France but it’s designed to give you a deep understanding of two major legal systems: civil and common law. This comparative knowledge is highly prised in international law firms, multinational corporations, and public institutions. Especially because so many people just do straight law this might give you a competitive edge - but it depends what you want to go into really, but while the qualification route takes time (as it does in any jurisdiction, even if you still do straight law in England the sqe or bar, just as in France, I would need to pursue an m1 possibly m2 then the crfpa.), this degree is a really good foundation, instead of just doing law then a masters you get a llb and you do actually get a licence en droit -- the purpose of this program set you up for dual-jurisdiction oppertunities, which a law degree and separate master’s wouldn’t necessarily do. Hope this helps!

You seem to have thought it through and your points are valid. I just wanted to make sure that you were aware of the limits in respect of your French qualification. I’m a dual national British / French citizen with a husband and daughter practicing law in France and a son who did, amongst other things a licence in law, so know the system inside out. If you have any questions feel free to ask.

Reply 17

Thank you! im british/ french national citizen too so have always been curious about common and civil law, however didnt want to be limited to just france or England which is why this course is amazing! It just depends on what you want to do. Whereabouts did your children study in france, and how did they find it? I know the french uni system is quite different so it would be interesting to know their experience!

Reply 18

Original post by Louisebyerdss
Thank you! im british/ french national citizen too so have always been curious about common and civil law, however didnt want to be limited to just france or England which is why this course is amazing! It just depends on what you want to do. Whereabouts did your children study in france, and how did they find it? I know the french uni system is quite different so it would be interesting to know their experience!

My husband studied in Aix which he loved as it’s about as close as you get to the UK uni experience in France. My daughter applied to Assas, Lyon and Nice because we live on the med but Assas is what it is and she wanted to see if she measured up. She was accepted everywhere, but given the cost of Paris decided to stay home.
What I would say about studying law in France is that although you will do an awful lot of practical cases and commentaries on judgements, the structure of work is very rigid with little room for free expression in as much as it has to be x paragraphs long with Y sub paragraphs. One too few or too many and you are sunk.
Many students live at home because there are no student loans to pay for accommodation and only the very modest get grants to cover some of their costs so things like societies don’t exist. There will be a student union that might organise one event per term but is more of a political body defending student rights rather than a body trying to enhance the university experience as a whole. Because of this your friends tend to be those studying the same subject and options that you do, and this is exacerbated because the faculties are very separate with law and social sciences being completely separate to science and arts subjects, and more often than not on completely different campuses. Uni in France is an extension of school and the notion of personal development outside of your course is not something taken into account. Students are ranked so that they know their place in the cohort and a fair bit of back stabbing goes on because the passage from licences to masters is essential if you want a career in Law,but places are rationed.
I have made things sound very negative but they aren’t , it’s just very different to the UK.( I studied in the UK a long time ago and I also have a YP studying vet med in the UK now) and I think students considering France should be aware of these differences so don’t make the move anticipating a British system on the other side of the channel, because it just isn’t.

Reply 19

Original post by Euapp
My husband studied in Aix which he loved as it’s about as close as you get to the UK uni experience in France. My daughter applied to Assas, Lyon and Nice because we live on the med but Assas is what it is and she wanted to see if she measured up. She was accepted everywhere, but given the cost of Paris decided to stay home.
What I would say about studying law in France is that although you will do an awful lot of practical cases and commentaries on judgements, the structure of work is very rigid with little room for free expression in as much as it has to be x paragraphs long with Y sub paragraphs. One too few or too many and you are sunk.
Many students live at home because there are no student loans to pay for accommodation and only the very modest get grants to cover some of their costs so things like societies don’t exist. There will be a student union that might organise one event per term but is more of a political body defending student rights rather than a body trying to enhance the university experience as a whole. Because of this your friends tend to be those studying the same subject and options that you do, and this is exacerbated because the faculties are very separate with law and social sciences being completely separate to science and arts subjects, and more often than not on completely different campuses. Uni in France is an extension of school and the notion of personal development outside of your course is not something taken into account. Students are ranked so that they know their place in the cohort and a fair bit of back stabbing goes on because the passage from licences to masters is essential if you want a career in Law,but places are rationed.
I have made things sound very negative but they aren’t , it’s just very different to the UK.( I studied in the UK a long time ago and I also have a YP studying vet med in the UK now) and I think students considering France should be aware of these differences so don’t make the move anticipating a British system on the other side of the channel, because it just isn’t.

Thank you so much, this insight was really helpful because i was considering applying for straight law at a french university but after realising how different it is, I think a double degree would be better suited as at least you already have friends moving to paris with you - (possibly apartment sharing because theres no accomodation - making it cheaper) Paris is definitely so expensive to live in without a student loan, so i completely understand your daughters choice however english uni fees at around £10,000 not including living fees came out to be more expensive in the long term. My cousin went to Aix too and she loved it there too, its such a beautiful place so I did consider university there too, however when i heard most people just go to there local unis and how different the system is i thought it would be too much. I am definitely nervous for how competitive it will be and whether my french will be good enough as i am fluent however my grammar is a different story... but hopefully because im doing a course with other people like me there will be some more support than if i just went for a straight law degree there. Also I have an uncle who teaches law at the sorbonne so hopefully he will be able to help me understand and help me with this new structure you have mentioned. I am really greatful for the reality check this has given me because it will be such a big change after being in English education all of my life, and even if the Paris or whichever french university i end up in will be very narrow and difficult with not a lot of a typical university social experience at least i will have the 2 years at Kings (hopefully!!) Thank you so much for this :smile:

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