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How does the Scottish system work

So currently I'm in yr 11 and gcses are in less than 2 months from now and I'll be moving to scotland- namely glasgow right after I'm done and I'm really confused with how the system works.

From what I understand i would be doing highers then I could either work or do advanced highers then go uni but I'm not sure what happens with my gcses now like usally here in England I would be applying to sixth forms and therefore would need my grades-but what happens to my grades when I move cos I heard you don't move to a college after gcse equivalent there(national 5s i think) so would i just be joining a school mid yr? Or do students also usally transfer schools for highers ect- also howmany subjects do u take and would I be really behind?

If anyone knows and could pls help cos rn I'm just soo lost and concerned about what I'm gonna be doing since my original plan of A levels is out the window and I'm changing to a completely different enviroment

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Reply 1

A typical Scottish high school has 6 years ( S1 to S6) people do their Nat 5s in S4 which can range from 6 to 8, but u don’t have to really worry about this as u would have done ur GCSEs and will be going to S5.

In S5 students typically do 5 highers, and aim to get really good marks because Scottish unis don’t really care about advanced highers which u would do in S6.

A way of checking if ur going to be behind is to look at the nat5 course contents for the subjects ur thinking of picking for highers because they usually build upon it.

Also you will be joining a school mid year because students don’t move schools for highers.

Reply 2

Hello, hello. Linking my GYG thread not as a shameless plug but because I have a section of the original post explaining the Scottish school system and how it works. Hopefully that helps!

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7556425&p=100422320&page=1

Reply 3

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by The5ws
A typical Scottish high school has 6 years ( S1 to S6) people do their Nat 5s in S4 which can range from 6 to 8, but u don’t have to really worry about this as u would have done ur GCSEs and will be going to S5.
In S5 students typically do 5 highers, and aim to get really good marks because Scottish unis don’t really care about advanced highers which u would do in S6.
A way of checking if ur going to be behind is to look at the nat5 course contents for the subjects ur thinking of picking for highers because they usually build upon it.
Also you will be joining a school mid year because students don’t move schools for highers.

Ahh that's acc such a killer that I'll be joining mid yr😭 i was hoping that if it's like here then everyone's new but oh well ig thx smm for kinda clearing things up I think I will go check rn abt the nat5 content thank u so much once againn😇😇😇

Reply 4

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by The5ws
A typical Scottish high school has 6 years ( S1 to S6) people do their Nat 5s in S4 which can range from 6 to 8, but u don’t have to really worry about this as u would have done ur GCSEs and will be going to S5.
In S5 students typically do 5 highers, and aim to get really good marks because Scottish unis don’t really care about advanced highers which u would do in S6.
A way of checking if ur going to be behind is to look at the nat5 course contents for the subjects ur thinking of picking for highers because they usually build upon it.
Also you will be joining a school mid year because students don’t move schools for highers.

Wait also if Scottish unis don't rlly care abt advanced highers then why do people take them what's their point? And if you choose to not do them then what do u do is it straight to work or gap yr ?

Reply 5

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by OnlySmartOneHere
Hello, hello. Linking my GYG thread not as a shameless plug but because I have a section of the original post explaining the Scottish school system and how it works. Hopefully that helps!
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=7556425&p=100422320&page=1

Thank you soo much for that it was indeed very helpful and informative so yh a very useful source for a lost case like me lol. But I have a question regarding advanced highers- since u and the other person who replied to my question have both mentioned, Scottish unis don't rlly look at your advanced highers so I'm trying to understand what's the point of them then and why do people take them? Is it typically only people who are planning to go uni in England who do them- since u mentioned that's what unis in England look at. Also I've heard that if u do well in the AH then u can skip yr 1 of uni so does that mean if u fail u could still go on to do it in uni and you've basically gotten a bit of a headstart to the course in uni?

P.s Sorry ik I'm asking quite alot of questions but I'm just trying to familiarise myself with how it's going to be so I don't look kinda dumb and clueless when I go 😅

Reply 6

You should contact the school you will be moving to now (most likely your catchment school) even though you won’t be able to apply until you have moved. You will need to ensure they have spaces in your chosen Highers (of which you will do five). You probably miss about four to six weeks of your higher courses as Nat 5 exams take place about a month earlier than GCSEs and you start S5 once the exams are over before the summer holidays (which also start earlier). So you might want to do some catching up over the summer. School starts back around third week in August.

You can apply to Scottish universities straight from S5 - lots of students do each year. S6 is really only obligatory if you want to apply to England or you are studying medicine or dentistry. Scottish Universities are used to having 17 year olds (and checking your age at the union bar). As Scottish universities base their offers on highers a lot of S6 applicants get unconditionals and this can be really demotivating for them studying their Advanced Highers.

Reply 7

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by Gear5
Thank you soo much for that it was indeed very helpful and informative so yh a very useful source for a lost case like me lol. But I have a question regarding advanced highers- since u and the other person who replied to my question have both mentioned, Scottish unis don't rlly look at your advanced highers so I'm trying to understand what's the point of them then and why do people take them? Is it typically only people who are planning to go uni in England who do them- since u mentioned that's what unis in England look at. Also I've heard that if u do well in the AH then u can skip yr 1 of uni so does that mean if u fail u could still go on to do it in uni and you've basically gotten a bit of a headstart to the course in uni?
P.s Sorry ik I'm asking quite alot of questions but I'm just trying to familiarise myself with how it's going to be so I don't look kinda dumb and clueless when I go 😅

Glad you found it helpful! I tend to yap on a bit but I'm happy that you found it worth reading, haha.

There isn't really much point in AHs unless you're going into a course like medicine or vet med in terms of being required to have them. The biggest use of AHs, in my opinion, is the second year entry you can get to some courses if you have them. I was looking at a Quantum Physics degree at St Andrews University and you could skip first year and get right into second year if you had AH Physics and Maths or something. I guess it might also make you look better if you were applying for a competitive course and your AHs were in a relevant area, but I'm not 100% sure about that (having actual experience might do you more good than an AH in that circumstance).

Some universities recommend that you have them depending on the course (e.g. I was looking at a mathematics degree at Uni of Edinburgh I think and they recommended you at AH Maths if you want to do the course) but, at the end of the day, they are still not required. As they are set at first year university level, some of the content you cover in your AH could be covered in one of your first year uni modules which would obviously give you that extra boost/head start into that area. That means that, yes, if you failed an AH but still had strong Highers then you could go to university but failing a subject never looks good so, even if it is an AH and not part of entry reqs, it's something you obviously want to avoid.

For your other question about what you'd do if you didn't take AHs, S6 in Scotland (which is when you'd do AHs) isn't mandatory so you can leave to work, take a gap year or apply to college or university (since you typically sit Highers in S5, you can apply to uni in S5 and get conditional offers).
But you can choose to stay on and do AHs, more Highers or more Nat5s. Some schools offer other courses (e.g. my school has NPAs which are other qualifications at the same level as Nat5s/Highers/etc depending on what level you do except you don't have to sit an exam). From what I know, it's not as rigid as the English schooling system where you do GCSEs and then go to Sixth form to do A-levels and that's it. You're not restricted to doing a qualification at a specific level regardless of what year your in (e.g. S5s are not only restricted to Highers, S6s are not only restricted to AHs) so you can mix and match. That also means if you don't pick a Higher which you need for x uni course you want to do in S5 then you can just do it in S6 instead.

Funny how I reference the fact that I yap on in the beginning and then proceed to yap on, haha. I hope this answers your questions. If you have anything else you want to know/I haven't explained something very well then just say and I'd be happy to help!
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Reply 8

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by Gear5
Wait also if Scottish unis don't rlly care abt advanced highers then why do people take them what's their point? And if you choose to not do them then what do u do is it straight to work or gap yr ?

Their are 3 main reason people take advanced highers.

1) People applying for unis outside of Scotland need advanced highers

2) It’s highly recommended to take relavant advanced highers for the course you will do at uni as it would make the first year of uni a lot easier.

3) Scottish students wanting to do medicine, vet, or in a related field need to have done advanced highers for Scottish unis.

If you don’t want to take advanced highers you could do more highers or apply to uni in s5( Second last year of highschool) and go to uni depending on ur grades.

Reply 9

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by OnlySmartOneHere
Glad you found it helpful! I tend to yap on a bit but I'm happy that you found it worth reading, haha.
There isn't really much point in AHs unless you're going into a course like medicine or vet med in terms of being required to have them. The biggest use of AHs, in my opinion, is the second year entry you can get to some courses if you have them. I was looking at a Quantum Physics degree at St Andrews University and you could skip first year and get right into second year if you had AH Physics and Maths or something. I guess it might also make you look better if you were applying for a competitive course and your AHs were in a relevant area, but I'm not 100% sure about that (having actual experience might do you more good than an AH in that circumstance).
Some universities recommend that you have them depending on the course (e.g. I was looking at a mathematics degree at Uni of Edinburgh I think and they recommended you at AH Maths if you want to do the course) but, at the end of the day, they are still not required. As they are set at first year university level, some of the content you cover in your AH could be covered in one of your first year uni modules which would obviously give you that extra boost/head start into that area. That means that, yes, if you failed an AH but still had strong Highers then you could go to university but failing a subject never looks good so, even if it is an AH and not part of entry reqs, it's something you obviously want to avoid.
For your other question about what you'd do if you didn't take AHs, S6 in Scotland (which is when you'd do AHs) isn't mandatory so you can leave to work, take a gap year or apply to college or university (since you typically sit Highers in S5, you can apply to uni in S5 and get conditional offers).
But you can choose to stay on and do AHs, more Highers or more Nat5s. Some schools offer other courses (e.g. my school has NPAs which are other qualifications at the same level as Nat5s/Highers/etc depending on what level you do except you don't have to sit an exam). From what I know, it's not as rigid as the English schooling system where you do GCSEs and then go to Sixth form to do A-levels and that's it. You're not restricted to doing a qualification at a specific level regardless of what year your in (e.g. S5s are not only restricted to Highers, S6s are not only restricted to AHs) so you can mix and match. That also means if you don't pick a Higher which you need for x uni course you want to do in S5 then you can just do it in S6 instead.
Funny how I reference the fact that I yap on in the beginning and then proceed to yap on, haha. I hope this answers your questions. If you have anything else you want to know/I haven't explained something very well then just say and I'd be happy to help!

Dw I'm a big yapper too lool but my yapping isint as helpful but yh thanks again for that.

I also had another question that kinda popped into my head today right- since rn in England many people are going to many different interviews with different sixth forms I was wondering cos obviously to take A levels subjects there are minimum requirements of the gcse grades needed to take the subject and these minimum grades vary depending on the sixth forms ur applying to.

So I wanted to know is this a thing in Scotland too- where in order to take certain Highers u needed to have taken those subjects for ur nat5 and gotten a minimum grade in order to do the Highers u wanted- and if so then what happens to my gcse grades? Do they translate them into an equivalent or something?

Also a different question- would I be able to just join any school, since as I mentioned here in England u have to be accepted into 6th forms and a big part of that is if u got the grades required for the Alevel subjects but since u don't move schools for highers then there's none of this interview stuff but a minimum grade is still required?

honestly thank you SOO much tho you've been such a great help! And srry for asking soo many questions but tbh It's rlly hard to find any videos that explain it thoroughly or atleast in my situation- like u see so many videos and vlogs from gcse students- like a day in the life of.. but then searching for these types of videos but Scottish ppl doing S5/6 it's like they r non existent so yh thx againn

Reply 10

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by The5ws
Their are 3 main reason people take advanced highers.
1) People applying for unis outside of Scotland need advanced highers
2) It’s highly recommended to take relavant advanced highers for the course you will do at uni as it would make the first year of uni a lot easier.
3) Scottish students wanting to do medicine, vet, or in a related field need to have done advanced highers for Scottish unis.
If you don’t want to take advanced highers you could do more highers or apply to uni in s5( Second last year of highschool) and go to uni depending on ur grades.

Thank you!

Reply 11

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by Gear5
Dw I'm a big yapper too lool but my yapping isint as helpful but yh thanks again for that.
I also had another question that kinda popped into my head today right- since rn in England many people are going to many different interviews with different sixth forms I was wondering cos obviously to take A levels subjects there are minimum requirements of the gcse grades needed to take the subject and these minimum grades vary depending on the sixth forms ur applying to.
So I wanted to know is this a thing in Scotland too- where in order to take certain Highers u needed to have taken those subjects for ur nat5 and gotten a minimum grade in order to do the Highers u wanted- and if so then what happens to my gcse grades? Do they translate them into an equivalent or something?
Also a different question- would I be able to just join any school, since as I mentioned here in England u have to be accepted into 6th forms and a big part of that is if u got the grades required for the Alevel subjects but since u don't move schools for highers then there's none of this interview stuff but a minimum grade is still required?
honestly thank you SOO much tho you've been such a great help! And srry for asking soo many questions but tbh It's rlly hard to find any videos that explain it thoroughly or atleast in my situation- like u see so many videos and vlogs from gcse students- like a day in the life of.. but then searching for these types of videos but Scottish ppl doing S5/6 it's like they r non existent so yh thx againn

Typically you have to have gotten an A or a B in the same subject at Nat5 to be allowed to do it at Higher (e.g. as I passed Nat5 Maths with an A I was allowed to go on and do it at Higher). For my school, when choosing subjects for next year we have to get our course choice forms signed by a teacher. Getting them signed is basically that teacher saying 'Yeah, I think you could do this subject at a tricker level'. I'm not sure how other schools do it though. But an A or a B at the level below is the standard requirement to move onto the next level. I'd expect your GCSE grades would just be made into our equivalent to do this (I think it would be 9s and 8s are As, 7s and 6s are Bs, etc, etc, but don't quote me on that).

You're right with the not moving school stuff. We just stay on at the one school until we decide to leave high school or reach the end of it, which is what you would most likely do too. The school you'd go to would most likely just be the local high school/the one you're in the catchment area of unless your parents decided to get you enrolled elsewhere at their choice.

You're welcome! I'm glad to help. The lack of Scottish related high school/exam content is definitely a pet peeve of mine but it's to be expected considering how small the Scottish population is compared to England.

Reply 12

16 year olds can make a placing request for a non-catchment school, not just their parents; you are considered an adult for more things at 16 in Scotland than the England. You actually have no right to start at a school at 16, only to stay on at one you already attend, though I have never heard that to be an issue.

Reply 13

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by OnlySmartOneHere
Typically you have to have gotten an A or a B in the same subject at Nat5 to be allowed to do it at Higher (e.g. as I passed Nat5 Maths with an A I was allowed to go on and do it at Higher). For my school, when choosing subjects for next year we have to get our course choice forms signed by a teacher. Getting them signed is basically that teacher saying 'Yeah, I think you could do this subject at a tricker level'. I'm not sure how other schools do it though. But an A or a B at the level below is the standard requirement to move onto the next level. I'd expect your GCSE grades would just be made into our equivalent to do this (I think it would be 9s and 8s are As, 7s and 6s are Bs, etc, etc, but don't quote me on that).
You're right with the not moving school stuff. We just stay on at the one school until we decide to leave high school or reach the end of it, which is what you would most likely do too. The school you'd go to would most likely just be the local high school/the one you're in the catchment area of unless your parents decided to get you enrolled elsewhere at their choice.
You're welcome! I'm glad to help. The lack of Scottish related high school/exam content is definitely a pet peeve of mine but it's to be expected considering how small the Scottish population is compared to England.

Thanks sm again! and yh tbh before knowing I was moving to Scotland I knew nothing whatsoever about it or anything on how their schooling works i kinda just assumed that all of the UK did gcses but ig now it makes sense why I always hear about gcse results in England and Wales but never scotland

Can't lie I'm dreading the move- and it's not cos of the country or anything- I've heard plenty abt how nice it is and the ppl are but it's mainly cos I hate change, i will have to leave behind all my friends and family (tho not worrying too much abt friends part since we were gonna go different schools anyway) and it's such a drag to now switch education systems at this point and change my plans and getting used to the accenttttt will be rough(ik some of the accents are quite strong not all tho but yh) and also like joining in the last yr when everyone alr knows each other being the new person who probably won't be approached cos again everyone's alr in their own circles AHHH it's just too much change but watever better get comfortable with the uncomfortable sooner than later ig

one last thing I heard something that made me doubt my self so I'm double checking -S5 equivalent to yr 12 right or is that S6 which in that case I got them mixed and ig i would be doing AH

Reply 14

Nat 5s are taken in S4 and this is the equivalent of your GCSE year. Highers in S5 and AH in S6. You might hear of pupils taking these exams earlier or later but these are the year groups when the vast majority of the cohort take these exams. Age wise the year groups are out of synch with English schools at the cut-off between years is the end of February rather than the end of August. So those in S5 will be between 15 and a half and 16 and a half in September (a few might be a couple of months older as you can defer starting primary school if young in your year). This means it is possible to start university after S5 at just 16 and a half, and lots start university age 17.

In terms of anxiety about the move - that is totally normal and to be expected. I would maybe step a bit outside your comfort zone when you arrive and be a bit more extrovert to try and get to know people - but not too much as ultimately you want people you are comfortable with.

Reply 15

If you have been living in Scotland for 3 years or more then the Scottish government will pay for your Uni fees as long as you go to university in Scotland so it might be financially worth taking a gap year. Good luck!

Reply 16

Omg this was literally me last year moving to Glasgow straight after my gcses dm me for any questions

Reply 17

You won't be joining midyear, you'll be joining at the start of a new school year, which will be fine

Reply 18

I think in order to get the most accurate information and answers to your questions, you should ask your parents to email them to your new school. However, I can provide some information.

S4 (National 5s) = Year 11 (GCSEs)

S5 (Highers) = Year 12 (A-levels/As-levels)

S6 (more Highers/Advanced Highers) = Year 13 (A-levels)

You will be going into S5. At the end of the academic year that you turn 16, you can leave school in Scotland, as long as you have further education (e.g., a uni offer or a college course), or work or an apprenticeship lined up. So if you turn 16 during S5, then you could leave at the end of S5 if you wanted to.

Highers are all you really need for entry to uni in Scotland unless you're interested in medicine or some science courses. If you still want to go to uni in England, then you'll probably need at least a couple of advanced highers.

You typically take 5 Highers in S5. However, you could take a mixture of Highers and National 5s, but I don't see why you'd need to do this because you'll have your GCSEs.

Advanced Highers are not the equivalent of A-levels, Highers are, but are taken in S6. Advanced Highers are the equivalent of the difficulty of the first year at uni, which means they are great in preparation. They also may be necessary if you still want to study in England.

If you're worried about being behind in your Highers, you could look at the national 5 content for them. But a lot of people do what is called 'crash highers', which means that they take a subject at higher that they studied at national 5. They still go on to do very well in these subjects at higher, so I have no doubt you can too.

I hope this helps, and if you have any more questions, feel free to ask me. 😊

Reply 19

Highers are not the equivalent of A levels. Advanced Highers are nearer the equivalent though a ‘B’ at AH has as many UCAS points as an ‘A’ at A level. AH are similar to the first year of a Scottish four-year degree; you can sometimes go straight into second year with AHs. This is the same with A levels where you can often go straight into second year in Scotland. The system in Scotland is set up to be able to go to Uni after Highers which is why Scottish degrees are a year longer than English ones.

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