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options for a level - pls help

hi nandini here :smile:
- i think ive asked this question before and can't find the og chat thread and needed a bit mroe advice!
so for my a level options i know im taking bio chem maths
i want to take further maths, because i enjoy maths, however ive been told by many people that there is no reason for me to take it unless i want to at uni..
however i have a reasoning for this
- under the circumstance i do not enjoy the medicine route, i am aware many unis have economics courses that require maths and further maths so that opens another pathway for me
however i just want to know- is it the correct decision - am i better of taking psychology or doing epq?

i appreciate any advice!!

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Reply 1

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by nandinii___
hi nandini here :smile:
- i think ive asked this question before and can't find the og chat thread and needed a bit mroe advice!
so for my a level options i know im taking bio chem maths
i want to take further maths, because i enjoy maths, however ive been told by many people that there is no reason for me to take it unless i want to at uni..
however i have a reasoning for this
- under the circumstance i do not enjoy the medicine route, i am aware many unis have economics courses that require maths and further maths so that opens another pathway for me
however i just want to know- is it the correct decision - am i better of taking psychology or doing epq?
i appreciate any advice!!

Hi there, from what I could tell by looking at your GYG, you don't really do that well in geography. Geography GCSE has a decent bit of economics I've heard. If you really are a STEM based person you are better of being a STEM based person. This is truthfully something I wish someone had told me at the beginning of Year 12. I personally was projected to get an A* in Maths during year 12 but I got an A due to the stress that being terrible at economics caused me. My predicteds are now AAC with an A already achieved in Maths. STEM people should just stick to stem. Don't put yourself through essay based trauma like I did so please don't go for psych. 🥲

On a side note I remember a bunch of psych students who literally cried to my form tutor about their predicteds. Physical tears. It was a terrible site to see. Chem is decent but without an efficient revision system from the start you'll fall apart and Bio is content heavy. I once looked at what the Bio students had to memorise and it was this large thick booklet, they then told me this was only one of the many booklets they had to memorise.

If you have any questions about further maths I could answer aswell.
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Reply 2

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by nandinii___
hi nandini here :smile:
- i think ive asked this question before and can't find the og chat thread and needed a bit mroe advice!
so for my a level options i know im taking bio chem maths
i want to take further maths, because i enjoy maths, however ive been told by many people that there is no reason for me to take it unless i want to at uni..
however i have a reasoning for this
- under the circumstance i do not enjoy the medicine route, i am aware many unis have economics courses that require maths and further maths so that opens another pathway for me
however i just want to know- is it the correct decision - am i better of taking psychology or doing epq?
i appreciate any advice!!

Many medicine applicants take further maths as well.
Something to note, a faltering dedication to the hardest and longest course and career isn't even going to be enough to get you into the medical school, even if you do you have 5ish years of studying at medical school, then practical exams and then exams while you are a doctor to get a fellowship and then exams to specialise and then exams to progress up the ranks. All while working far more hours than the average person and not getting paid much for it. You either really want to do it or you shouldn't at all.
Best of luck.

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by Saemai
Hi there, from what I could tell by looking at your GYG, you don't really do that well in geography. Geography GCSE has a decent bit of economics I've heard. If you really are a STEM based person you are better of being a STEM based person. This is truthfully something I wish someone had told me at the beginning of Year 12. I personally was projected to get an A* in Maths during year 12 but I got an A due to the stress that being terrible at economics caused me. My predicteds are now AAC with an A already achieved in Maths. STEM people should just stick to stem. Don't put yourself through essay based trauma like I did so please don't go for psych. 🥲
On a side note I remember a bunch of psych students who literally cried to my form tutor about their predicteds. Physical tears. It was a terrible site to see. Chem is decent but without an efficient revision system from the start you'll fall apart and Bio is content heavy. I once looked at what the Bio students had to memorise and it was this large thick booklet, they then told me this was only one of the many booklets they had to memorise.
If you have any questions about further maths I could answer aswell.

hihi tysm! and yh honestly the reason i dont do well in geo is coz ims imply unprepared for exams - i js had my mock so im waiitng on the results hopefully it actually reflects how im doing coz i revised more! but ty for ur advice :biggrin:
also how is further maths?? like people say its exceptionally difficult and ik its definitely hard but is it AS bad as people say?

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by stilllearning123
Many medicine applicants take further maths as well.
Something to note, a faltering dedication to the hardest and longest course and career isn't even going to be enough to get you into the medical school, even if you do you have 5ish years of studying at medical school, then practical exams and then exams while you are a doctor to get a fellowship and then exams to specialise and then exams to progress up the ranks. All while working far more hours than the average person and not getting paid much for it. You either really want to do it or you shouldn't at all.
Best of luck.

hi yeah i completely agree! i do want to go into medicine, but i just wanted to keep a fall back option yk :smile:)

Reply 5

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by nandinii___
hi yeah i completely agree! i do want to go into medicine, but i just wanted to keep a fall back option yk :smile:)

Yeah, I understand that, it is a competitive course 😅
I believe that if it is medicine that you really want to do, there isn't any point in thinking about doing anything else.
Planning for failure is worse than regular planning 🤣
Best of luck!

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by Saemai
Hi there, from what I could tell by looking at your GYG, you don't really do that well in geography. Geography GCSE has a decent bit of economics I've heard. If you really are a STEM based person you are better of being a STEM based person. This is truthfully something I wish someone had told me at the beginning of Year 12. I personally was projected to get an A* in Maths during year 12 but I got an A due to the stress that being terrible at economics caused me. My predicteds are now AAC with an A already achieved in Maths. STEM people should just stick to stem. Don't put yourself through essay based trauma like I did so please don't go for psych. 🥲
On a side note I remember a bunch of psych students who literally cried to my form tutor about their predicteds. Physical tears. It was a terrible site to see. Chem is decent but without an efficient revision system from the start you'll fall apart and Bio is content heavy. I once looked at what the Bio students had to memorise and it was this large thick booklet, they then told me this was only one of the many booklets they had to memorise.
If you have any questions about further maths I could answer aswell.

Hi Nandini! Obviously everyone has their own experience but just wanted to contradict this view. I SUCKED at Geography and even though I wanted to take it as a GCSE, I was advised not to purely because of how rubbish I was at it. I'm now predicted an A* in Economics. But yeah, I would agree that there is some crossover with Economics and Geography, specifically human geography. Another thing I would say is that at GCSE I was a hardcore STEM student but now I have offers to study Economics at university. Yes, you have to write essays for Economics A Level but it is very formulaic in the way you write them, you just have to write chains to reasoning (this leads to this which leads to this which leads to...) and work in a few real-world examples along the way. Also drawing diagrams is a great way to get marks and waffling will get you nowhere, it doesn't feel like a typical essay-based subject (to me at least, everyone is entitled to their own opinion). I don't do psych but a lot of my friends do and I haven't heard them say anything bad about it (for most of them it's their fav subject). Also I do further maths and although I'm currently not doing great, I think it's manageable if you do regular practice and stay on top of the work (don't start playing 2048 cupcakes in class otherwise you end up with a C in your mocks like I did lol). As long as you're systematic in the way you revise and you make sure to address any gaps in your knowledge ASAP I don't think further maths is that bad. Let me know if you have any more questions!

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by scar-the-queen
Hi Nandini! Obviously everyone has their own experience but just wanted to contradict this view. I SUCKED at Geography and even though I wanted to take it as a GCSE, I was advised not to purely because of how rubbish I was at it. I'm now predicted an A* in Economics. But yeah, I would agree that there is some crossover with Economics and Geography, specifically human geography. Another thing I would say is that at GCSE I was a hardcore STEM student but now I have offers to study Economics at university. Yes, you have to write essays for Economics A Level but it is very formulaic in the way you write them, you just have to write chains to reasoning (this leads to this which leads to this which leads to...) and work in a few real-world examples along the way. Also drawing diagrams is a great way to get marks and waffling will get you nowhere, it doesn't feel like a typical essay-based subject (to me at least, everyone is entitled to their own opinion). I don't do psych but a lot of my friends do and I haven't heard them say anything bad about it (for most of them it's their fav subject). Also I do further maths and although I'm currently not doing great, I think it's manageable if you do regular practice and stay on top of the work (don't start playing 2048 cupcakes in class otherwise you end up with a C in your mocks like I did lol). As long as you're systematic in the way you revise and you make sure to address any gaps in your knowledge ASAP I don't think further maths is that bad. Let me know if you have any more questions!

hi hi thank u SO MUCH FOR THIS! this was very helpful! yeah so ik for a fact im defo better at human geography, and ty for this advice LOL- umm haha its quite bad but im like in the middle of english playing like cooking fever but we difress! yh and tysm ill defo dm u!

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by nandinii___
hi nandini here :smile:
- i think ive asked this question before and can't find the og chat thread and needed a bit mroe advice!
so for my a level options i know im taking bio chem maths
i want to take further maths, because i enjoy maths, however ive been told by many people that there is no reason for me to take it unless i want to at uni..
however i have a reasoning for this
- under the circumstance i do not enjoy the medicine route, i am aware many unis have economics courses that require maths and further maths so that opens another pathway for me
however i just want to know- is it the correct decision - am i better of taking psychology or doing epq?
i appreciate any advice!!


Hi, I do chemistry biology and English and have 3 med offers! I find the mix between stem and humanities really hard - English was always my ‘easy’ subject at gcse and I did it at alevel in the hope it would be a fairly high grade however am finishing it really hard to balance my revision- I really want to revise bio and chem as those are the most important ones for me to get the higher grades in for my offers however am having to spend time doing English as well (obviously whatever combo you choose you’ll be revising all three, I just find it a drag to spend hours writing essays when I know I need to revise chem for example). This is just my opinion- I know pysch is also really essay based (I’ve grown to HATE writing essays) but I’ve also heard it’s way more interesting than English!! Three alevels is more than enough- I didn’t see your previous thread so not sure what your reasoning was for taking four though.
Sixth form is super busy especially when applying for med so just focus on getting three really good grades, work experience then doing well in your ucat. Maybe see if you can get some sort of medical experience before you start sixth form then you can see if you defo don’t like this then therefore do further maths for economics??

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Hi!, I am doing further maths currently and I am in yr 13, further maths is quite hard but it isnt AS bad as people told me it would be. There are like one or two topics I rlly struggle with but I think most of it is doable. It also depends on what modules you do. Core pure 1 and 2 are compulsory I think and they were ok in my opinion not massively hard . Further mechanics however was killing me 😭 it's basically physics so yh check what modules your school does for further maths.

Reply 10

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by nandinii___
hi nandini here :smile:
- i think ive asked this question before and can't find the og chat thread and needed a bit mroe advice!
so for my a level options i know im taking bio chem maths
i want to take further maths, because i enjoy maths, however ive been told by many people that there is no reason for me to take it unless i want to at uni..
however i have a reasoning for this
- under the circumstance i do not enjoy the medicine route, i am aware many unis have economics courses that require maths and further maths so that opens another pathway for me
however i just want to know- is it the correct decision - am i better of taking psychology or doing epq?
i appreciate any advice!!

I'm not a stem student so I can't really comment on further maths, but I did take psychology. What I will say is whilst many bio chem maths students took it as there 4th/5th A-level just as many dropped it by year 13. I personally really enjoyed it, but I only took 3 A levels with my most stressful one actually being art, so I didn't have to stress over content amount as much especially when it came to exams. Your subjects are so content heavy, so you'd need to have a strong interest in psychology to be taking that as your 4th because it's just so so much content. As an A-level itself though the questions are easy to get the hang of answering with practice, and the timings aren't too restrictive. Hope this helps!

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by Darcey08374
Hi, I do chemistry biology and English and have 3 med offers! I find the mix between stem and humanities really hard - English was always my ‘easy’ subject at gcse and I did it at alevel in the hope it would be a fairly high grade however am finishing it really hard to balance my revision- I really want to revise bio and chem as those are the most important ones for me to get the higher grades in for my offers however am having to spend time doing English as well (obviously whatever combo you choose you’ll be revising all three, I just find it a drag to spend hours writing essays when I know I need to revise chem for example). This is just my opinion- I know pysch is also really essay based (I’ve grown to HATE writing essays) but I’ve also heard it’s way more interesting than English!! Three alevels is more than enough- I didn’t see your previous thread so not sure what your reasoning was for taking four though.
Sixth form is super busy especially when applying for med so just focus on getting three really good grades, work experience then doing well in your ucat. Maybe see if you can get some sort of medical experience before you start sixth form then you can see if you defo don’t like this then therefore do further maths for economics??

hello! tysm for this advice- ill defo go for that! so i did end up choosing further maths lol but i lowk might end up dropping it if i dont enjoy it haha but this was very useful! do u ahve any ideas where i could find medical work experience??

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by malu205
I'm not a stem student so I can't really comment on further maths, but I did take psychology. What I will say is whilst many bio chem maths students took it as there 4th/5th A-level just as many dropped it by year 13. I personally really enjoyed it, but I only took 3 A levels with my most stressful one actually being art, so I didn't have to stress over content amount as much especially when it came to exams. Your subjects are so content heavy, so you'd need to have a strong interest in psychology to be taking that as your 4th because it's just so so much content. As an A-level itself though the questions are easy to get the hang of answering with practice, and the timings aren't too restrictive. Hope this helps!

this is very valid tysm! i completeluy agree haha i didnt end up goign with psychology as i lowk realised i wasn't interested in doing an essay subject haha but tysm again very useful!

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by Mehar03
Hi!, I am doing further maths currently and I am in yr 13, further maths is quite hard but it isnt AS bad as people told me it would be. There are like one or two topics I rlly struggle with but I think most of it is doable. It also depends on what modules you do. Core pure 1 and 2 are compulsory I think and they were ok in my opinion not massively hard . Further mechanics however was killing me 😭 it's basically physics so yh check what modules your school does for further maths.

hello TYSM! this acc helped me get some peace of mind - ill defo check them out haha

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@nandinii___ - Look up work experience near you and find websites for hospitals or GPS near you.

if no luck, email hospitals and GPS directly with a CV explaining your circumstances, and you should find some work experience.

I've done this and although I ended up getting care of the elderly in my local hospital, its still work experience shadowing a real life doctor which is very important as well as how you reflect on it!

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by nandinii___
hello! tysm for this advice- ill defo go for that! so i did end up choosing further maths lol but i lowk might end up dropping it if i dont enjoy it haha but this was very useful! do u ahve any ideas where i could find medical work experience??


I started doing chem bio English and maths and then dropped maths because I hated maths haha but so glad I did as with med you have so much more to do in the application process then other subjects so sixth form can have a huge workload.

For work experience I recommend emailing/ringing all the GP practices, pharmacies, nursing homes near you. Depending on the NHS trust they may offer volunteering in the hospital which I believe most of the time they let you do if you are 16 which is also good experience. I personally found that most of the things I spoke about in my interviews came from extracurriculars like sport, head girl, widening participation programmes, volunteering as a sports coach and reading and then I would just back this up by saying I saw ‘this skill’ in my work experience. I found as it was MMI it was easy to just repeat the same few experiences, for example have one situation where I saw teamwork/communication/problem solving/empathy etc. therefore I wouldn’t stress about finding loads and loads of work experience, a few days is fine.

I personally found (not sure what area you live in) that the private hospital near me offered a better work experience than the nhs did (I did both private and nhs) as they had the time and the capacity to run a full programme - maybe email/call one of these, they are often less oversubscribed as lots of people just don’t think about it or realise they offer experience.
I would also recomend reading about the subject as this is really good for learning about the medical experience (if you google it some should come up - my personal fav was war doctor).

Any sort of experience where you care for people or see empathy/communication is essential as I found I talked about this most in my interviews. Particularly things like working with children or the elderly, obviously this isn’t NEEDED but it definitely helps give scenarios and things to say as well as giving you a really good skill set.

It depends where you live obviously but try and email as many people as you can even if you get no response. If you qualify, also research into widening participation programmes near you as these give you great opportunities to talk to students, admissions teams as well as sometimes offering things like clinical skills teaching/interview pre etc. I believe most unis offer it, I personally loved the UKPWMED scheme and Exeter scholars. I think Birmingham, Bristol, kings etc all run programmes like this. They usually give you lower grade requirements and sometimes guaranteed interviews as well.

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by nandinii___
hi nandini here :smile:
- i think ive asked this question before and can't find the og chat thread and needed a bit mroe advice!
so for my a level options i know im taking bio chem maths
i want to take further maths, because i enjoy maths, however ive been told by many people that there is no reason for me to take it unless i want to at uni..
however i have a reasoning for this
- under the circumstance i do not enjoy the medicine route, i am aware many unis have economics courses that require maths and further maths so that opens another pathway for me
however i just want to know- is it the correct decision - am i better of taking psychology or doing epq?
i appreciate any advice!!

I know we've seen each other before on your GYG but just a couple of things I want to add to this.

I take this combo, currently have 3/4 offers and waiting for my final decision. I took this combo because start of sixth form I wanted to do Med, but was also interested in Maths/Engineering. To keep my options open I did this.

I want to make it clear that most med schools don't count maths and further maths as seperate a levels, so technically for a lot of them you are only taking 3 as they wouldn't care about FM as your fourth. There are still some that do count them seperately.

Either way you only need 3 a levels for med or any course. They won't give you an offer soley because you have a fourth a level, they also won't care what that fourth a level is. They won't even care what your third subject is (excl Chem and Bio)! Only Cambridge requires 3 stem a levels. Every other med school needs Chem, very often Bio, and then they state they have no preference on the third. They cannot assess someone who takes Bio Chem Art differently to Bio Chem Psychology.

So I'd say take this combo to keep your options open for economics in the future. You are welcome to drop one at the end of y12 when you decide which route to go for, or like me you could keep all 4 until the end of your a levels.

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@tom47234912348 and @Darcey08374 tysm for both of ur advices! very helpful will defo have a look

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by study23!
I know we've seen each other before on your GYG but just a couple of things I want to add to this.
I take this combo, currently have 3/4 offers and waiting for my final decision. I took this combo because start of sixth form I wanted to do Med, but was also interested in Maths/Engineering. To keep my options open I did this.
I want to make it clear that most med schools don't count maths and further maths as seperate a levels, so technically for a lot of them you are only taking 3 as they wouldn't care about FM as your fourth. There are still some that do count them seperately.
Either way you only need 3 a levels for med or any course. They won't give you an offer soley because you have a fourth a level, they also won't care what that fourth a level is. They won't even care what your third subject is (excl Chem and Bio)! Only Cambridge requires 3 stem a levels. Every other med school needs Chem, very often Bio, and then they state they have no preference on the third. They cannot assess someone who takes Bio Chem Art differently to Bio Chem Psychology.
So I'd say take this combo to keep your options open for economics in the future. You are welcome to drop one at the end of y12 when you decide which route to go for, or like me you could keep all 4 until the end of your a levels.

hi tysm this was very helfpul!

Reply 19

Original post
by nandinii___
hi nandini here :smile:
- i think ive asked this question before and can't find the og chat thread and needed a bit mroe advice!
so for my a level options i know im taking bio chem maths
i want to take further maths, because i enjoy maths, however ive been told by many people that there is no reason for me to take it unless i want to at uni..
however i have a reasoning for this
- under the circumstance i do not enjoy the medicine route, i am aware many unis have economics courses that require maths and further maths so that opens another pathway for me
however i just want to know- is it the correct decision - am i better of taking psychology or doing epq?
i appreciate any advice!!

many economics courses do not require further maths. You have to understand that this is another whole a level that you would be studying which takes extreme time and effort. Doing 3 ALevels is difficult enough as it is and squeezing in a fourth may be a challenge. It is recommended 10hrs a week per subject and trying to manage this, alongside a part time job (if you have one) and still having a social life may all become too much. The thing i would suggest is doing 3 a levels and then considering taking AS further maths. I mean this is completely up to you but that would be my main advice :smile:

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