Law university ranking matter?
Ranking for law degree does it matter for future? If it’s from Sussex or Manchester or Nottingham ?
Original post by Dima shukri
Ranking for law degree does it matter for future? If it’s from Sussex or Manchester or Nottingham ?
Dont overly rely on rankings. League tables vary quite vastly.
Maybe you could look closely into the course structures, go to the open days and see which unis you prefer.
Reply 2
What matters is the quality of your education. I have been involved in recruiting for barristers' chambers and law firms for years, and university rankings have never influenced any decision.
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Of those, Nottingham has the best graduate prospects for Law if you're looking to be employed in something you want to do, according to The Complete University Guide.
Nottingham also has the best research quality in Law of those. Whilst research quality isn't vital to undergraduate experience, it is an indicator of the intellect of the staff.
I wouldn't just go from these things when deciding where to spend several years of your life but Nottingham looks a really nice campus.
Nottingham also has the best research quality in Law of those. Whilst research quality isn't vital to undergraduate experience, it is an indicator of the intellect of the staff.
I wouldn't just go from these things when deciding where to spend several years of your life but Nottingham looks a really nice campus.
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Reply 4
"Research quality" is a meaningless quantitative measure falsely presented as a qualitative measure. This measure has no bearing on the quality of the academic staff at a university.
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Original post by Dima shukri
Ranking for law degree does it matter for future? If it’s from Sussex or Manchester or Nottingham ?
Ranking means nothing, reputation carries significant weight with specific legal career paths. Id say Nottingham clearly the strongest followed by Manchester then Sussex.
Reply 6
Original post by Picnicl
But, with someone said to be Oxford educated like yourself, it feels like you're pulling the ladder up behind you when you claim that employers don't care about the university you went to. It shows taste if nothing else to prefer to be at some universities than others. Students from Nottingham are more often employed by Magic Circle Law firms than the other two.
What a bizarre comment.
Reply 7
Original post by Picnicl
How is it a bizarre comment when it contains nothing but facts? You should not be encouraging people to think little where a prestigious field is concerned. You give a lot of advice and some of it is ****,
Do you deny that the Magic Circle firms employ more Nottingham grads than Manchester or Sussex ones?
Do you deny that the Magic Circle firms employ more Nottingham grads than Manchester or Sussex ones?
Your comment about pulling a ladder up is bizarre. I have no idea what your beef is.
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Reply 8
I have made no such suggestion. But in any event, university rankings are piffle. People should study at the place which best suits them and pay no attention to things which have no bearing on their futures.
Original post by Picnicl
How is it a bizarre comment when it contains nothing but facts? You should not be encouraging people to think little where a prestigious field is concerned. You give a lot of advice and some of it is ****,
Do you deny that the Magic Circle firms employ more Nottingham grads than Manchester or Sussex ones?
Do you deny that the Magic Circle firms employ more Nottingham grads than Manchester or Sussex ones?
I can't find the statistics which show that more MC lawyers went to Nottingham than Manchester: could you share a link, please?
Original post by chalks
I can't find the statistics which show that more MC lawyers went to Nottingham than Manchester: could you share a link, please?
www.chambersstudent.co.uk/where-to-start/newsletter/law-firms-preferred-universities-2019
It says 'The City Firms' (to mean London firms). Not exclusively Magic Circle, to be fair.
And as per The Complete University Guide, despite average entry grades for subjects in general of Manchester students being higher than average entry grades for subjects in general of Nottingham students, for Law Nottingham has higher average entry grades. To be able to achieve that takes confidence in yourself as a department and confidence by students in your university for that department.
All that said, if someone prefers to be at Manchester University, e.g. if they have specific reasons why, like facilities, go where they feel to be best in itself or for them. For example, of the 3 universities, it appears that only Manchester has a moot court.
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Original post by Picnicl
www.chambersstudent.co.uk/where-to-start/newsletter/law-firms-preferred-universities-2019
It says 'The City Firms' (to mean London firms). Not exclusively Magic Circle, to be fair.
And as per The Complete University Guide, despite average entry grades of Manchester students being higher than average entry grades achieved by Nottingham students, for Law Nottingham has higher average entry grades. To be able to achieve that takes confidence in yourself as a department and confidence by students in your university for that department.
All that said, if someone prefers to be at Manchester University, particularly if they have specific academic reasons why, like facilities and course, go where they feel to be best in itself or for them. For example, of the 3 universities, it appears that only Manchester has a moot court.
It says 'The City Firms' (to mean London firms). Not exclusively Magic Circle, to be fair.
And as per The Complete University Guide, despite average entry grades of Manchester students being higher than average entry grades achieved by Nottingham students, for Law Nottingham has higher average entry grades. To be able to achieve that takes confidence in yourself as a department and confidence by students in your university for that department.
All that said, if someone prefers to be at Manchester University, particularly if they have specific academic reasons why, like facilities and course, go where they feel to be best in itself or for them. For example, of the 3 universities, it appears that only Manchester has a moot court.
I think there's some difficulties in relying on a survey like this and, therefore, making sweeping assertions that "Nottingham has the best graduate prospects for Law if you're looking to be employed in something you want to do", although I appreciate you've caveated your position somewhat.
A few points on the research, and this goes to Mark Twain's critique of statistics:
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The research dates from three years across 2016-2018, so takes no account of changes in the success of graduates over the last 6-7 years.
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The sample size is good, but still only accounts for 15-20% of the trainee cohort across that three year period.
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The difference (generally) between the two Uni's we're talking about (Nottingham & Manchester) is a percentage point or two.
The short point is that I wouldn't recommend relying on this information to determine a choice between those two universities if my chosen career path was the City. There are too many other variables which will impact on your potential success, not least @Stiffy Byng's point that law firms have been increasingly recruiting University "blind" over the last 5 years.
Reply 12
Original post by Dima shukri
Ranking for law degree does it matter for future? If it’s from Sussex or Manchester or Nottingham ?
Hey!
The short answer is yes and no, it depends on what you want to do after your law degree.
If you’re aiming for top City law firms or highly competitive chambers, university ranking can play a role, as some firms have traditional preferences for universities with a strong reputation in law. That being said, it’s not the only thing that matters—law firms care more about your grades (a strong 2:1 or First), work experience (vac schemes, internships, pro bono work), and commercial awareness rather than just the name of your uni.
Sussex, Manchester, and Nottingham all have well-respected law schools, and plenty of students from these universities go on to secure training contracts and pupillages. Manchester and Nottingham tend to be more ‘targeted’ by larger firms for events and networking opportunities, but that doesn’t mean Sussex grads don’t get the same opportunities—it just means you might need to be a bit more proactive in seeking out networking and work experience.
Ultimately, if you perform well, gain experience, and develop strong legal skills, you can still have a great legal career regardless of where you study. If you’re torn between these universities, consider factors like course structure, employability support, networking opportunities, and where you’d be happiest studying!
Hope that helps!
Reply 13
First of all you dont need a law degree to work in law in the UK.
Second of all if it's not Oxbridge or LSE I promise you employers dont care
Second of all if it's not Oxbridge or LSE I promise you employers dont care
Reply 14
I'd say it's not so much the name that matters; it's the opportunities you get when you're there.
I've just graduated from Uni of Nottingham LLB + the law societies would be my number one pro to going there. Career opportunities for aspiring commercial solicitors seem to be exceptional (I'm going the Bar route so can't say from firsthand knowledge but the vast majority of the Law Society was focused on that). Also constant competitions of varying standards. Maybe my friends in law at other universities chose not to get involved as much but I heard nothing of the level that we had.
From what I can remember from an open day years ago, oxbridge have extra funding. Whereas usually you're (supposedly) getting £9k worth of education, at oxbridge it equates to something around £24k. I think that definitely weighs in their favour on the rankings.
I've just graduated from Uni of Nottingham LLB + the law societies would be my number one pro to going there. Career opportunities for aspiring commercial solicitors seem to be exceptional (I'm going the Bar route so can't say from firsthand knowledge but the vast majority of the Law Society was focused on that). Also constant competitions of varying standards. Maybe my friends in law at other universities chose not to get involved as much but I heard nothing of the level that we had.
From what I can remember from an open day years ago, oxbridge have extra funding. Whereas usually you're (supposedly) getting £9k worth of education, at oxbridge it equates to something around £24k. I think that definitely weighs in their favour on the rankings.
Reply 15
To give an idea of funding disparities, the University of Nottingham's endowment is £78.1 million. The University of Oxford's endowment (including the endowments of its constituent colleges) is £8.08 billion. Oxford colleges make a financial loss on the teaching of each undergraduate, and also subsidise student food and accommodation. Oxford makes money through graduate courses, monetisation of research, and investments in land and other assets.
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