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Mechanics Maths Year 2 Edexcel Question -Need help

Please can someone talk me through the mechanics question below. I have the mark scheme but I don’t understand part b and kind off understand part a
Thank you

This question should only require content from chapters 4/5/7

the answer to mew for part b is 18/49 or 0.37 (2.s.f.)

Reply 1

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by Iqster
Please can someone talk me through the mechanics question below. I have the mark scheme but I don’t understand part b and kind off understand part a
thank you
the answer to mew for part b is 18/49 or 0.37 (2.s.f.)

For part a) I assume they took moments about A, so you balance the clockwise moment due to the weight with the anticlockwise moment due to the normal reaction at C? If you dont understand that, post what youre unsure about.

For b) resolve vertically to get the normal (vertical reaction) at A, then resolve horizontally to get the necessary friction force and hence mu (using the limiting equilibrium/vertical reaction). Again, post what youve tried / unsure about?

Reply 2

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by Iqster
Please can someone talk me through the mechanics question below. I have the mark scheme but I don’t understand part b and kind off understand part a
Thank you
This question should only require content from chapters 4/5/7
the answer to mew for part b is 18/49 or 0.37 (2.s.f.)

Upload your diagram and what you've tried. We don't give solutions but will guide you through it :smile:

Reply 3

Could the confusion be from not splitting the normal reaction at C into its horizontal and vertical components? And then considering them when resolving ?

Reply 4

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by mqb2766
For part a) I assume they took moments about A, so you balance the clockwise moment due to the weight with the anticlockwise moment due to the normal reaction at C? If you dont understand that, post what youre unsure about.
For b) resolve vertically to get the normal (vertical reaction) at A, then resolve horizontally to get the necessary friction force and hence mu (using the limiting equilibrium/vertical reaction). Again, post what youve tried / unsure about?



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by Muttley79
Upload your diagram and what you've tried. We don't give solutions but will guide you through it :smile:



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by tainey
Could the confusion be from not splitting the normal reaction at C into its horizontal and vertical components? And then considering them when resolving ?

This is what i’ve done so far,
Im not sure what to do in part b after resulting the forces from left to right and up to down

and i think I am struggling a bit with drawing the triangle at C, i wasn’t sure where to put the angles (alpha) until checking the mark scheme and i don’t think i would’ve figured it out correctly in an exam
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Reply 5

Agree for a).

For b) Agree about RA. Id have drawn a clearer diagram for the peg/normal reaction as the normal reaction makes an angle of 90-alpha with the horizontal or alpha with the vertical and that should be clear. For the horizontal friction must be equal but opposite to the horizontal component of the reaction at the peg. Then use Ra to get mu. You seem to drop the cos(alpha) on line 2 of your second pic working.

It would be better to do the simplification of each resolved horizontal force before the division to get mu.

To come back to the diagram at C, draw the horizontal at C, then the angle the rod makes with that must be alpha as its a "z" shape (parallel lines). Then the angle the normal reaaction makes with the horizontal must be 90-alpha, so it makes an angle of alpha with the vertical. So you have a 90 : alpha : 90-alpha right triangle to resolve the normal reaction. So sin(alpha) gets the horizontal component and cos(alpha) gets the vertical component.

Reply 6

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by mqb2766
Agree for a).
For b) Agree about RA. Id have drawn a clearer diagram for the peg/normal reaction as the normal reaction makes an angle of 90-alpha with the horizontal or alpha with the vertical and that should be clear. For the horizontal friction must be equal but opposite to the horizontal component of the reaction at the peg. Then use Ra to get mu. You seem to drop the cos(alpha) on line 2 of your second pic working.
It would be better to do the simplification of each resolved horizontal force before the division to get mu.
To come back to the diagram at C, draw the horizontal at C, then the angle the rod makes with that must be alpha as its a "z" shape (parallel lines). Then the angle the normal reaaction makes with the horizontal must be 90-alpha, so it makes an angle of alpha with the vertical. So you have a 90 : alpha : 90-alpha right triangle to resolve the normal reaction. So sin(alpha) gets the horizontal component and cos(alpha) gets the vertical component.

Thank You!!

is it possible if you could draw what you mean for the component forces at C (sorry i’m more of a visual learner)

Reply 7

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by Iqster
Thank You!!
is it possible if you could draw what you mean for the component forces at C (sorry i’m more of a visual learner)

Sort of, will do it if you cant annotate something like (right diagram)

So

Draw a horizontal line through the peg. Then the ladder makes an angle theta with that horizontal line (altenate angles, so "z" shape, where the horizontal lines are the parallel ones).

The normal reaction is 90 degrees to the ladder, so the normal reaaction makes an angle of 90-theta with the horizontal.

As you want to resolve the normal reaction into horizontal - vertical components, draw a vertical line to make a right triangle with the normal reaction as the hypotenuse and the (resolved) legs the horizontal and verttical lines.

Then the complementary angle, the one the normal reaction makes the vertical, is theta and cos(theta) gives the vertical and sin(theta) gives the horizontal.

See if you can make sense of that and upload a sketch if necessary. If its not clear, Ill do a diagram.

Reply 8

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by mqb2766
Sort of, will do it if you cant annotate something like (right diagram)So

Draw a horizontal line through the peg. Then the ladder makes an angle theta with that horizontal line (altenate angles, so "z" shape, where the horizontal lines are the parallel ones).

The normal reaction is 90 degrees to the ladder, so the normal reaaction makes an angle of 90-theta with the horizontal.

As you want to resolve the normal reaction into horizontal - vertical components, draw a vertical line to make a right triangle with the normal reaction as the hypotenuse and the (resolved) legs the horizontal and verttical lines.

Then the complementary angle, the one the normal reaction makes the vertical, is theta and cos(theta) gives the vertical and sin(theta) gives the horizontal.

See if you can make sense of that and upload a sketch if necessary. If its not clear, Ill do a diagram.
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is this correct? (if the image quality is rlly bad then lmk and i’ll reupload it, idk why my device is lowering the quality)

The straight line point to Rpsin(theta) is not connected to the sector showing 90-theta
(edited 1 year ago)

Reply 9

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by Iqster
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is this correct? (if the image quality is rlly bad then lmk and i’ll reupload it, idk why my device is lowering the quality)

That looks spot on. The key thing is to do alternate angles to get theta up to C, then its the usual resolving forces.

A simple sanity check is to pick something like theta=10 degress (so its almost horizontal), then the normal reaction at C is 90-10=80 with the horizontal, which is about right/plausible.

Reply 10

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by mqb2766
That looks spot on. The key thing is to do alternate angles to get theta up to C, then its the usual resolving forces.
A simple sanity check is to pick something like theta=10 degress (so its almost horizontal), then the normal reaction at C is 90-10=80 with the horizontal, which is about right/plausible.

THANK YOU SO MUCH!! It makes so much sense to me now 😁 I was always confused on where to put my angles because my teacher didn’t explain it
This has been a massive help to me cause i’m horrible at mechanics but trying to improve, thank you

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