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Can I lie?

I'm a final year law argument trying to apply for training contracts. I'll be honest, I did leave it too late. I was wondering if I can lie a bit in the application and how serious it is. I know I shouldn't lie and integrity etc.
But I mean I feel like I don't have enough experience to really make a good case for myself. Like I'm not saying lying about grades but for example any extra curricular activities or maybe mentioning how l entreated insight schemes.
Which I have but I feel like it's still not enough. Like can I not exaggerate a bit? Ofc I won't be lying about my work experience but maybe talk about how I attended events etc which I haven't but I mean, I got the skills and knowledge toh.
I know we shouldn't lie but being realistic l'm sure everyone lied on their CV etc.
Can someone pls help me who also been applying for training contracts and how likely they are to finding out and overall process and any other tips for me.

Reply 1

Original post
by ToGodly
I'm a final year law argument trying to apply for training contracts. I'll be honest, I did leave it too late. I was wondering if I can lie a bit in the application and how serious it is. I know I shouldn't lie and integrity etc.
But I mean I feel like I don't have enough experience to really make a good case for myself. Like I'm not saying lying about grades but for example any extra curricular activities or maybe mentioning how l entreated insight schemes.
Which I have but I feel like it's still not enough. Like can I not exaggerate a bit? Ofc I won't be lying about my work experience but maybe talk about how I attended events etc which I haven't but I mean, I got the skills and knowledge toh.
I know we shouldn't lie but being realistic l'm sure everyone lied on their CV etc.
Can someone pls help me who also been applying for training contracts and how likely they are to finding out and overall process and any other tips for me.

What you refer to as lying a bit is what the law calls committing fraudulent misrepresentation. Any contract obtained by lying could be rescinded. You ought to know this.

It may be that you lack the character needed to be a lawyer. Perhaps choose another career.
(edited 10 months ago)

Reply 2

Original post
by ToGodly
I'm a final year law argument trying to apply for training contracts. I'll be honest, I did leave it too late. I was wondering if I can lie a bit in the application and how serious it is. I know I shouldn't lie and integrity etc.
But I mean I feel like I don't have enough experience to really make a good case for myself. Like I'm not saying lying about grades but for example any extra curricular activities or maybe mentioning how l entreated insight schemes.
Which I have but I feel like it's still not enough. Like can I not exaggerate a bit? Ofc I won't be lying about my work experience but maybe talk about how I attended events etc which I haven't but I mean, I got the skills and knowledge toh.
I know we shouldn't lie but being realistic l'm sure everyone lied on their CV etc.
Can someone pls help me who also been applying for training contracts and how likely they are to finding out and overall process and any other tips for me.

My tip for you would be to look for another career or seriously reconsider your value code. As it stands, your integrity is seriously compromised.

Reply 3

"Integrity etc". If integrity is just a word to you then what would stop you lying to a client, lying to another lawyer, or lying to a Judge?

Reply 4

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by Stiffy Byng
"Integrity etc". If integrity is just a word to you then what would stop you lying to a client, lying to another lawyer, or lying to a Judge?


That’s not what I meant lol. I said integrity because I’m trying to tell I’m that aware of what’s required from me. However sometimes if it’s a lie which is not putting anyone at risk or there serious consequences, then what’s wrong with it, if it’s just gonna benefit me. And this is why I’m asking this questions because I know how important it is to be honest, which I’m going to be in my application and BECAUSE of that I was saying if I can lie a bit in situations like for example extra curricular activities, like playing sports for example. Idk how much harm would that do to my overall application, if it’s just a “small lie” compared to lying about my work experience or grades which ofc would have bigger impact on my overall outcome of the application.

And this is exactly the reason I asked, if it’s okay to lie on “less” important parts to boost my application. Because I wanted to see how far they would go to check.

And also I said “being realistic” I know the career I’m choosing and SRA etc. but everyone exaggerates a bit in their CV etc.

Now this was me just being transparent here, some people don’t wanna admit that’s different. But at some point how the job market is, and how competitive it is, you have to sometimes find ways to boost your chances while being honest ofc. I don’t think me saying I do sports outside uni, would get me a training contract lol, ofc it all counts towards the decision but it’s not that of a significant factor, and therefore I was still asking if I can lie about this stuff. Which again lying overall is wrong no matter if it’s professional or personal life. But I’m talking about getting a job here and you have to sometimes create your chances as nothing comes easy, especially when you know, you do possess the skills and qualities they are looking for.

It’s like saying when you go apply for a job and they say you need experience, how you gonna get experincr if no one gives you a job lol. While knowing you do have the qualities for that role. But just need an opportunity, so in order to create that opportunity, you might lie saying you do have past experience. Now this was just an example, but I hope you get my point.

And I completely resonate with your comment but would have appreciated if you could maybe give it a thought from my perspective.

Reply 5

All that weaselly verbiage doesn't excuse you. Please stay away from the legal profession.

Reply 6

Original post
by ToGodly
That’s not what I meant lol. I said integrity because I’m trying to tell I’m that aware of what’s required from me. However sometimes if it’s a lie which is not putting anyone at risk or there serious consequences, then what’s wrong with it, if it’s just gonna benefit me. And this is why I’m asking this questions because I know how important it is to be honest, which I’m going to be in my application and BECAUSE of that I was saying if I can lie a bit in situations like for example extra curricular activities, like playing sports for example. Idk how much harm would that do to my overall application, if it’s just a “small lie” compared to lying about my work experience or grades which ofc would have bigger impact on my overall outcome of the application.
And this is exactly the reason I asked, if it’s okay to lie on “less” important parts to boost my application. Because I wanted to see how far they would go to check.
And also I said “being realistic” I know the career I’m choosing and SRA etc. but everyone exaggerates a bit in their CV etc.
Now this was me just being transparent here, some people don’t wanna admit that’s different. But at some point how the job market is, and how competitive it is, you have to sometimes find ways to boost your chances while being honest ofc. I don’t think me saying I do sports outside uni, would get me a training contract lol, ofc it all counts towards the decision but it’s not that of a significant factor, and therefore I was still asking if I can lie about this stuff. Which again lying overall is wrong no matter if it’s professional or personal life. But I’m talking about getting a job here and you have to sometimes create your chances as nothing comes easy, especially when you know, you do possess the skills and qualities they are looking for.
It’s like saying when you go apply for a job and they say you need experience, how you gonna get experincr if no one gives you a job lol. While knowing you do have the qualities for that role. But just need an opportunity, so in order to create that opportunity, you might lie saying you do have past experience. Now this was just an example, but I hope you get my point.
And I completely resonate with your comment but would have appreciated if you could maybe give it a thought from my perspective.

You identified that you had been late to the process of applying for Training Contracts and that your CV was a bit flimsy on the experience front. The very best way to address that is to delay applying for TCs and in the meantime seek to gain those experiences. If you are good enough you will get those opportunities and if you are not you won't. That said, there are lots of ways to distinguish yourself which need not necessarily be related to the legal world. Don't cheat.

Reply 7

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by Stiffy Byng
All that weaselly verbiage doesn't excuse you. Please stay away from the legal profession.


I’m aware of my actions that’s why I came here and asked to clarify if it’s okay. Otherwise I would have just done it before taking second thoughts. I’m technically asking for guidance because as I said I’m late to applying training contracts so I’m just trying to find ways to stand out in my application. And I do know if I get caught, the consequences are severe. So as “last hope” I just came here in “desperation” to get some motivation lol or idk to hear a “yes”!

Reply 8

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by ToGodly
I’m aware of my actions that’s why I came here and asked to clarify if it’s okay. Otherwise I would have just done it before taking second thoughts. I’m technically asking for guidance because as I said I’m late to applying training contracts so I’m just trying to find ways to stand out in my application. And I do know if I get caught, the consequences are severe. So as “last hope” I just came here in “desperation” to get some motivation lol or idk to hear a “yes”!


I get your point but again when you say “gain those experiences” are just minor experiences. Like I don’t think it’s a smart move to delay tcs so I can go play sports or do other extra curricular activities, they are not that of a importance where I should just stop applying tcs. I’m being honest in my application that’s why I was trying to find ways in different sections on how to boost my application where it won’t be a big of a deal.

Reply 9

Original post
by ToGodly
I get your point but again when you say “gain those experiences” are just minor experiences. Like I don’t think it’s a smart move to delay tcs so I can go play sports or do other extra curricular activities, they are not that of a importance where I should just stop applying tcs. I’m being honest in my application that’s why I was trying to find ways in different sections on how to boost my application where it won’t be a big of a deal.

A few points:

You know it's wrong, that much is apparent from your posts. Don't start your legal career with your moral compass pointing in the wrong direction.

This isn't a victimless crime: if you get a TC, as a result of your "embellishments", then you deprive someone arguably more deserving. You might not give a monkey's about that, but it does have consequences for others

I told a fib on one of my TC applications forms 30yrs ago, and I got caught out at interview. Let's just say that it was an excruciating experience. Whilst you may assume no-one will find out, these things have a nasty way of coming back to bite you. I had mentioned I was involved in the law faculty newsletter, albeit in a minor way, only to find out that they had interviewed someone else from my faculty the day before and our stories didn't match. Let's just say I learned a pretty important life lesson that day.

If you lie about something more substantive, and you're subsequently caught and your TC is terminated, then your career is toast. No-one will touch you.


It's one thing to "big up" experience you already have, quite another to fabricate involvement in sports, work experience and the like. To reference the (apparently) misattributed quote of CS Lewis "Integrity is doing the right thing even when no-one is watching".

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