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International Women's Day... What's your story?

Hi all,

It's International Women's day today. In order to mark it, I thought it might be nice to pay tribute to some of the great women who have inspired us or made a great achievement or a difference. It can be big or small... anyone from someone very famous and renowned throughout history, right the way down to your own mother or sister (if you feel they've done something exceptional).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Women's_Day

I would like to pay tribute to two women who have really helped shape society today. What's remarkable is that they both come from humble backgrounds (i.e. regular people of working class backgrounds), but the murders of their children have inspired them to dedicate their lives to making great changes in people attitudes and even law changes that still stand today. I'll keep their stories brief, but I'll try and include the main points.

Baroness Doreen Lawrence:- Some of you may know that her son Stephen Lawrence (a 17 year old A level student who wanted to study Architecture) was murdered by 5 people in an unprovoked racist attack. Following this, she dedicated her life to seeking justice for the murder, and in doing this she and her supporters uncovered many fallings by the police investigation, and this has led to a number of changes in the way police forces operate. Furthermore, her work can also be credited with making it socially unacceptable to be openly racist. At the time, I wouldn't go as far as saying that it was OK to be racist, but it was accepted that some people were. There were other racist murders at the time (e.g. Roland Adams & Rrohit Duggal), but they didn't achieve anywhere near the same level of public awareness. Following some bungled trials of the accused, The Daily Mail tried to force a re-trial by publishing the accused photos and said "These people are racist murderers. If we're wrong, let them sue us". They didn't respond at all, and (IMHO) that speaks for itself. Although there were 5 people present that night, only two of them were ever convicted (some 20 years later, following Doreen's campaign).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Stephen_Lawrence#:~:text=On%2014%20February%201997%2C%20the,Acourt%2C%20Knight%2C%20and%20Norris.

Sara Payne:- In the summer of 2000, her 8 year old daughter was out playing with her siblings, when she was abducted and murdered by a convicted paedophile; although this wasn't publicly known until AFTER his conviction. Her body was missing for over two weeks, and in that time everyone was hoping she would turn up alive and well. Following her discovery, this led to pubic outrage and The tabloid newspaper The News Of The World, started publishing the photographs and details of convicted child sex-offenders, which led to anger and "Mob-Rule" where many of the sex-offenders were badly beaten up. Although this is not really acceptable behaviour in society (as aberrant and disgusting these offences are, the law does state that once someone has served their sentence they should be allowed a new start), it did force the government at the time to address the issue. This ultimately resulted in something called Sarah's Law, which allows people to check ANYONE who works with children for child sexual offences.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sarah_Payne

I would also like to give a quick mention to Rosa Parks, when in 1955 she was a black passenger on a bus in the USA, and refused to give up her seat for a white male and this kick-started the whole civil rights movement. Moreover, this demonstrates the power of the Snowball effect; pretty much everything from the likes of Martin Luther King and Malcom X and other movements from the 1960's

So yeah, those are my contributions to this day, I'd be interested to hear what women inspired you or those who you admire :smile:

Reply 1

Three very good choices. Despite all three being law adjacent in many ways, as a lawyer I'm going to highlight Brenda Hale, otherwise known as Baroness Hale of Richmond. One of those rare judges that is sufficiently famous that many non lawyers will at least know her name. Her headline achievement is being the first woman to sit as the President of the Supreme Court, but she was also the second ever woman to be a judge of the Court of Appeal, and the first woman to be appointed as a Law Lord (a judge who sits in the House of Lords). But outside of those headline roles, she is considered to be one of the best and most prominent judges of her generation, which is made all the more remarkable by the fact that she was an academic lawyer, and therefore had a really unconventional path to the judiciary in the first place. You can obviously read about her on her Wikipedia page, but I'd also recommend her biography, Spider-Woman, which was named due to her becoming well known for wearing a spider broach when she delivered the Supreme Court's judgment in Miller 2 regarding Boris Johnson's decision to prorogue Parliament (also the reason why many non lawyers will know her name).

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by Crazy Jamie
Three very good choices. Despite all three being law adjacent in many ways, as a lawyer I'm going to highlight Brenda Hale, otherwise known as Baroness Hale of Richmond. One of those rare judges that is sufficiently famous that many non lawyers will at least know her name. Her headline achievement is being the first woman to sit as the President of the Supreme Court, but she was also the second ever woman to be a judge of the Court of Appeal, and the first woman to be appointed as a Law Lord (a judge who sits in the House of Lords). But outside of those headline roles, she is considered to be one of the best and most prominent judges of her generation, which is made all the more remarkable by the fact that she was an academic lawyer, and therefore had a really unconventional path to the judiciary in the first place. You can obviously read about her on her Wikipedia page, but I'd also recommend her biography, Spider-Woman, which was named due to her becoming well known for wearing a spider broach when she delivered the Supreme Court's judgment in Miller 2 regarding Boris Johnson's decision to prorogue Parliament (also the reason why many non lawyers will know her name).

Impressive achievements... shows what is possible if you're determined and passionate about something (the first woman to be appointed in the house of lords... good stuff).

I also think it's worth mentioning the late singer Mary Isobel Catherine Bernadette O'Brien (better known as Dusty Springfield). Her music is well known (songs like 'Son of a Preacher man' and 'I only want to be with you'), and an icon of the "swinging 60's" era). What's less well known is some of her inadvertent political stance (it's not even mentioned on her Wikipedia page).

In 1964, she was on a musical tour in South Africa, which at the time operated an Apartheid policy (basically White Privilege on Steroids / crack). She had agreed to do the tour, on the grounds that she would play to racially mixed audiences... I think her words were along the lines of "If people like my music, they should be allowed to enjoy it; regardless of their colour". The South African authorities tried to force / bully her into playing to white only audiences, but she stood firmly by her principles (N.B. It may not seem like that big a deal nowadays, but you have to remember the times... and for a white female person to take this sort of stance was a big deal). This got her tour cancelled, she was arrested and later deported.

Although many people have said this, I have to say Big Respect and Much Love for Dusty for making such a stance. 👊

https://www.thehomestyledirectory.com/a/dusty-springfield-2/

@Crazy Jamie If you feel this post would be better suited in another area of the board, feel free to move it.
(edited 10 months ago)

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by Old Skool Freak
@Crazy Jamie If you feel this post would be better suited in another area of the board, feel free to move it.


Yeah probably won't gain the most traction in Relationships. I've moved it to News and Current Affairs. See if it gets a few more replies here.

Reply 4

Maryam Mirzakhani who is the first woman to win Math’s Nobel Prize - the Fields Medal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryam_Mirzakhani

Reply 5

Anyone who has actually met Doreen Lawerence wouldn't be heaping praise on her like this.

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by Trinculo
Anyone who has actually met Doreen Lawerence wouldn't be heaping praise on her like this.

Bit of a strange comment. Mainly because I don't think anyone in this thread would be likely at all to have met the people they're talking about, but also because even if they had, individual interactions with a person aren't necessarily going to give you much insight into their character, nor do those insights, even if they are correct, necessarily undermine their other work or achievements. You obviously have met her, though, so to the extent that it is relevant, what is your experience?

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by Trinculo
Anyone who has actually met Doreen Lawerence wouldn't be heaping praise on her like this.

Bit of a strange comment. Mainly because I don't think anyone in this thread would be likely at all to have met the people they're talking about, but also because even if they had, individual interactions with a person aren't necessarily going to give you much insight into their character, nor do those insights, even if they are correct, necessarily undermine their other work or achievements. You obviously have met her, though, so to the extent that it is relevant, what is your experience?

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by Crazy Jamie
Bit of a strange comment. Mainly because I don't think anyone in this thread would be likely at all to have met the people they're talking about, but also because even if they had, individual interactions with a person aren't necessarily going to give you much insight into their character, nor do those insights, even if they are correct, necessarily undermine their other work or achievements. You obviously have met her, though, so to the extent that it is relevant, what is your experience?

I have met her twice and on both occasions she was angry, rude, judgemental and dismissive. On the first occassion she seemed intoxicated with her own status. She appeared (to me) to have no concept of the implications of her behaviour and very much had become a Tomas de Torquemada type figure.

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by Trinculo
I have met her twice and on both occasions she was angry, rude, judgemental and dismissive. On the first occassion she seemed intoxicated with her own status. She appeared (to me) to have no concept of the implications of her behaviour and very much had become a Tomas de Torquemada type figure.

And these two occasions on which she was rude to you are, in your view, sufficiently serious to undermine her other life work and achievements to the extent that people should not praise her to any significant degree and/or mention her in a thread such as this?

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by Crazy Jamie
And these two occasions on which she was rude to you are, in your view, sufficiently serious to undermine her other life work and achievements to the extent that people should not praise her to any significant degree and/or mention her in a thread such as this?

My personal experience of her is that she should not command the authority that she does by mission of her personal tragedy; and that her work is counterproductive to the values that she espouses.

Reply 11

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by Trinculo
My personal experience of her is that she should not command the authority that she does by mission of her personal tragedy; and that her work is counterproductive to the values that she espouses.

I see. I'll avoid making the obvious point and instead go in a different direction. Who would you put in this thread?

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by Trinculo
My personal experience of her is that she should not command the authority that she does by mission of her personal tragedy; and that her work is counterproductive to the values that she espouses.

That's fair enough... if you have met her, and those were your honest impressions, you're entitled to your say / opinion.

However, this thread isn't about one person, it's supposed to be about women who have achieved great things (or those you do admire). Therefore, to try and keep a positive twist on this thread, I would be genuinely interested to whom you feel deserves a mention.

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by Crazy Jamie
I see. I'll avoid making the obvious point and instead go in a different direction. Who would you put in this thread?

No woman needs to be patronised by me giving her a special mention, and half of our population does a perfectly good job of letting their actions speak for themselves without my endorsement.

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by Old Skool Freak
That's fair enough... if you have met her, and those were your honest impressions, you're entitled to your say / opinion.
However, this thread isn't about one person, it's supposed to be about women who have achieved great things (or those you do admire). Therefore, to try and keep a positive twist on this thread, I would be genuinely interested to whom you feel deserves a mention.

As above. I reject the notion that on IWD it is for me to say who I think "deserves" a mention.

What I would do is to look to the example of another person whom I've met (whose character and moral fibre easily eclipses that of Baroness Lawrence of Clarendon) and that would be Liz McConaghy. 12 tours of Iraq and Afghanistan and on IWD she chose to highlight her mum.

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by Trinculo
No woman needs to be patronised by me giving her a special mention, and half of our population does a perfectly good job of letting their actions speak for themselves without my endorsement.

This was supposed more about bringing awareness, rather than being "patronising" per se (and TBH, I'm disappointed you saw it like that). For example, not many people may have known about the Dusty Springfield thing I mentioned. Nonetheless, if you don't wish to participate then that's your choice.

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by Trinculo
As above. I reject the notion that on IWD it is for me to say who I think "deserves" a mention.
What I would do is to look to the example of another person whom I've met (whose character and moral fibre easily eclipses that of Baroness Lawrence of Clarendon) and that would be Liz McConaghy. 12 tours of Iraq and Afghanistan and on IWD she chose to highlight her mum.

I suspect this is as good as a response as we're ever going to get from you on this matter, so I suggest we just leave it at that.

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