What stupid thing did Trump do today?
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I'll start with Trump denying that he called the president of Ukraine "a dictator", replying "Did I say that? I can't believe I said that".
So either he is deliberately making false and inflammatory comments in support of Putin's agenda, or he genuinely doesn't know what is going on.
Not very reassuring.
I'll start with Trump denying that he called the president of Ukraine "a dictator", replying "Did I say that? I can't believe I said that".
So either he is deliberately making false and inflammatory comments in support of Putin's agenda, or he genuinely doesn't know what is going on.
Not very reassuring.
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Reply 1
I suppose we can follow this up with Trump and Vance spitting the dummy and kicking Zelenskyy out for apparently "Disrespecting the United States in it's cherished oval office!"
Y'know, days after all calling Zelenskyy an unelected dictator, then denying it 😅
Y'know, days after all calling Zelenskyy an unelected dictator, then denying it 😅
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by StriderHortI suppose we can follow this up with Trump and Vance spitting the dummy and kicking Zelenskyy out for apparently "Disrespecting the United States in it's cherished oval office!"
Y'know, days after all calling Zelenskyy an unelected dictator, then denying it 😅
Y'know, days after all calling Zelenskyy an unelected dictator, then denying it 😅
This season of Trump! has already jumped the shark, and it's only been a month!
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I don't blame them. He cursed at Vance. Cosplayed as a soldier. Then try to put pressure on them in front of the media. Worked on Biden, didn't On Trump.
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So now Trump stops all military aid to Ukraine. He really is a spoilt, petulant child with zero understanding of real politics or diplomacy.
Guess he's not even pretending to hide his support for Putin any more. Quelle surprise!
Guess he's not even pretending to hide his support for Putin any more. Quelle surprise!
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by JebedeeI don't blame them. He cursed at Vance. Cosplayed as a soldier. Then try to put pressure on them in front of the media. Worked on Biden, didn't On Trump.
Trump wants to curry favour with Putin. That is all.
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by 2WheelGodTrump wan't to curry favour with Putin. That is all.
Firstly, why would Trump need or want to curry favour with Putin, when Russia is a nonsense country with no money and only one product, which the US has in abundance?
Second - for all the Zelensky fans out there - what is your endgame in this? What is your solution other than forever war? At the moment, Ukraine is being propped up by enormous financial and military aid and is trying to fight a conventional war. There is no scenario under which they suddenely magic up the manpower to turn the tide of the war and expel Russia from their borders - Ukraine does not have that number of people.
If this goes on much longer, the only result is it turning into a guerilla war in which Ukraine cedes even more territory and tries to hold on to a tiny part of the country whilst harassing Russian forces everywhere else. So right now, how about letting Trump negotiate some kind of peace even if its rubbish, and at least you don't lose the next 2-3 generations of young men in a war you cannot possibly win?
There are so many people in this country so cavalier with Ukranian lives who seemingly want more and more war, with some fantasy ending that is beyond the realms of reality.
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by TrinculoFirstly, why would Trump need or want to curry favour with Putin, when Russia is a nonsense country with no money and only one product, which the US has in abundance?
Second - for all the Zelensky fans out there - what is your endgame in this? What is your solution other than forever war? At the moment, Ukraine is being propped up by enormous financial and military aid and is trying to fight a conventional war. There is no scenario under which they suddenely magic up the manpower to turn the tide of the war and expel Russia from their borders - Ukraine does not have that number of people.
If this goes on much longer, the only result is it turning into a guerilla war in which Ukraine cedes even more territory and tries to hold on to a tiny part of the country whilst harassing Russian forces everywhere else. So right now, how about letting Trump negotiate some kind of peace even if its rubbish, and at least you don't lose the next 2-3 generations of young men in a war you cannot possibly win?
There are so many people in this country so cavalier with Ukranian lives who seemingly want more and more war, with some fantasy ending that is beyond the realms of reality.
Second - for all the Zelensky fans out there - what is your endgame in this? What is your solution other than forever war? At the moment, Ukraine is being propped up by enormous financial and military aid and is trying to fight a conventional war. There is no scenario under which they suddenely magic up the manpower to turn the tide of the war and expel Russia from their borders - Ukraine does not have that number of people.
If this goes on much longer, the only result is it turning into a guerilla war in which Ukraine cedes even more territory and tries to hold on to a tiny part of the country whilst harassing Russian forces everywhere else. So right now, how about letting Trump negotiate some kind of peace even if its rubbish, and at least you don't lose the next 2-3 generations of young men in a war you cannot possibly win?
There are so many people in this country so cavalier with Ukranian lives who seemingly want more and more war, with some fantasy ending that is beyond the realms of reality.
"why would Trump need or want to curry favour with Putin"
Indeed. But as we have seen, Trump is irrational and delusional - so even without some actual reason, we have a reason.
Why does Trump generally seem keen to impress authoritarian dictators rather than elected leaders working through compromise and cooperation? Possibly because that is how he sees himself? Who knows what goes on in his head?
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by TrinculoFirstly, why would Trump need or want to curry favour with Putin, when Russia is a nonsense country with no money and only one product, which the US has in abundance?
Second - for all the Zelensky fans out there - what is your endgame in this? What is your solution other than forever war? At the moment, Ukraine is being propped up by enormous financial and military aid and is trying to fight a conventional war. There is no scenario under which they suddenely magic up the manpower to turn the tide of the war and expel Russia from their borders - Ukraine does not have that number of people.
If this goes on much longer, the only result is it turning into a guerilla war in which Ukraine cedes even more territory and tries to hold on to a tiny part of the country whilst harassing Russian forces everywhere else. So right now, how about letting Trump negotiate some kind of peace even if its rubbish, and at least you don't lose the next 2-3 generations of young men in a war you cannot possibly win?
There are so many people in this country so cavalier with Ukranian lives who seemingly want more and more war, with some fantasy ending that is beyond the realms of reality.
Second - for all the Zelensky fans out there - what is your endgame in this? What is your solution other than forever war? At the moment, Ukraine is being propped up by enormous financial and military aid and is trying to fight a conventional war. There is no scenario under which they suddenely magic up the manpower to turn the tide of the war and expel Russia from their borders - Ukraine does not have that number of people.
If this goes on much longer, the only result is it turning into a guerilla war in which Ukraine cedes even more territory and tries to hold on to a tiny part of the country whilst harassing Russian forces everywhere else. So right now, how about letting Trump negotiate some kind of peace even if its rubbish, and at least you don't lose the next 2-3 generations of young men in a war you cannot possibly win?
There are so many people in this country so cavalier with Ukranian lives who seemingly want more and more war, with some fantasy ending that is beyond the realms of reality.
The fantasy of achieving peace by giving in to Putin's demands without any security guarantees is pure Trump delusion.
History has shown, over and over, that cowering appeasement of expansionist bullies brings more conflict, not less.
Trump and Vance need to leave the peace negotiations to the grown ups.
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by TrinculoFirstly, why would Trump need or want to curry favour with Putin, when Russia is a nonsense country with no money and only one product, which the US has in abundance?
Second - for all the Zelensky fans out there - what is your endgame in this? What is your solution other than forever war? At the moment, Ukraine is being propped up by enormous financial and military aid and is trying to fight a conventional war. There is no scenario under which they suddenely magic up the manpower to turn the tide of the war and expel Russia from their borders - Ukraine does not have that number of people.
If this goes on much longer, the only result is it turning into a guerilla war in which Ukraine cedes even more territory and tries to hold on to a tiny part of the country whilst harassing Russian forces everywhere else. So right now, how about letting Trump negotiate some kind of peace even if its rubbish, and at least you don't lose the next 2-3 generations of young men in a war you cannot possibly win?
There are so many people in this country so cavalier with Ukranian lives who seemingly want more and more war, with some fantasy ending that is beyond the realms of reality.
Second - for all the Zelensky fans out there - what is your endgame in this? What is your solution other than forever war? At the moment, Ukraine is being propped up by enormous financial and military aid and is trying to fight a conventional war. There is no scenario under which they suddenely magic up the manpower to turn the tide of the war and expel Russia from their borders - Ukraine does not have that number of people.
If this goes on much longer, the only result is it turning into a guerilla war in which Ukraine cedes even more territory and tries to hold on to a tiny part of the country whilst harassing Russian forces everywhere else. So right now, how about letting Trump negotiate some kind of peace even if its rubbish, and at least you don't lose the next 2-3 generations of young men in a war you cannot possibly win?
There are so many people in this country so cavalier with Ukranian lives who seemingly want more and more war, with some fantasy ending that is beyond the realms of reality.
Oh, my sweet summer child. Trump has made no attempt to negotiate peace. He is stitching Ukraine up, repeating Russian propaganda narratives, while simultaneously undermining alliances built up over decades with fellow democratic countries.
Meanwhile at home, we are seeing Trump consolidate power in the executive, stripping the checks and balances out of government, and replacing professionals with loyal party apparatchiks. If you know your 20th Century history, you'd know this is characteristic of how you destroy a democracy from within.
So rather than acting as a Trump apologist, it is time to wake up and acknowledge the bigger picture here.
Reply 10
The Rest is Politics had a good episode recently reacting to the Zelensky incident, (I would hesitate to call it a press event). Some good points raised including:
Meanwhile, Trump is persisting with his plan to apply 25% tariffs to the US's two nearest trading partners. Accordingly, US stock markets took their biggest hit of the year, (down 2% from what I recall seeing).
Meanwhile toymakers reacted with dismay to what will in effect be 20% tariffs on imported goods from China.
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It's not normal for heads of state to answer more than a couple of questions at these things. Getting a grilling from a hand-picked assembly of media is wild.
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If either Vance or Trump were serious statesmen with a genuine agenda for peace, they would have seen things getting out of hand and simply called an end to the session. They didn't, because as always it's about jockeying for position and the perception of "winning".
Meanwhile, Trump is persisting with his plan to apply 25% tariffs to the US's two nearest trading partners. Accordingly, US stock markets took their biggest hit of the year, (down 2% from what I recall seeing).
Meanwhile toymakers reacted with dismay to what will in effect be 20% tariffs on imported goods from China.
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by 2WheelGodThe fantasy of achieving peace by giving in to Putin's demands without any security guarantees is pure Trump delusion.
History has shown, over and over, that cowering appeasement of expansionist bullies brings more conflict, not less.
Trump and Vance need to leave the peace negotiations to the grown ups.
History has shown, over and over, that cowering appeasement of expansionist bullies brings more conflict, not less.
Trump and Vance need to leave the peace negotiations to the grown ups.
So still no endgame or outcome other than war until everyone is dead?
On the other hand, you suddenely have the EU deciding to ramp up the war rhetoric, despite decades of going the other way and doing everything it can to strip away national armed forces to the point now that there is only one EU country (France) capable of deploying overseas - and then only in an extremely limited fashion. Europe has zero capacity for war and Russia knows that. So I'd ask you again - you'd prefer to not even attempt a Trump-led peace deal over ongoing war with no possibility of an end?
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Let's all be honest here - most people don't give a toss about Ukraine or Ukrainians. They just hate Trump.
Waving a Ukrainian flag was 2023's latest thing. Everyone wanted to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with "the Ukrainian people" regardless of what that meant in reality. Nobody has come up with a single solution to this other than "more war".
The usual peaceniks are suddenely transformed into bloodthirsty warhawks. So all the people opposing even trying a peace deal - let's hear it. What is the alternative, because I'm not hearing one from Germany, France, Italy or Britain. I'm not hearing one from China. The Poles are arming to the teeth. All you can do is claim either that Trump is evil and doing Putin's bidding, or Trump is a fool and being fooled by Putin - and in both cases your only alternative is to send more Ukrainians to their deaths because you love Ukraine so much.
Waving a Ukrainian flag was 2023's latest thing. Everyone wanted to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with "the Ukrainian people" regardless of what that meant in reality. Nobody has come up with a single solution to this other than "more war".
The usual peaceniks are suddenely transformed into bloodthirsty warhawks. So all the people opposing even trying a peace deal - let's hear it. What is the alternative, because I'm not hearing one from Germany, France, Italy or Britain. I'm not hearing one from China. The Poles are arming to the teeth. All you can do is claim either that Trump is evil and doing Putin's bidding, or Trump is a fool and being fooled by Putin - and in both cases your only alternative is to send more Ukrainians to their deaths because you love Ukraine so much.
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by TrinculoLet's all be honest here - most people don't give a toss about Ukraine or Ukrainians. They just hate Trump.
Waving a Ukrainian flag was 2023's latest thing. Everyone wanted to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with "the Ukrainian people" regardless of what that meant in reality. Nobody has come up with a single solution to this other than "more war".
The usual peaceniks are suddenely transformed into bloodthirsty warhawks. So all the people opposing even trying a peace deal - let's hear it. What is the alternative, because I'm not hearing one from Germany, France, Italy or Britain. I'm not hearing one from China. The Poles are arming to the teeth. All you can do is claim either that Trump is evil and doing Putin's bidding, or Trump is a fool and being fooled by Putin - and in both cases your only alternative is to send more Ukrainians to their deaths because you love Ukraine so much.
Waving a Ukrainian flag was 2023's latest thing. Everyone wanted to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with "the Ukrainian people" regardless of what that meant in reality. Nobody has come up with a single solution to this other than "more war".
The usual peaceniks are suddenely transformed into bloodthirsty warhawks. So all the people opposing even trying a peace deal - let's hear it. What is the alternative, because I'm not hearing one from Germany, France, Italy or Britain. I'm not hearing one from China. The Poles are arming to the teeth. All you can do is claim either that Trump is evil and doing Putin's bidding, or Trump is a fool and being fooled by Putin - and in both cases your only alternative is to send more Ukrainians to their deaths because you love Ukraine so much.
So why the support from 2014 if its all about hating trump? Shooting down MH17 was in 2015 so before trump. The dutch certainly care about that. Trump getting impeached in 2020 for withholding martial aid for ukraine while asking zelensky to be the fall guy for the rus interference / asking for dirt on bidens hardly inspires confidence. Zelensky main issue, not unreasonably, has been security guarantees. Again nothing about trump, though his response is to put nothing in writing (apart from the mineral deal) and say trust me. I guess its not worth the paper its not written on.
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by mqb2766So why the support from 2014 if its all about hating trump? Shooting down MH17 was in 2015 so before trump. The dutch certainly care about that. Trump getting impeached in 2020 for withholding martial aid for ukraine while asking zelensky to be the fall guy for the rus interference / asking for dirt on bidens hardly inspires confidence. Zelensky main issue, not unreasonably, has been security guarantees. Again nothing about trump, though his response is to put nothing in writing (apart from the mineral deal) and say trust me. I guess its not worth the paper its not written on.
No one in this country gave a stuff about Ukraine in 2014, and in the last few years it's just been the latest fashion accessory.
The only reason people are making a fuss about Trump now is because they hate him, not because they want any good outcome for Ukraine. And let's face it - there isn't going to be a good short or medium term outcome for them.
Most of the people on here are ready to throw away any concept of jaw-jaw simply because they'd feel better by saying that "Putin owns Trump". And their alternative? Let's keep those Ukrainians fighting to the last man, woman and child.
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by TrinculoNo one in this country gave a stuff about Ukraine in 2014, and in the last few years it's just been the latest fashion accessory.
The only reason people are making a fuss about Trump now is because they hate him, not because they want any good outcome for Ukraine. And let's face it - there isn't going to be a good short or medium term outcome for them.
Most of the people on here are ready to throw away any concept of jaw-jaw simply because they'd feel better by saying that "Putin owns Trump". And their alternative? Let's keep those Ukrainians fighting to the last man, woman and child.
The only reason people are making a fuss about Trump now is because they hate him, not because they want any good outcome for Ukraine. And let's face it - there isn't going to be a good short or medium term outcome for them.
Most of the people on here are ready to throw away any concept of jaw-jaw simply because they'd feel better by saying that "Putin owns Trump". And their alternative? Let's keep those Ukrainians fighting to the last man, woman and child.
You seem terribly confused about this.
No sane person considers an acceptable peace to be simply giving in to the aggressor. Peace in Ukraine requires concessions from Russia (the aggressor, remember) not just from Ukraine (the victim).
I guess in your world, assault trials would end with the victim apologising to the perpetrator, being humiliated by the emergency services, and paying any expenses incurred by all parties.
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True to form, Trump spent the entire address to congress lying through his teeth - including ones he has been publicly corrected on multiple times.
It is both hilarious and terrifying that it is easier to spot the lies in his statements than it is to spot the truth.
He's only been in power a few weeks and he's already made a worse job than he did in his previous four years. But unlike last time, his VP is giving him a run for his money in the "WTF?!" stakes.
It is both hilarious and terrifying that it is easier to spot the lies in his statements than it is to spot the truth.
He's only been in power a few weeks and he's already made a worse job than he did in his previous four years. But unlike last time, his VP is giving him a run for his money in the "WTF?!" stakes.
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by TrinculoNo one in this country gave a stuff about Ukraine in 2014, and in the last few years it's just been the latest fashion accessory.
The only reason people are making a fuss about Trump now is because they hate him, not because they want any good outcome for Ukraine. And let's face it - there isn't going to be a good short or medium term outcome for them.
Most of the people on here are ready to throw away any concept of jaw-jaw simply because they'd feel better by saying that "Putin owns Trump". And their alternative? Let's keep those Ukrainians fighting to the last man, woman and child.
The only reason people are making a fuss about Trump now is because they hate him, not because they want any good outcome for Ukraine. And let's face it - there isn't going to be a good short or medium term outcome for them.
Most of the people on here are ready to throw away any concept of jaw-jaw simply because they'd feel better by saying that "Putin owns Trump". And their alternative? Let's keep those Ukrainians fighting to the last man, woman and child.
In 2014, putin was playing his old game of "its not me gov" and denied involvement and insistinng it was a local uprising, it was something that become increasingly untenable with downing mh17 in 2015 and ... In the uk, some people were aware of litvinenko in 2006 and salisbury in 2018 and ... and sanctions were introducted in 2014/15. Again, nothing to do with trump.
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So now Trump has abandoned any pretence of being pro Ukraine or even neutral in the war by withholding all intelligence on Russia from Ukraine, as well as stopping military aid. We is now unashamedly pro Russia.
I wonder how long before he is offering military support to Putin?
I wonder how long before he is offering military support to Putin?
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As if we needed more evidence that Trump has no idea what is going on, he is claiming that the Biden administration spent "$8 million to make mice transgender". 🤣
Come on gramps, time for your medication and a nap.
Come on gramps, time for your medication and a nap.
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